Adamb412 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 McDermott doesnt have a kill instinct and there was a part in the 4th quarter I forget when it was 4th and 1 I wanted them to go for it and McDermott opted for a punt 4 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Been an issue the entire year. McDermott has been an overall huge plus but how many consistently conservative coaches have been great in any sport? Seems like all the great ones have killer instincts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, Adamb412 said: McDermott doesnt have a kill instinct and there was a part in the 4th quarter I forget when it was 4th and 1 I wanted them to go for it and McDermott opted for a punt We're on our 30. out of all the hundreds and hundreds of NFL games this year only one team has gone for once on there 30 You're really not going to see that unless it's the last drive 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerboski Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 My only real concern about sean, he is too safe 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 At 4th and 1, I would have LOVED to see us go for it. It's not the normal move, but against the Pats, that's kind of what you have to do. A 50/50 call - can't fault him too much. But we would have had a better chance to win being more aggressive there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 (edited) After we went up 17 - 10 they got way too conservative. In that case they should assume NE is going to score again, Instead they tried to run a full quarter of time off the clock, essentially wasting two possessions, but needed more time at the end. It's really not very smart. Edited December 22, 2019 by Chemical 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 (edited) I hate it too, but it usually works. Not sure how he thought today was the day to do that though. Our defense could not get off the field, played disinterested, missed tackles and generally was a no-show. Also, it’s New England on their last stand. You have to kill them, they aren’t going to just die. Edited December 22, 2019 by SCBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Daboll calls the plays. How many first down runs out of the shotgun did he call in a row? He's too predictable in these types of moments. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 I agree that 17 won’t beat NE. Case in point on that last drive IF we scored we should have went for 2 because you play to win. Is there anyone who felt NE wouldn’t convert their 2point try? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 I think he’s fine. I hated early in the year when McD would pass on an easy FG and go for the 4th down only to be stuffed. It’s the NFL don’t take chances like that on your side of the field and don’t pass up easy points in early portions of games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, H2o said: Daboll calls the plays. How many first down runs out of the shotgun did he call in a row? He's too predictable in these types of moments. I think McDermott has a huge influence on the playcalling. And Daboll is somewhat hamstrung by McD's conservative nature. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Time of Possession New England 38:52 Buffalo 21:08. Does anyone believe we win if it’s another sustained drive. 3rd Qtr 2:21 left 4th & 1 at our 36, up 17-13, McD elects to punt the ball NE goes on to drive 11 plays 77 yards over 6:40 and converts a FG cutting out lead to 17-16. This is a dangerous call but on a night where the Defense was giving up drives & major time giving NE the ball on our 36 would have kept valuable clock on our side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Singletary for 1 yard is going to haunt our dreams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UConn James Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 13 minutes ago, Success said: At 4th and 1, I would have LOVED to see us go for it. It's not the normal move, but against the Pats, that's kind of what you have to do. A 50/50 call - can't fault him too much. But we would have had a better chance to win being more aggressive there. Yup. It was more like 4th and 1/2-yard. Why the hell not show your guys you believe in them? The way NE was moving the ball and controlling the time of possession, it left our D really gassed. Beating the Pats requires you to keep Brady & Edelman off the field, and we just gave it right back to them after a 3 and out. And as it turned out — PREDICTABLY — Brady was right back to the spot three plays later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 I don’t think mcdermott is too safe at all mostly. If the offense executes and plays well he shows he’ll be aggressive. But he refuses to take chances of swinging the momentum to the other team. Should they have ran 3 straight times, no of course not. He has shown he does not trust Allen to make plays in critical situations to put the game away. Maybe that’s a bad thing. He only trusts Allen when he has no choice and yes Allen is coming through most of the time. I can see why he’s not aggressive in situations where Allen may force a turnover or the line is going to get penalized cause they’re struggling blocking. And I can see why he trusts his defense to get a stop even on a day like today when they are not playing their best. Some are calling him gutless, but those same people freak out if we don’t feed singletary, would absolutely freak out if instead of a first down run after they got the lead they threw it and Allen got sacked and fumbled. People are going to nitpick and overreact no matter how he plays it. When Mcdermott challenges he’s stupid for wasting a timeout on an unwinnable challenge. When he doesn’t challenge like the 4th down patriot run today he’s dumb, when there is zero chance they overturn that call. When the side view does not show the ball and the runners knee they are staying with the call on the field 100% of the time. It’s a no win situation and there’s probably 20 other fan bases who would KILL to have our current setup and structure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 No I'm most concerned about our Run D and pass rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampton Josh fan Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 They play super conservative on offense and want to keep it close and make a big play in crunch time. The strategy is not terrible, but the defense had bad tackling and couldn't defend the screens. They must learn how to protect against all out blitz defenses also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Well we scored our usual 17..... The defense however allowed 24.... It all started after the fumble recovery & deciding to run the ball & settle for 3..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 16 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: He has shown he does not trust Allen to make plays in critical situations to put the game away. Maybe that’s a bad thing. He only trusts Allen when he has no choice and yes Allen is coming through most of the time. I can see why he’s not aggressive in situations where Allen may force a turnover or the line is going to get penalized cause they’re struggling blocking. That was fine when Josh was a rookie and then a tad careless in the beginning of this year. Young QB, top notch D, you trust the D. But, since that 1sty Cheats game, Josh has sure proven he protects the ball well and he is clutch. Trust the man! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tesla03 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 our problem is we struggle to score more than 20 points per game once again held under 20 this week. I get the patriots defense is good but Texans, Ravens, and Chiefs put 20+ on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 It's kinda interesting that this game ended almost the exact same way the Ravens game ended, but it doesn't seem the bills offense really learned anything from it. 1 timeout left on 4th down and they didn't use it. Patriots bring pressure and Allen's just heaves it up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jerome007 said: That was fine when Josh was a rookie and then a tad careless in the beginning of this year. Young QB, top notch D, you trust the D. But, since that 1sty Cheats game, Josh has sure proven he protects the ball well and he is clutch. Trust the man! I would agree for the most part. The offense is always just so off and on, I really think that plays the biggest part. You never know any given play if they will completely implode rather a hold, a drop, or a bad throw. I’m not sure our coaches have a play they can call they trust can be executed everytime. Every team has a few safe plays they know they can get a few yards rather a screen or dump off or curl route or whatever, ours is run up the gut for -1. They know the offense can execute that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 53 minutes ago, Adamb412 said: McDermott doesnt have a kill instinct and there was a part in the 4th quarter I forget when it was 4th and 1 I wanted them to go for it and McDermott opted for a punt When we got the ball back at the 30 off a good Roberts punt return, up 17-13 , Allen ran on 3rd and was barely a yard short. We ran twice prior. Had we gotten a 1st down there , I think it could have changed the game. But we got conservative and gave up 11 unanswered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 McDermott has taking us to the playoffs in 2 of the last 3 years, no need to be worried just let him do his thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Chemical said: After we went up 17 - 10 they got way too conservative. In that case they should assume NE is going to score again, Instead they tried to run a full quarter of time off the clock, essentially wasting two possessions, but needed more time at the end. It's really not very smart. It works when you are better than the team, Against the jets, titans, giants. When you are playing a team that is better is when this comes back to bite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 3 hours ago, Big Blitz said: No I'm most concerned about our Run D and pass rush. They’ll dial it up in the playoffs as they have since the 2nd Miami game. It was under wraps today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 3 hours ago, Adamb412 said: McDermott doesnt have a kill instinct and there was a part in the 4th quarter I forget when it was 4th and 1 I wanted them to go for it and McDermott opted for a punt yes it’s my biggest gripe too. Seems like the gameplan flips to “protect the lead” immediately. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 3 hours ago, Adamb412 said: McDermott doesnt have a kill instinct and there was a part in the 4th quarter I forget when it was 4th and 1 I wanted them to go for it and McDermott opted for a punt McD is who he is and not about to change his spots. This is how he's obtained a HC job and acquired the power at OBD to implement his vision for this franchise. It's not new that he's a defense-first coach who, I surmise, wants to win with great defense and a safe offense. The off-season personnel and in-game decisions illustrate that so often it can no longer be ignored. I don't care what he says before and after games. If he doesn't acclimate to a rapidly changing NFL and begin to surround that QB with better talent they're not going to be a top AFC team. Because every time they play a top echelon team this is going to be the result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 3 hours ago, H2o said: Daboll calls the plays. How many first down runs out of the shotgun did he call in a row? He's too predictable in these types of moments. Daboll already told the media some of those calls are directive he receives from mcdermott, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 minute ago, BillsVet said: McD is who he is and not about to change his spots. This is how he's obtained a HC job and acquired the power at OBD to implement his vision for this franchise. It's not new that he's a defense-first coach who, I surmise, wants to win with great defense and a safe offense. The off-season personnel and in-game decisions illustrate that so often it can no longer be ignored. I don't care what he says before and after games. If he doesn't acclimate to a rapidly changing NFL and begin to surround that QB with better talent they're not going to be a top AFC team. Because every time they play a top echelon team this is going to be the result. Yep. Well said. He's very good. I'm glad we have him. But he is the Nate Peterman guy. He has to change and adjust. If he changes he has a chance to be truly great. If he's stubborn he has the chance to be Marty Shottenheimer. Just now, BillsFan692 said: Daboll already told the media some of those calls are directive he receives from mcdermott, actually. I surely think McD holds Daboll back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Mcdermott MUST learn from this and grow... you cant go conservative with a 7 point lead against the pats its just dumb Honestly McDermotts conservative and gutless playcalling almost lost us the steelers game... almost. Look I like McD a lot, but he has to learn and grow. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 3 hours ago, Hampton Josh fan said: They play super conservative on offense and want to keep it close and make a big play in crunch time. The strategy is not terrible, but the defense had bad tackling and couldn't defend the screens. They must learn how to protect against all out blitz defenses also. The part that is weird is that McDermott and his staff coach/call plays like they have absolutely no faith in Josh Allen whatsoever and are extremely aware of his weaknesses. They really do. It's not much different than their approach to Tyrod. I suggest this is weird because I do not think they actually think about Allen in that way. I think they believe in him but you wouldn't know it from how they use him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Yep. Well said. He's very good. I'm glad we have him. But he is the Nate Peterman guy. He has to change and adjust. If he changes he has a chance to be truly great. If he's stubborn he has the chance to be Marty Shottenheimer. For now it's nice to get into the playoffs, but Bills fans will want more than just an appearance. At some point, winning a post-season game will be the expectation and I'm not so sure McD's vision is consistent with doing that. Schottenheimer could well be the comparison if McD can't figure out a way to beat the better AFC teams. They're 0-3 against NE and Baltimore, so unless he figures things out offensively I'm not sure about where he's going. That said, his decisions in offensive personnel and subsequent strategy have me concerned. They've scored 21 points per in only 6 of 15 games this season and those opponents were not good. There's a need for a significant investment still on offense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamb412 Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 Posted this 3 weeks ago and I ***** knew it. Play calling is pitiful he plays not to ***** lose!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Yup, unless he undergoes some kind of transformation, this is always going to be a problem against good teams. 1-5 this year vs teams that are in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Now you are worried about it lol? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 A popular quote I’ve heard all season that resurfaced after this game: “We’ll learn from this and move on...” Evidently they never learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popcornpam Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 (edited) Mc D is too conservative he sits on leads he doesn’t blitz enough he tries to run out the game and he ends up losing. You don’t see New England sit on a lead they score as many points as they can How many times are the bills going to get to the playoffs being in the division with New England when we’re there we have to take a avantage of it I haven’t seen McD coach a team that beat New England since he’s been here either. If I was an owner and you couldn’t win one game against New England or a playoff game I would think about showing you the door. Edited January 5, 2020 by popcornpam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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