Rigotz Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Didn't see this posted anywhere: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/11/08/olivier-vernon-ruled-out-by-browns/ He's a solid player. The line didn't move much with this news, but it's a nice boost for our O-Line. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 They said he got hurt on the 3rd to last play of the last game bumping knees with another player. Bad luck on a meaningless play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 minute ago, Dablitzkrieg said: They said he got hurt on the 3rd to last play of the last game bumping knees with another player. Bad luck on a meaningless play Good luck for us. I really want to beat the snot out of the Browns! The sad thing is it’s a lose/ lose for us, status wise. We win, they suck and we were suppose to beat them. We lose, we suck? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP's Voice Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: They said he got hurt on the 3rd to last play of the last game bumping knees with another player. Bad luck on a meaningless play Similar to the injury to Horrible Harry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 15 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said: Good luck for us. I really want to beat the snot out of the Browns! The sad thing is it’s a lose/ lose for us, status wise. We win, they suck and we were suppose to beat them. We lose, we suck? You're right. We won't benefit from either outcome. Unless we blow them out which we haven't done yet to anyone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 I'll take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said: You're right. We won't benefit from either outcome. Unless we blow them out which we haven't done yet to anyone. well, besides in the ‘W’ column 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said: You're right. We won't benefit from either outcome. Unless we blow them out which we haven't done yet to anyone. Man, it would be sweet if we did! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 This is reminding me of the Eagles game when 5 or 6 were out and I was sure we would win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Buffalo Boy said: Good luck for us. I really want to beat the snot out of the Browns! The sad thing is it’s a lose/ lose for us, status wise. We win, they suck and we were suppose to beat them. We lose, we suck? Yes, your exactly right but that's ok, just want a win. I don't want our Billy Boys getting swell heads, let them feel disrespected ---it will keep them working harder to gain respect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 10 minutes ago, HOUSE said: This is reminding me of the Eagles game when 5 or 6 were out and I was sure we would win. Kinda my feeling too. The big difference for me is the HC. Pederson is a heck of an offensive mind verses Kitchens has yet to put it together consistently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said: Good luck for us. I really want to beat the snot out of the Browns! The sad thing is it’s a lose/ lose for us, status wise. We win, they suck and we were suppose to beat them. We lose, we suck? I dunno about that. 6-3 is good, but a 7-2 record might start to generate a little respect for the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said: You're right. We won't benefit from either outcome. Unless we blow them out which we haven't done yet to anyone. So 7 and 2 is not a benefit. You listen to the a$$hats too much. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said: Good luck for us. I really want to beat the snot out of the Browns! The sad thing is it’s a lose/ lose for us, status wise. We win, they suck and we were suppose to beat them. We lose, we suck? I think you are underrating the Brown a bit. This is going to be a very close game. 43 minutes ago, HOUSE said: This is reminding me of the Eagles game when 5 or 6 were out and I was sure we would win. Never easy beating a team with their backs against the wall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 If there was ANY defender on the Browns I didn't want to play against it was Olivier Vernon. This dude is a beast and his absence will probably effect their defense the way CJ Mosley did the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 17 minutes ago, artmalibu said: So 7 and 2 is not a benefit. You listen to the a$$hats too much. 55 minutes ago, RiotAct said: well, besides in the ‘W’ column Bother reading who and what I was responding to....the key words are " status wise"....media...in other words we could be 9-2 going to Dallas and most of the clueless national media would find some excuse to disparage us. Obviously every W is important. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said: Good luck for us. I really want to beat the snot out of the Browns! The sad thing is it’s a lose/ lose for us, status wise. We win, they suck and we were suppose to beat them. We lose, we suck? We become 7-2. Keep beating the teams you're supposed to beat and they can't ignore you. If we roll into Dallas on Thanksgiving at 9-2, we will have respect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said: Good luck for us. I really want to beat the snot out of the Browns! The sad thing is it’s a lose/ lose for us, status wise. We win, they suck and we were suppose to beat them. We lose, we suck? Not true. The Bills are underdogs. The Browns have a good inside running game, the weakness of the Bills. If Buffalo stops the run and wins convincingly this will easily be the biggest win of the year. I don’t think they get it done but I’m hopeful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 10 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said: We become 7-2. Keep beating the teams you're supposed to beat and they can't ignore you. If we roll into Dallas on Thanksgiving at 9-2, we will have respect. The thanksgiving game is basically the next "are they good?" test. Beating the Browns will have two narratives. Bills win by a few points "they barely beat the browns who don't appear to be THAT good anyways" Bills win by a lot "the Browns appear to be in worse shape than originally thought" No one is going to point to the Bills being better or a contender because of this game (at least when it comes to the talking heads). And honestly, I like it that way and I think they guys on the team like the "disrespected/underdog" narrative. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 They already had the 30th ranked run D and that was with him in the lineup 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 4 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: You're right. We won't benefit from either outcome. Unless we blow them out which we haven't done yet to anyone. Second largest margin of victory in the entire LEAGUE last week. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 24 minutes ago, TroutDog said: Second largest margin of victory in the entire LEAGUE last week. NoT eNoUgH! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 5 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said: Good luck for us. I really want to beat the snot out of the Browns! The sad thing is it’s a lose/ lose for us, status wise. We win, they suck and we were suppose to beat them. We lose, we suck? I want to see the Bills beat the Snot out of the Browns too I keep telling y'all. It is not a lose/lose for us. If we win, we get the W. Stack enough of 'em and we get to the playoffs. WeeeeeeeeHOOOOOOO playoffs! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 20 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: NoT eNoUgH! I suspect I should know what the upper and lower case letters mean but I don’t.... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, TroutDog said: I suspect I should know what the upper and lower case letters mean but I don’t.... ? It’s a meme ... kind of a sarcasm font for twitter 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conlan58 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: It’s a meme ... kind of a sarcasm font for twitter BiLlS sHoUlD hAvE dRaFtEd MaHoMeS! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 3 hours ago, BarleyNY said: I dunno about that. 6-3 is good, but a 7-2 record might start to generate a little respect for the Bills. I really don't give a ***** about respect form the national media. Get fat on these bad teams and by hell or high water get to 9-2 going into that brutal 4 game stretch. In order for this team to turn around their perception and culture I think they desperately need to get to 10 wins and a playoff spot. If it is solely done on beating up bad teams fine. That's how most teams get to 10+ wins anyway is by beating up on bad teams and teams they should beat. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 1 hour ago, TroutDog said: Second largest margin of victory in the entire LEAGUE last week. As it should have been playing one of the worst teams starting a rookie QB who has been known to be needing more development time. 29 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: I really don't give a ***** about respect form the national media. Get fat on these bad teams and by hell or high water get to 9-2 going into that brutal 4 game stretch. In order for this team to turn around their perception and culture I think they desperately need to get to 10 wins and a playoff spot. If it is solely done on beating up bad teams fine. That's how most teams get to 10+ wins anyway is by beating up on bad teams and teams they should beat. Exactly, get the wins whenever you can against who you should be beating and you can make the playoffs and your fans will be satisfied. If they want to be viewed as a threat or a true contender, they need to start beating teams convincingly and beat teams that they aren't expected to beat. That's how you get noticed. Beat the teams your supposed to beat by a close margin or 4th quarter comeback, your not going to get much attention cause your doing what your supposed to be doing. If you want attention and everyone else to take notice, you need to start beating teams convincingly and beating teams your not expected to beat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 But Myles Garrett still in, so they got that going for them, which is nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TroutDog Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 10 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: As it should have been playing one of the worst teams starting a rookie QB who has been known to be needing more development time. So no margin of victory is good enough for you? Just seems whacky to me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 9 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: As it should have been playing one of the worst teams starting a rookie QB who has been known to be needing more development time. Exactly, get the wins whenever you can against who you should be beating and you can make the playoffs and your fans will be satisfied. If they want to be viewed as a threat or a true contender, they need to start beating teams convincingly and beat teams that they aren't expected to beat. That's how you get noticed. Beat the teams your supposed to beat by a close margin or 4th quarter comeback, your not going to get much attention cause your doing what your supposed to be doing. If you want attention and everyone else to take notice, you need to start beating teams convincingly and beating teams your not expected to beat I don't care if the Bills go 10-6 and they do so by beating the Browns, Dolphins, Broncos and Jets while losing the other 4 games. Granted not winning 1 against the Cowboys,, Ravens, Steelers, and Pats would sting but just get to a healthy record and the playoffs is a huge positive step for what the coaching staff and GM are trying to build. Unlike the Bears who bankrupted their draft picks and screwed their cap position in 2018 to try and win with a young QB the Bills are set up to have 84 million in cap space (Possibly 102 million if they cut Kroft and Murphy) and their full complement of draft choices. This team isn't a finished product. The team can afford to take care of their young players while also adding a couple of pieces via free agency. Overall the team is in a good spot to sustain winning the next 2-3 seasons while Josh is on his rookie deal. So as long as this team can get into the playoffs on a good record the season is an unqualified success. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirious Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: But Myles Garrett still in, so they got that going for them, which is nice. I think Dawkins has been having a quietly good season. This will probably be his biggest test so far. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Huge. Now we can double team Garrett on every play or watch dawkins get destroyed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 29 minutes ago, TroutDog said: So no margin of victory is good enough for you? Just seems whacky to me. I didn't say that, but the view of that game will be "big deal, they beat one of the worst teams in the league like almost everyone else I the league" it's not something that you can use as a way to prove your the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reks Ryan Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 4 hours ago, the skycap said: If there was ANY defender on the Browns I didn't want to play against it was Olivier Vernon. This dude is a beast and his absence will probably effect their defense the way CJ Mosley did the Jets. Are you sure you’re not thinking of Myles Garret? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 28 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: I don't care if the Bills go 10-6 and they do so by beating the Browns, Dolphins, Broncos and Jets while losing the other 4 games. Granted not winning 1 against the Cowboys,, Ravens, Steelers, and Pats would sting but just get to a healthy record and the playoffs is a huge positive step for what the coaching staff and GM are trying to build. Unlike the Bears who bankrupted their draft picks and screwed their cap position in 2018 to try and win with a young QB the Bills are set up to have 84 million in cap space (Possibly 102 million if they cut Kroft and Murphy) and their full complement of draft choices. This team isn't a finished product. The team can afford to take care of their young players while also adding a couple of pieces via free agency. Overall the team is in a good spot to sustain winning the next 2-3 seasons while Josh is on his rookie deal. So as long as this team can get into the playoffs on a good record the season is an unqualified success. It depends on if your just satisfied Making the playoffs or wanting them to be a threat in the playoffs. Beating only the bottom feeders in the league will most likely end up with them having a quick exit from. The playoffs. And they can have all the money in the world and it won't matter if they cant convince anyone to sign here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 (edited) Cleveland is loaded with talent, but have no chemistry and inconsistent coaching. The talent makes them dangerous. The lack of chemistry and coaching accounts in part for their lousy record. The other factor for Cleveland is a brutal schedule. Their schedule has been as tough as Buffalo's has been easy. Vernon has been a really good defensive end, and his absence will be a benefit to Buffalo. However, it's been noted that they have Miles Garrett on the other end of the line. They also have great skill players on offense. If Baker Mayfield were to suddenly pull out a game where he plays like he did a year ago, Cleveland would be very tough. I think Buffalo can win this game, but a Cleveland playing at the level where their talent says they might will hardly be a cakewalk. Edited November 10, 2019 by TigerJ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 5 hours ago, CommonCents said: Not true. The Bills are underdogs. The Browns have a good inside running game, the weakness of the Bills. If Buffalo stops the run and wins convincingly this will easily be the biggest win of the year. I don’t think they get it done but I’m hopeful. Sorry, but beating a 2-6 team should be a given. That we are dogs is pathetic and the idea that it would be a big win is equally pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Browns are giving up over 6yrds on average on first down for the year. I'm not sure I want anyone different out there on the defensive line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, TigerJ said: Cleveland is loaded with talent, but have not chemistry and inconsistent coaching. The talent makes them dangerous. The lack of chemistry and coaching accounts in part for their lousy record. The other factor for Cleveland is a brutal schedule. Their schedule has been as tough as Buffalo's has been easy. Vernon has been a really good defensive end, and his absence will be a benefit to Buffalo. However, it's been noted that they have Miles Garrett on the other end of the line. They also have great skill players on offense. If Baker Mayfield were to suddenly pull out a game where he plays like he did a year ago, Cleveland would be very tough. I think Buffalo can win this game, but a Cleveland playing at the level where their talent says they might will hardly be a cakewalk. I wouldn’t call them loaded with talent. They have a few good pieces Chubb, Garrett, Beckham and a couple decent OL. Mayfield is all hype and overrated. Tired of hearing about how they are loaded with talent. Edited November 9, 2019 by CaptnCoke11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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