Bengals accuse Pats employee of videotaping their play calls

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

More news. the cameraman wanted to delete the tapes. Fkin Pats, time to dive into the AFC basement .

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/illegal-patriots-video-reportedly-shows-bengals-coaching-signals-cameraman-wanted-to-delete-footage/

 

[wppete]

Florio, Simms and Peter King discuss. 
 

 

[May Day 10]

Belichick also plays extremely 'babe in the woods' with this 'do your job' series, but looking at previous installments, he was a/the major subject matter.  How would he not know anything?  

[Warcodered]

22 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Max nailed it.

Definitely Orlovsky sounded like an idiot and Stephen A. sounded like a guy who just wants to watch the world burn.

13 minutes ago, Gary Busey said:

 

The camera operator was also wearing BRUINS gear, not PATRIOTS gear. Not sure if that means anything - but that fact is getting lost in almost every report. 

What a brilliant disguise. ?

[gobilz]

Storm the Bastille!!!

[Jerry Jabber]

Gonna love hearing the excuses from the Patriots and their fans on this one. "They were filming for the "do your job" series," "It was a rogue employee," "Someone intentionally wore something that was Boston sports team related, started filming, just to get the Patriots in trouble," "the Patriots employee had a mancrush on one of the Bengals coaches."

[Buffaloaf]

38 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

People calling for Belicheck to be banned are not going to get their wish. If the NFL took such a severe step and banned a coach that had 6 super bowls over two decades, would be a huge black eye to the league and undermine the confidence the public has in the league, the commissioner and the idea of games being fixed.  It would wipe out nearly a 20 year period of dominance by one team, an entire generation of football fans will have felt cheated for 20 years. The NFL would never fully recover 

 

Imagine the implications that Vegas has? Or other owners?

 

If this turns out to be spygate 2.0 (and im not sure it will) expect a suspension at most for Belicheck. Heavy fines, loss of draft picks ect.

 

Vacating wins? This isnt college football. Bans? Extremely unlikey.

 

I made a similar point earlier in the thread.  The NFL just can't afford to let the details get out.  It would be the worst scandal in sports history and potentially ruin the NFL.

 

I could see a superficial punishment of fines, draft picks, etc, but not likely to see anything beyond that publicly.  Maybe Belichick will surprisingly retire after the season with a wink and a nod.

[Mat68]

After reading the report of spygate.  It was so systemic that there is no way they would stop cold Turkey.  Does it matter?  Imo, no.  They cant score enough points.  Barring a string of TO and a special teams TD, Buffalo goes into NE and beats them.  

Edited December 10, 2019 by Mat68

[May Day 10]

they have to play with 10 players on the field for the duration of Belichick's career

[Warren Zevon]

15 minutes ago, wppete said:

Florio, Simms and Peter King discuss. 
 

 

 

Nobody. Was. Wearing. Patriots. Gear!!!!!!!!

 

 

[4merper4mer]

8 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

they have to play with 10 players on the field for the duration of Belichick's career

 

 

Edited December 10, 2019 by 4merper4mer

[stevewin]

17 minutes ago, Jerry Jabber said:

Gonna love hearing the excuses from the Patriots and their fans on this one. "They were filming for the "do your job" series," "It was a rogue employee," "Someone intentionally wore something that was Boston sports team related, started filming, just to get the Patriots in trouble," "the Patriots employee had a mancrush on one of the Bengals coaches."

Take a peek at the Patsfan forum "They weren't even Patriot employees - they were employees of Kraft Productions!"  

[Rocbillsfan1]

49 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

Max nailed it.

And just when I thought I couldn’t dislike Steven a smith even more he had to open his mouth. I don’t even mind the other guys take of well maybe so maybe not with cheating but Steven a is saying they are and have been cheating so what. why aren’t the other teams cheating then? It’s their fault for also not breaking the rules. That’s the point you want to make? Like really? This is why the nfl has to come in and do something and end this bull####. 

[MikeSpeed]

It does not matter is Billy knew anything about the filming or not. If any team should know the rules it NE. They should have made a point to make sure the people they hire know the boundaries of their job. If any other company on the planet has an employee that screws up, the company has to take responsibility for them.

NE needs a huge penalty and nothing short of a ban from the playoffs and extended suspensions is acceptable.

[Rocbillsfan1]

I’m sorry but the point has been made over and over again how well the patriots organization is run and how smart they are. They knew full well what they were doing and that it was wrong. Their story is complete garbage. If you’re there to film some bogus tv program about a scout then why is the crew filming the sideline for 8 plus minutes. No part of that would be able to be used on your stupid show anyways. Nfl must come down hard. 

[BringBackFergy]

Roger needs to act #fearless. 

[NewEra]

This has been happening to us for almost 20 years. Sigh

[peterpan]

I have been saying FOREVER that the Pats never stopped cheating.  You can EASILY see that they are, just by watching their games.  

 

It's nice for other people to finally confirm what was already known.  

 

Now they need to be absolutely destroyed.  The NCAA vacates wins for minor recruitment violations.  This is incredibly more serious.  

 

All wins under belicheater tenure vacated.  

 

Take back and melt down their Lombardi trophies.

 

Kraft should be forced to sell the team

  

Belicheater banned for life.  

 

Every coach in on it banned for 1 year.  

 

No draft picks for 3-5 years.  NONE.

 

Reduced salary cap figure. 

 

No prime time games for 5 years. 

 

Maybe no home games for one season?

 

 

 

Pats need to be absolutely DESTROYED for horrible, repeated cheating.  This is the worst cheating scandel in world sports history.  Nothing compares to this.  NOTHING.  

 

THEY RUINED football for 20 years!!!!

 

[1ManRaid]

31 minutes ago, stevewin said:

Take a peek at the Patsfan forum "They weren't even Patriot employees - they were employees of Kraft Productions!"  

That reminds me of someone claiming a financial loss on the year for their company by having it pay a huge last minute "consulting fee" to...their other company...

[Dan]

13 minutes ago, Rocbillsfan1 said:

And just when I thought I couldn’t dislike Steven a smith even more he had to open his mouth. I don’t even mind the other guys take of well maybe so maybe not with cheating but Steven a is saying they are and have been cheating so what. why aren’t the other teams cheating then? It’s their fault for also not breaking the rules. That’s the point you want to make? Like really? This is why the nfl has to come in and do something and end this bull####. 

I absolutely hate the line of thinking that... Well.. Everyone should be cheating.  Or that teams should have counter measures in place to safeguard against their cheating.  Why do we have any rules at all??   No!  One team is the problem.   Everyone does not do this. Everyone else should not be forced to compensate while one team does this.  The guilty party needs to be sanctioned and stopped, period.   Bar them from any post season play for 3 or more years and dismantle their current program.   They are still cheating, they've always cheated.  No small fine or loss of a draft pick is going to stop them. 

 

Here we all are... Hoping the Bengals some how win on Sunday and then we beat the Steelers so that we have a ..chance.. at the division and home playoff games.   And how will we all feel when the Bengals lose??  And we don't get home palyoff games, even if we win out?   Will it be because one team was just better than us?  Or will it be becuase they cheated and gained unfair advantages all season?   How many of their 10wins this year are because they cheated?  How many of their wins were because they had an unfair knowledge of the other team?  Maybe their defense isn't as dominating when they don't know the other team's plays/signals/whatever?  

 

Bottomline... We don't know how good they are because we don't know how extensively they have been cheating.  But we do know that the Bills' chance of getting a home playoff game, let alone a real chance at the Super Bowl is diminished because they play in a division where one of the teams cheats week in and week out.  

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, peterpan said:

I have been saying FOREVER that the Pats never stopped cheating.  You can EASILY see that they are, just by watching their games.  

 

It's nice for other people to finally confirm what was already known.  

 

Now they need to be absolutely destroyed.  The NCAA vacates wins for minor recruitment violations.  This is incredibly more serious.  

 

All wins under belicheater tenure vacated.  

 

Take back and melt down their Lombardi trophies.

 

Kraft should be forced to sell the team

  

Belicheater banned for life.  

 

Every coach in on it banned for 1 year.  

 

No draft picks for 3-5 years.  NONE.

 

Reduced salary cap figure. 

 

No prime time games for 5 years. 

 

Maybe no home games for one season?

 

 

 

Pats need to be absolutely DESTROYED for horrible, repeated cheating.  This is the worst cheating scandel in world sports history.  Nothing compares to this.  NOTHING.  

 

THEY RUINED football for 20 years!!!!

 

overreaction, maybe.  Can’t really argue with ya though.  Their cheating may have changed the landscape of football for 2 decades.  
 

Sucks that we can’t prove how many times they’ve cheated over the years.  Maybe Belichick will do his wife wrong and she’ll spill the beans.

[peterpan]

1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said:

People calling for Belicheck to be banned are not going to get their wish. If the NFL took such a severe step and banned a coach that had 6 super bowls over two decades, would be a huge black eye to the league and undermine the confidence the public has in the league, the commissioner and the idea of games being fixed.  It would wipe out nearly a 20 year period of dominance by one team, an entire generation of football fans will have felt cheated for 20 years. The NFL would never fully recover 

 

Imagine the implications that Vegas has? Or other owners?

 

If this turns out to be spygate 2.0 (and im not sure it will) expect a suspension at most for Belicheck. Heavy fines, loss of draft picks ect.

 

Vacating wins? This isnt college football. Bans? Extremely unlikey.

I hear what you are saying, but I disagree.  If the NFL does NOT have a severe punishment, then it will CONFIRM that the league is rigged for the Pats.  We already know the Pats cheated their way to 3 Superbowls.  This confirms that they NEVER STOPPED.  Something us astute fans already deciphered.

 

By doing nothing, the league says it's OK.  The evidence ALREADY PROVES that "a coach with 6 SBs and 20 years of dominance" is a cheating prik.  

 

For the NFL to say - it's ok, no big deal, would be a death nail to the NFL.  

 

 

[BuffaloRebound]

Kraft needs to be forced to sell team and Bellichik banned for life.  No penalty will stop their cheating.  They need to be removed from the game for life.  

The Patriots players and fans shouldn’t be penalized.  You can’t vacate past titles and wins.  Then you just make martyrs of the cheating SOB’s.  Get Kraft and Belichik out of the game forever.  

Edited December 10, 2019 by BuffaloRebound

[Captain Hindsight]

7 minutes ago, peterpan said:

I hear what you are saying, but I disagree.  If the NFL does NOT have a severe punishment, then it will CONFIRM that the league is rigged for the Pats.  We already know the Pats cheated their way to 3 Superbowls.  This confirms that they NEVER STOPPED.  Something us astute fans already deciphered.

 

By doing nothing, the league says it's OK.  The evidence ALREADY PROVES that "a coach with 6 SBs and 20 years of dominance" is a cheating prik.  

 

For the NFL to say - it's ok, no big deal, would be a death nail to the NFL.  

 

 

Damned if you do, damned if you dont

[row_33]

Pats should market the films, title them "DON'T PLAY LIKE THIS"

 

 

[Franco_92]

18 minutes ago, peterpan said:

I have been saying FOREVER that the Pats never stopped cheating.  You can EASILY see that they are, just by watching their games.  

 

 

 

I think the pats are sketchy and will always take this stuff seriously because of it, but this is so unconvincing and you don't further elaborate. When I watch the Pats this year I see a team that can beat up on bad teams, but has a losing record against good ones, and can barely move the ball without trick plays no matter who they're playing.

[peterpan]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Kraft needs to be forced to sell team and Bellichik banned for life.  No penalty will stop their cheating.  They need to be removed from the game for life.  

Exactly!!!!

 

 

Pegula should offer up a bounty for any employees who can prove the pats cheating and come forward with evidence. 

 

A cool $1 million dollars would be enough to get the truth for sure.  

 

Pegs would also earn that back easily with one home ayoff game, which we would have this year if not for the Pats never ending cheating. 

[njbuff]

Why are the Pats ALWAYS the ones that have their names involved in this stuff?

 

Do other teams do this stuff?

 

Anyways, what can actually be done here?

[GoBills808]

59 minutes ago, stevewin said:

Take a peek at the Patsfan forum "They weren't even Patriot employees - they were employees of Kraft Productions!"  

It’s almost as if those stupid mfers don’t realize a general contractor is liable for its ics. Even if, y’know, they were TOTALLY acting of their own volition lmaoooooooo

[peterpan]

8 minutes ago, arcane said:

I think the pats are sketchy and will always take this stuff seriously because of it, but this is so unconvincing and you don't further elaborate. When I watch the Pats this year I see a team that can beat up on bad teams, but has a losing record against good ones, and can barely move the ball without trick plays no matter who they're playing.

The Pats run slants and crossing routes.  Their offense is simple and the great minds of the NFL should have been able to stop it as far back as 2002.  But they never have.  How come?  CHEATING.  

 

The Pats sign players cut by the worst teams in the league, those players start, Pats win the Superbowl, then those players go on to suck for other teams.  How do you win repeatedly with sub par players??? CHEATING.  

 

NONE of their assistant coaches have gone onto be successful head coaches.  Charlie Weis, Romeo Crennel, Mangini, that bearded guy with the Lions, that dousche who stunk in Denver then bailed on the Colts.  They all are failures.  Sure, you could luck into one Superbowl with bad coaches, but dominate the league for 20 years and win six Superbowls without EVER having good assistant coaches??? It's impossible.  ITS NOT POSSIBLE.  ITS CHEATING.  

 

They were losing to the Falcons like 33-7 in the Superbowl.  Then Matt Ryan's helmet radio malfunctions and doesn't work right for the remainder of the game.  The Pats come back and win.  Not a reasonable comeback, but the largest or 2nd largest comeback in NFL HISTORY.......  HELLO.... CHEATING

 

Tom Brady playing at 42 when no one else came make it past 38.  Hmmmm.  I bet it's easier to perform well when....YOU ARE CHEATING.   

 

Isn't it strange this HIS valued trainer gets arrested by the Feds for illegal Chinese drugs??? Hmmmmm, yep, no connection there!!!!!

 

 

All of these individually may be able to be explained away.  But it's ALL one team.  The same team that has been CAUGHT CHEATING 3 TIMES NOW.  

Edited December 10, 2019 by peterpan

[MILFHUNTER#518]

26 minutes ago, peterpan said:

I have been saying FOREVER that the Pats never stopped cheating.  You can EASILY see that they are, just by watching their games.  

 

It's nice for other people to finally confirm what was already known.  

 

Now they need to be absolutely destroyed.  The NCAA vacates wins for minor recruitment violations.  This is incredibly more serious.  

 

All wins under belicheater tenure vacated.  

 

Take back and melt down their Lombardi trophies.

 

Kraft should be forced to sell the team

  

Belicheater banned for life.  

 

Every coach in on it banned for 1 year.  

 

No draft picks for 3-5 years.  NONE.

 

Reduced salary cap figure. 

 

No prime time games for 5 years. 

 

Maybe no home games for one season?

 

 

 

Pats need to be absolutely DESTROYED for horrible, repeated cheating.  This is the worst cheating scandel in world sports history.  Nothing compares to this.  NOTHING.  

 

THEY RUINED football for 20 years!!!!

 

Thank you, you just said EVERYTHING that I feel in one post. 100% in agreement.

[whatdrought]

 

 

So it's only a problem to break the rules if you actually succeed in gaining a competitive advantage? This is BS. Make them forfeit the Bengals game. This is the second time and they aren't even sort of denying it. 

[stevewin]

2 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

Thank you, you just said EVERYTHING that I feel in one post. 100% in agreement.

Would also love to see it turn public opinion that Bellicheat isn't quite the football genius everyone thinks, a stop all the Brady GOAT crap

[GoBills808]

Where all the patriots fans at???

[TheFunPolice]

"where's he standing?"

 

Belichick during the Superbowl regarding McVay

 

Yup.  No value to these videos. Totally innocent.

 

What if Taylor is OC of the Chiefs next year? Suddenly it's not just the Bengals

[stevewin]

1 minute ago, whatdrought said:

 

 

So it's only a problem to break the rules if you actually succeed in gaining a competitive advantage? This is BS. Make them forfeit the Bengals game. This is the second time and they aren't even sort of denying it. 

No kidding - because they might actually have been bad at cheating this time they shouldn't be punished.  WTF is that

[Say When...]

2 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

 

 

So it's only a problem to break the rules if you actually succeed in gaining a competitive advantage? This is BS. Make them forfeit the Bengals game. This is the second time and they aren't even sort of denying it. 

 

i hope they are referring to the degree of the punishment as they are already guilty, but still, to your point if everything is in a gray area how do you hold people accountable and stop it?

[Rc2catch]

The tape is going to come out probably. If the league is soft about punishment the bengals are going to release it. I don’t know how severe the punishment is going to be but I think it depends. If there’s 8 minutes of bengal coaches and assistants it’ll be a wicked penalty. If it’s stupid non important stuff expect a little fine and maybe a mid round pick. 

[mykidsdad]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/12/10/report-patriots-video-focuses-on-bengals-sideline-for-eight-minutes/

 

Didn't see this posted yet. Sorry if it is a repeat. 

[Say When...]

4 minutes ago, stevewin said:

Would also love to see it turn public opinion that Bellicheat isn't quite the football genius everyone thinks, a stop all the Brady GOAT crap

 

which would absolutely kill him - i think BB can walk away tarnished and be relatively unphased but Tom?  maybe at one time he "loved the game so much" but now it's 120% about his ego and legacy, put an asterisk on that or even take it away, you absolutely destroy him.