Mr. WEO Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 7 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said: Sounds like he may be getting some bad advice. I would think at the least, it s better to have a lawyer call the Bills instead of using twitter... He's taking his cues from our Commander In Chief Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZBILLS Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Did he trademark his phrase? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Bobby Hooks said: Poor move. He should be using this 15 minutes to help elevate himself. The fact that the Bills themselves are using his video is free publicity. All he going to do is ruin his ties with the Bills and in turn ruin the relationship with the fans. No one, player, fan, etc... is bigger than the emblem on the side of the helmet. Fatal error. Sophie's Choice!...picture this: a human hanging by their fingers on the edge of a cliff, next to them the bills emblem. Your choice, but you can only save one of them. You let the human go, you are directly responsible for the death of a human, you save human, the Bills move to a different city and change the team name...think Burbank Showcase Showdowns What do you choose?? Edited December 27, 2019 by HardyBoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 (edited) 9 hours ago, Motorin' said: He's totally right. You can't use someone's voice and image in advertising without licensing those rights. He's going to get paid, and he should. That's how the world works. He used the Bills to get “famous”. Him and his buddy Gary can go suck an egg. Time for Bills fans to turn their back on the loudmouth, Marc Miller. Edited December 28, 2019 by Binghamton Beast 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 4 hours ago, Buffalo Junction said: Did he hire AB’s publicist? hes going to be a Saints fan now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 2 hours ago, The Senator said: I'm surprised the Bills used the clip. I don't think the guy has any legal or financial standing here, but I thought the Bills were heading in a classier direction, trying to reign in the table smashing and other foolish, drunken tailgating behavior. To use that clip as a ticket-sales promo is saying, "We approve of and condone some drunken turd-head getting all turd-faced and acting like a complete idiot." JMHO . Now people are going to be wearing Turd -Heads to stadium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 52 minutes ago, John in Jax said: Supposedly the guy does not drink, and was not drunk at the time. And I can buy that. Millions of sports fans don't need alcohol or drugs to act like this guy did. Also, you insulting him really doesn't say a lot for YOU. Supposedly? Or do you know the man? I suppose if I acted like that 27 years ago, I'd quit drinking too. And if I knew someone who acted like that without drinking, I'd advise seeking professional help. If that reflects poorly on me, so be it. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Motorin' said: You know what's funny, the name of the show Marc was featured on was called "George Michael's Sports Machine." I think Marc misspoke and called him Gary instead of George. And I'm personally interested in it because i work in advertising / video production. I see what people get paid to appear in ads, and I license video clips all the time... How much do you think the Bills paid their ad firm to produce that commercial? Im curious , how much would it cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 2 hours ago, The Senator said: Supposedly? Or do you know the man? I suppose if I acted like that 27 years ago, I'd quit drinking too. And if I knew someone who acted like that without drinking, I'd advise seeking professional help. If that reflects poorly on me, so be it. . Think he was just mimicking the wrestling style promos that were huge at that time (he's channeling his inner macho man) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 3 hours ago, John in Jax said: Possible answer: Most Bills' fans are dumb, just like most Bills' players are dumb? LOL I think even a dumb person could understand the concept. But a closed-minded person? It's one thing if they were using his likeness to promote a non-profit event and he was asking for money on Twitter. That's a bad look. But Resurgence and the Bills marketing arm? He gets a decent lawyer and that's the easiest settlement in the world. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 11 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said: Sounds like he may be getting some bad advice. I would think at the least, it s better to have a lawyer call the Bills instead of using twitter... Antonio Brown told him Twitter is the way to go, it works every time 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, The Senator said: I'm surprised the Bills used the clip. I don't think the guy has any legal or financial standing here, but I thought the Bills were heading in a classier direction, trying to reign in the table smashing and other foolish, drunken tailgating behavior. To use that clip as a ticket-sales promo is saying, "We approve of and condone some drunken turd-head getting all turd-faced and acting like a complete idiot." JMHO . Actually Marc Miller lost my respect when he said he didn't go to Bills games any more because the "atmosphere is too rowdy". What a ***** jackass to say that after what he is known for.? The dude clearly hasn't been to a Bills game in a long time if he thinks that. Back in the 90's it was a free-for-all. It's romper room in there now and in the tailgate scene in general. The little bit of table crashing gets a ton of pub but it's downright cordial in the lot's nowadays and if you are there you know it. Unfortunately the hero Marc is kind of a poser as a Bills fan..........resting comfortably on his couch a half hour away from the stadium when the team isn't going to SB's. Edited December 28, 2019 by BADOLBILZ 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I think that it all depends on whether the promotional advertising he’s referring to is “commercial.” Because if it isn’t, he has no case. Media outlets and websites have been using that video for decades and he’s never brought suit to any of them. I think he’ll try to say that this situation was different because it was advertising. Not sure if it will make a difference. He never should have called them out on Twitter 54 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said: Think he was just mimicking the wrestling style promos that were huge at that time (he's channeling his inner macho man) Nah that’s more like Legion of Doom than Macho Man. But yeah it’s definitely a wrestling promo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, Motorin' said: The video itself does, but unless he signed his rights away, he still owns the rights to his likeness and voice. I also don't get the animosity here. The Bills are a billion dollar company and used the guy in a commercial to sell a couple million dollars worth of tickets. Bills did their homework. This guy owns squat and should have taken a different a angle with the team if he wanted some coin. To coin a phrase, Marc is going down.... Edited December 28, 2019 by Green Lightning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Douche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 1 hour ago, ToGoGo said: I think even a dumb person could understand the concept. But a closed-minded person? It's one thing if they were using his likeness to promote a non-profit event and he was asking for money on Twitter. That's a bad look. But Resurgence and the Bills marketing arm? He gets a decent lawyer and that's the easiest settlement in the world. So like the Jills now we'll lose Marc? Get a grip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Actually Marc Miller lost my respect when he said he didn't go to Bills games any more because the "atmosphere is too rowdy". That was my thought when I heard him say that. Actually, the 90s were tame compared to the early-mid 80s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 55 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: So like the Jills now we'll lose Marc? Get a grip Someone translate this for me please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Like him or not, I am pretty sure you cannot use someone's likeness and voice in advertorial promotions without their consent. disclaimer: I am not a lawyer nor do I play one on television. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 12 minutes ago, ToGoGo said: Someone translate this for me please. It would appear that Mike in Horseheads is saying that the Jills also felt that they were being unfairly exploited by the Bills and sued to get their fair share, and are now gone forever, which makes him believe Marc will be gone next. (That’s the best I’ve got) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 11 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: It would appear that Mike in Horseheads is saying that the Jills also felt that they were being unfairly exploited by the Bills and sued to get their fair share, and are now gone forever, which makes him believe Marc will be gone next. (That’s the best I’ve got) Gotcha, thanks. From what I've read, the Jills were being exploited and rightfully spoke up after many years. Personally, I think the game experience could use hot cheerleaders, but maybe I'm just a small minority. As for Marc, I don't really care what happens. But I will stand up for his right to make money. I think using his likeness without his permission was a really shady move. And I thought it was weird how everyone instantly turned on him because he wanted to get paid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Worst thread in 6 months. This wld be boring even in the offseason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Give this guy $100k & lifetime season tickets. He is a local legend. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 White cat with screaming blonde woman is at least 100x the celebrity and I doubt that cat has seen as much as a freaking tuna and cheddar friskees cat treat for his troubles This guy was relevant for 5 minutes to about 20% of Bills fans. Come on man! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 35 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: Give this guy $100k & lifetime season tickets. He is a local legend. Great idea. What's stopping you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Just now, KD in CA said: Great idea. What's stopping you? Don't think he represents the billion dollar corporation that used Marc Miller's likeness to advertise their product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 15 hours ago, Motorin' said: He's totally right. You can't use someone's voice and image in advertising without licensing those rights. He's going to get paid, and he should. That's how the world works. No it isn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Just now, Boca BIlls said: No it isn't Wanna bet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Just now, Motorin' said: Wanna bet? No b.c you wouldn't pay me when I know I am right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: No b.c you wouldn't pay me when I know I am right. There's a chance you're right. But only if Marc signed away the rights to his likeness at the time of the original filming. A lot of news companies don't use rights waivers though bc they don't need rights to broadcast news. And while it's ok for news companies to license the footage they shoot to be used in other news stories and documentaries that are covered under fair use laws, advertising purposes don't fall under fair rights usage. So it's certainly within the realm of possibility that ABC (or whoever it was) licensed the footage to the Bills for a purpose they didn't have the right to license it for. You can dislike the way Marc Miller has handled the situation on Twitter, but I don't understand why people think the little guy has no rights and the billion dollar corporation is automatic the good guy. I'd be pissed if my face was all over the internet to advertise a product without my consent, even if it was my favorite product. And I think anybody should be pissed if that happened to them. I happen to believe that people should have a say in how their image is exploited. Edited December 28, 2019 by Motorin' 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 33 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Great idea. What's stopping you? Pegula net worth $5,000,000,000.00 My net worth $250,000.00 $100,000.00 / $5,000,000,000.00 = 0.00002 $250,000.00 x 0.00002 = $5.00 So I’ll kick in $5.00 & Pegula can kick in $99,995.00. Deal? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 22 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: Pegula net worth $5,000,000,000.00 My net worth $250,000.00 $100,000.00 / $5,000,000,000.00 = 0.00002 $250,000.00 x 0.00002 = $5.00 So I’ll kick in $5.00 & Pegula can kick in $99,995.00. Deal? Why in the world would anyone kick in $5.00 - or even $.05? Does anyone think that the guy that dresses like Elvis every game, or those guys that come dressed as chefs with Bills logos all over, get compensated every time the Bills use their likenesses in a commercial? I doubt it. There is likely some very fine print on the back of turdhead's Bills ticket that indemnifies the organization, the NFL, the networks, and any other stakeholders from situations like this, just as there is on a hockey or baseball ticket if you should get hit by a puck or a baseball. You wanna jump in front of a TV camera at an NFL event on stadium property and act like an idiot for a few moments, fine - but don't expect to be compensated for it. Again, JMHO . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 1 hour ago, The Senator said: Why in the world would anyone kick in $5.00 - or even $.05? Does anyone think that the guy that dresses like Elvis every game, or those guys that come dressed as chefs with Bills logos all over, get compensated every time the Bills use their likenesses in a commercial? I doubt it. There is likely some very fine print on the back of turdhead's Bills ticket that indemnifies the organization, the NFL, the networks, and any other stakeholders from situations like this, just as there is on a hockey or baseball ticket if you should get hit by a puck or a baseball. You wanna jump in front of a TV camera at an NFL event on stadium property and act like an idiot for a few moments, fine - but don't expect to be compensated for it. Again, JMHO . You might be right, if the original interview took place during a Bills game and was filmed by the Bills or the NFL. But probably not if it was a man on the street interview conducted by a news organization off premise and not during an NFL game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 13 hours ago, Motorin' said: You know what's funny, the name of the show Marc was featured on was called "George Michael's Sports Machine." The guy from Wham! had a sports show?! Who would have thunk it?! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 8 hours ago, CSBill said: Antonio Brown told him Twitter is the way to go, it works every time “60% of the time, it works every time.” ‘Anchorman’ Quoted, since I don’t want the Patent Police after me. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 20 hours ago, T master said: Can you say Turd ? The guy hasn't been thought of in over 20 yrs & they bring that video back & the first thing in todays modern way of thinking is SUE, I'm going to SUE you what a ? ! Couldn’t agree more !!! GOOO. BILLS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 7 hours ago, bbb said: That was my thought when I heard him say that. Actually, the 90s were tame compared to the early-mid 80s. Ain’t this the truth. May have been some games with 20k there, but damn we were there to have fun! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 He should hang out with the guy that sued the bills over too many text messages. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefan66 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 19 hours ago, CorkScrewHill said: Just curious .. did you pay the Bills for the icon you are using for this site. Did Pinto Ron get paid for the BillsMafia video NBC recently did? Nope .. there are limitations. This was a fans rant caught on video .. he needs to chill. He needs to do more than chill. Looks like an a**hole looking for a payout for a decades old ridiculous rant. If if for some reason he owns the rights, he is correct in asking for payment. Doubt very much he has the rights to the video, or the words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 all hail our corporate overlords. screw the common man trying to make a buck 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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