Big Turk Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) For the last 3 years, the Bills have been exceptionally healthy which coincides to McBeane getting here and removing a lot of the "old guard" in terms of trainers and strength and conditioning coaches so they could bring in guys who wanted to follow the newest science and research to develop programs to ensure players stay as healthy as possible and attempt to limit injuries. They include everything in this...tracking players movement in practice so they can implement down time at the appropriate time for each player, what they eat, when they eat, when they train, the exercises they do, etc etc.... McBeane has talked about this before and truly believe this is making a difference in terms of their players staying healthier. While there is no objective proof, it appears based on games lost to injury over the past few years that it is working as intended. In 2017 the Bills had the 9th fewest games lost to injury. Last year they had the 2nd fewest games lost to injury and this year they have the 5th fewest games lost to injury. In addition they have had very few serious injuries, with Phillips tearing his ACL being the only real big one in this time (that i can recall) Do you believe they have been able to reduce their injuries by their cutting edge sports science programs or do you think this is just luck? I believe strongly in sports science and its ability to help reduce injury by not only helping the body recover better but also in providing these recovery periods at the proper time right before the body would become injured. Edited November 28, 2019 by matter2003 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) There may be some tie to the training regiments. We don’t know how they changed. it may also be in part that when you are “in the mix” you don’t shelve guys as quickly Edited November 28, 2019 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOboy Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 I think it certainly helps, but there's a much bigger element of luck involved too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 I voted both, but you make your own luck by smart preparation and continuing that level of proper health maintenance. Go Bills!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 28, 2019 Author Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, NoSaint said: There may be some tie to the training regiments. We don’t know how they changed. it may also be in part that when you are “in the mix” you don’t shelve guys as quickly Actually we do know how they have changed. Sal has reported numerous times about all the changes they have made. Edited November 28, 2019 by matter2003 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 After some 30 years of watching football, I'm convinced that lack of injury on a team comes down to nothing more than sheer luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 I went with both because everybody gets some luck somehow, good or bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numark3 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Yup, luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, DC Tom said: After some 30 years of watching football, I'm convinced that lack of injury on a team comes down to nothing more than sheer luck. But you didn't vote that way. Nobody has voted for the luck option yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 28, 2019 Author Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, DC Tom said: After some 30 years of watching football, I'm convinced that lack of injury on a team comes down to nothing more than sheer luck. Well to be fair, for the past 30 years there have been precious few attempts at bringing sports science in to try and prevent them. Edited November 28, 2019 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunshynman Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 I feel about this article like I do when the color commentator says something, "And the Bills have not been shut out of the end zone in the last 5 trips to the red zone" ! JINX! Happened like 3 times during the broadcast of the Browns game. I was like stop putting the bad juju on us! I am positive conditioning plays a huge roll. But sometimes its just dumb luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 ...as soon as a couple of injuries crop up, the TBD "Fire 'Em Gang" is in full bloom.....S&C Gang has "got to go" followed by but in not preferred order... A. Pegula-the clueless Owner B. McDermutt- DC minded but turrible HC C. McBeane-yada yada but too many misses D. Rockpile Beerman-warm beer and an Allen like overthrow with my can of Blue E.Port-A-Potty janitor-no paper or sanitizer F. Upper Deck Concessionaire- stone cold cheese on my nachos ....it's a tough crowd no doubt........... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Why must we continue to tempt fate? Was Foster not enough for you? You want Morse to break his other hand?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 It's further evidence of the good job he's doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Well, now you Jinxed us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 18 minutes ago, MJS said: But you didn't vote that way. Nobody has voted for the luck option yet. Fine. I voted. You ***** happy now? Feel validated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 IMO there is no doubt that the attention to detail with diet, training and flexibility has helped. One of my biggest issues with Rex and Wade was their "treat them like adults" attitude about the above..........and then watched their team battle soft tissue injuries in droves all the time. They are young men age 20-30.........let's just say not the most naturally reliable/accountable people on the planet .........they NEED guidance. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 As long as there are no injuries to the QB and a few key players you can't really complain, injuries happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 You can help prevent some injuries with better training, stretching, hydration (looking at that hammy Shady!), etc. This also includes proper technique. Of course plenty of injuries are also sheer luck (Ty getting rolled on) and some are because a previous injury wasn't properly handled. Definitely think in our case it is a bit of both. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 OBD has invested a lot in keeping players healthy AND getting players recovered from every game. I think their efforts have helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 The other part is focusing on players who do not miss a lot of time due to injury. While some injuries are bad luck soft tissue injuries seem to follow certain players. Yes Morse is an exception but you need to take some calculated risks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 I believe this training staff is our best since good ole Rusty Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 28, 2019 Author Share Posted November 28, 2019 32 minutes ago, Big C said: You can help prevent some injuries with better training, stretching, hydration (looking at that hammy Shady!), etc. This also includes proper technique. Of course plenty of injuries are also sheer luck (Ty getting rolled on) and some are because a previous injury wasn't properly handled. Definitely think in our case it is a bit of both. I think the biggest thing they have done is have players wear GPS devices in practice and then based on various factors and science they can schedule down time for the players based on how active they are and what the science says in regards to when they should be resting. This is done to prevent injuries from occurring by giving the players rest BEFORE they get to the point of hurting themselves where the point is determined by many factors. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Weren't we one if the most injured prior to his arrival? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 14 minutes ago, BillsRdue said: I believe this training staff is our best since good ole Rusty Jones. You're right! Ever since he "left" injuries have been a constant issue. Maybe we're finally through that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 51 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Fine. I voted. You ***** happy now? Feel validated? I am happy. Thanks for asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Gump. Although I personally believe in the curse of Rusty Jones, it looks like we may be finally distancing ourselves from that disastrous Mularkey decision. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Delete this topic before the game starts please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 We have the technology, we can make him stronger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Probably a little of both plus players have more incentive to get back on the field when they actually have something to play for Feels like our roster would get wiped out after slow starts many seasons As a player I would be in no rush to get back to a losing team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 It’s kind of an urban legend about the correlation between training staff and injuries. They had dr cho on nfl network talking about this and that was his take. It’s partly luck and partly that this regime values players who don’t miss a lot of games due to injury. Lots of guys on final year or one rly early deals. Those players want to get paid and you don’t do that on the sideline. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 3 hours ago, matter2003 said: For the last 3 years, the Bills have been exceptionally healthy which coincides to McBeane getting here and removing a lot of the "old guard" in terms of trainers and strength and conditioning coaches so they could bring in guys who wanted to follow the newest science and research to develop programs to ensure players stay as healthy as possible and attempt to limit injuries. They include everything in this...tracking players movement in practice so they can implement down time at the appropriate time for each player, what they eat, when they eat, when they train, the exercises they do, etc etc.... McBeane has talked about this before and truly believe this is making a difference in terms of their players staying healthier. While there is no objective proof, it appears based on games lost to injury over the past few years that it is working as intended. In 2017 the Bills had the 9th fewest games lost to injury. Last year they had the 2nd fewest games lost to injury and this year they have the 5th fewest games lost to injury. In addition they have had very few serious injuries, with Phillips tearing his ACL being the only real big one in this time (that i can recall) Do you believe they have been able to reduce their injuries by their cutting edge sports science programs or do you think this is just luck? I believe strongly in sports science and its ability to help reduce injury by not only helping the body recover better but also in providing these recovery periods at the proper time right before the body would become injured. I was one who was pissing and moaning for years about our inept training staff and pleading to change it. Far as I am concerned, I think my complaints were validated by the substantial reduction in injury issues through the upgrade in our staff and facilities to how it’s helped both prevent injuries and treat injuries. Plenty mocked my complaints, but I’m gonna just say it: I told you so. Plenty of inept things by the old staff from misjudging Shaqs shoulder before draft, mishandling the injury and recovery of Watkins, etc etc. It was a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Did you have to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 I voted for Sports Science. We looked to be 'playing faster' than the Cowboys and I think it was more than just my Homer eyes. IMO, our players recovered faster on the short week and the trainers/sports science guys deserve a chunk of the credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 thought about this last week Luck from the side if you break a leg nothings helping But from a recovery aspect feeling good body ready Yes I think it has played a role Teams don't waste time with things that don't work watching video, taking steroids, filming the other teams practices - the only reason they do it - it works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Not sure. But don't talk about Fight Club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 I think part of it is the message McD and Beane have been sending since day 1. If you can't stay on the field (Watkins) and play, play hurt, if you have that reputation you're not going to stick here. I thought Foster was going to be out a month after seeing him come up lame with that hammy just FIVE DAYS ago. And he played. Morse played. In the Embedded series at the front office meetings when they're discussing UFAs you see the one personnel guy I forgot who say "he stays on the field." So this is something they understand and value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 We dodged a bullet there with Tre White! He gave up a couple receptions after that but also had the INT with the long return (setting up that comedy-of-errors drive and the tying FG). Although, when he was in the blue injury tent, I was thinking to myself “well, we were overdue for an injury to one of our stars...” BBFS rears its head again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringMetheHeadofLeonLett Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Targeting players with good instincts, spatial awareness and body control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringMetheHeadofLeonLett Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 On 11/28/2019 at 10:09 AM, DC Tom said: Fine. I voted. You ***** happy now? Feel validated? You need to try coming more from a place of love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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