Simple poll. Is Josh Allen improving as a passer?

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, C.Biscuit97 said:

He just had 3 tds against a defense that was undefeated and off to a record start.

 

Have to agree with you.  His stat lines aren't going to line up all the time.  His Miami game is the outlier - The 100 yard rushing games are probably more frequent than that.  

[Figster]

7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

He just had 3 tds against a defense that was undefeated and off to a record start.

Honest question: do you think our record would be different with Mayfield?

Honest answer, no

 

Coaching/ good game planning matters...

 

...Buffalo also has an easier schedule IMO...

Edited November 6, 2019 by Figster

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

But 2 were on the ground and that really has nothing to do with being a good QB. That 1 TD was his only passing TD in his last 3 games for crying out loud. The game before that he had 1 TD and 3 INTs vs the Steelers. He had almost as many TDs vs Miami that he's had in the other 7 games combined. Passing wise he has cooled way off from early in the year, there's is absolutely no denying that.

 

He isn't just a passer

[Pokebball]

9 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

He just had 3 tds against a defense that was undefeated and off to a record start.

Honest question: do you think our record would be different with Mayfield?

Let me answer your question this way...I think Cleveland would have more wins if Allen was their QB.

Edited November 6, 2019 by Pokebball

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

Just now, dneveu said:

 

He isn't just a passer

But that doesn't make him a good QB, it makes him good at running the ball.

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, billsfan89 said:

Josh has improved tremendously in the short and intermediate range, he has regressed somewhat with his downfield passing. I think weighing both elements of his game I would say he has improved overall. I am very curious to see how he improves or develops the rest of the way. Through 8 games he has already shown significant growth. 

I think they should run more deep routes where the receiver is running across the field as opposed to straight down the sideline. Those are easier throws to gauge

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 hour ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

But that doesn't make him a good QB, it makes him good at running the ball.

 

I think it does.  He's still completing 65% of passes at about a 200 YPG clip... and adding 80 per game on the ground.  He's a dynamic playmaker, who plays QB.  It's just different.  His numbers will never match up with other QBs - and that's OK.  They're winning games, and scoring points.  

[quinnearlysghost88]

Yes, he's getting better. Also, 17 drops is unacceptable.  

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

55 minutes ago, the skycap said:

I think they should run more deep routes where the receiver is running across the field as opposed to straight down the sideline. Those are easier throws to gauge

 

They do this a lot already.  The deep shots are really called because it creates a hi/lo read that is super quick, you know right off the bat whether you have the throw or not - and if you don't you know where else to go with the ball.

[r00tabaga]

 as of this writing the troll count is at 17.

[John from Riverside]

To those spouting "but he hasnt improved enough"

 

Umn.....yes he has....you know how I know this?

 

WE ARE WINNING

[HappyDays]

I don't see how anyone can argue with the fact that he has improved but needs to continue improving to reach franchise level. Anyone who says he is the same passer as last year, or that he is already good enough, isn't paying attention.

[H2o]

5 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

 

Is it too late to change this to a PUBLIC poll?

 

I don't think you need it to be a public poll my friend. It's pretty easy by the posts in this thread to count the "no's" 

31 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

Yes, he's getting better. Also, 17 drops is unacceptable.  

And a couple of those drops turned into INT's on the ricochet. 

[Pokebball]

3 minutes ago, H2o said:

I don't think you need it to be a public poll my friend. It's pretty easy by the posts in this thread to count the "no's" 

And a couple of those drops turned into INT's on the ricochet. 

6%, or about 1/10th of JAs pass completion percentage believe he is not improving  

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Honest question: do you think our record would be different with Mayfield?

 

Well, the Browns are scoring less points per game than the Bills despite having substantially more talent. I would take any receiver or running back on their team over their counterpart here, yet they are scoring less points. So yes, I think our record would be different with Mayfield here. What makes you think it wouldn't be?

Edited November 6, 2019 by HappyDays

[Dablitzkrieg]

Watch the cover 1 show on YouTube last night with Sal C.  Clearly footwork was better this game.  I am impressed with seeing this progression

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

He just had 3 tds against a defense that was undefeated and off to a record start.

Honest question: do you think our record would be different with Mayfield?

So what do you think big guy, you didn't say? Mayfield Bills record, Allen Browns record. You implied it would be something different. Explain instead of asking questions.

Edited November 6, 2019 by D. L. Hot-Flamethrower

[JESSEFEFFER]

2 hours ago, Figster said:

Passing yardage is always at the top of the list. Throw for 300 or you suck. 

 

Here's the thing though, there will come a time say against the Chiefs for instance that the 300 yard game may become necessary. Mahomes and company comes at you fast a furious. Fall to far behind and game over. 

 

Is Allen improving? Yes, most fans agree. With that being said Josh Allen still has a long way to go to take down the A Rodgers or Mahomes of the NFL IMO.

 

Winning an offensive shootout is the box not yet checked.  I think it will come on Thanksiving, Romo and Nance will be gushing like when they beat the Vikes last year and the lack of national respect we've been discussing will start to die.

[DC Tom]

I vote no.  He seems to have plateaued.  

 

Not that I'm worried about it though.  Let's see if he improves next year.

[Jobot]

It's understanding opposing defenses better that he needs to improve on.  He can throw the ball just fine (improve as a passer not necessary), we need him to be able to identify and react more quickly.  This comes with time and repetition.

[Reed83HOF]

2 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

But 2 were on the ground and that really has nothing to do with being a good QB. That 1 TD was his only passing TD in his last 3 games for crying out loud. The game before that he had 1 TD and 3 INTs vs the Steelers. He had almost as many TDs vs Miami that he's had in the other 7 games combined. Passing wise he has cooled way off from early in the year, there's is absolutely no denying that.

 

Take a look at the first 4 games, then the last 4 games. He's not the same QB passing wise.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/3916387/lamar-jackson

 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

1 hour ago, dneveu said:

 

I think it does.  He's still completing 65% of passes at about a 200 YPG clip... and adding 80 per game on the ground.  He's a dynamic playmaker, who plays QB.  It's just different.  His numbers will never match up with other QBs - and that's OK.  They're winning games, and scoring points.  

Once again look at his first four games and the last four games. The Ravens shocked the NFL by coming out slinging the ball to start the year, by games 5-8 the NFL caught on to the passing game and he had to revert back to a running QB. 

 

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/3916387/lamar-jackson 

[Reed83HOF]

5 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

Once again look at his first four games and the last four games. The Ravens shocked the NFL by coming out slinging the ball to start the year, by games 5-8 the NFL caught on to the passing game and he had to revert back to a running QB. 

 

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/3916387/lamar-jackson 

Opponents will play Jackson like Balt played against Tyrod, they will force him to be a QB and beat them that way. Caveat, Lamar is a much more explosive and elusive runner and the 3 TE sets are tougher to defend; Roman has done a damn good job in creating a system around him, but eventually the gaps in the system & Lamar will be exposed . The question is, can Lamar develop enough to overcome that. This is the same question that every young QB has to deal with...

[JaCrispy]

1 hour ago, r00tabaga said:

 as of this writing the troll count is at 17.

Your post bumps it up to 18...?

[Scott7975]

3 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

He just had 3 tds against a defense that was undefeated and off to a record start.

Honest question: do you think our record would be different with Mayfield?

 

Yes,  I think it would be worse.

 

Quote

Beckham was open for what could have been a touchdown on a crucial 4th down against the Denver Broncos last weekend, but Baker Mayfield didn’t see him. He was then overheard by a CBS reporter complaining about not getting the ball, and you can’t really blame him. Both he and Jarvis Landry were open, but Mayfield simply missed them.

While Kitchens and Cleveland’s offensive line deserve much of the blame for the Browns being 2-6, Mayfield has taken a huge step back. He is the only quarterback in the NFL who currently has more interceptions than touchdowns on dropbacks when he’s not pressured, and his passer rating is the lowest in the NFL when he’s not pressured. Given the expectations heading into the season, any wide receiver would be frustrated with how things have gone.

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, H2o said:

I don't think you need it to be a public poll my friend. It's pretty easy by the posts in this thread to count the "no's" 

And a couple of those drops turned into INT's on the ricochet. 

yeah but I’m lazy.  It’s easier to click results 

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[Tcali]

slightly. and improving overall as well....slightly.

we should expect more than 1 and 1/2 qtrs of solid football per game.

Still way too much time when nothing really happens.

[HOUSE]

This poll is sooooo close, it could go either way...

 

 

 

Edited November 7, 2019 by HOUSE

[Locomark]

Yes he is improving and yes he should continue to improve. His Wyoming background may mean it may be year 4 before we see his full potential, which I think is a top 10 QB. 

Edited November 7, 2019 by Locomark

[PlayoffsPlease]

From the end of last season to the beginning of this season he definitely improved.  Have not really seen any meaningful additional improvement during the season. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

With these kind of things No way

 

 

Josh Allen is the fourth QB in @NFL history to have at least 20 passing touchdowns and 12 rushing touchdowns over their first two seasons.
 

[Orlando Tim]

2 hours ago, Tcali said:

slightly. and improving overall as well....slightly.

we should expect more than 1 and 1/2 qtrs of solid football per game.

Still way too much time when nothing really happens.

How do you only see slightly from the last 4 games, I would extend back to game two except for pats*-he is a competent game manager right now which he was not before, he clearly learns during games and his running game can not pick up 3rd and 1 unless he is running, he is more a plus than negative on a 6-2 team. I did not expect him to be this good this fast.

[Happy]

Josh Allen is improving, but still has more to do.  I'd rather have Josh than Darnold, Rosen, or Mayfield.  

[r00tabaga]

3 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Your post bumps it up to 18...?

There's no way anybody, fan of the team or not, can honestly say that he hasn't improved from last season. 

From Wyoming (think about that for a sec) to rookie year...and now year 2....c'mon your just trollin' if you think otherwise!

 

Finished product? No. Nobody is saying that. 

[JaCrispy]

4 minutes ago, r00tabaga said:

There's no way anybody, fan of the team or not, can honestly say that he hasn't improved from last season. 

From Wyoming (think about that for a sec) to rookie year...and now year 2....c'mon your just trollin' if you think otherwise!

 

Finished product? No. Nobody is saying that. 

Exactly...I agree 100%
 

Just bustin’ balls earlier...?

[Meatloaf63]

7 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

7 TDs & only 1 INT, in his last 4 games. 6 of the 7 TDs were in the redzone & 5 were to WRs(All weak points last year). Yeah he's improving. 

 

For comparison...Some are treating Lamar like he's God, he runs a lot I get it, but in his last 4 games he had games of 161 yards, 236 yards, 143 yards & 163 yards with only 2 TDs & 3 INTs. Matter of fact take the Miami game out and he has only 7 TDs & 5 INTs in his other 7 games. 

Did you watch the New England game? The dude is in control and executing that offense confidently at a high rate. He may not be putting up the numbers and I don’t know if it’s sustainable for the long hall, but the dude is ball’n....

[ExiledInIllinois]

Mods, can you make this public so we can shame the 29 people who don't think Josh is improving.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

1 minute ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Did you watch the New England game? The dude is in control and executing that offense confidently at a high rate. He may not be putting up the numbers and I don’t know if it’s sustainable for the long hall, but the dude is ball’n....

He did have some plays, I'll give you that, but at the end of the day 163 passing and 61 rushing for a total of 224 yards of offense. That's on 39 plays he either passed or ran(23 passes, 16 rushes). Around here if you're not throwing for 300+ yards a game you a failure at QB. Heck if Josh doesn't throw for more than 224 yards this place implodes. 

[Meatloaf63]

1 minute ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

He did have some plays, I'll give you that, but at the end of the day 163 passing and 61 rushing for a total of 224 yards of offense. That's on 39 plays he either passed or ran(23 passes, 16 rushes). Around here if you're not throwing for 300+ yards a game you a failure at QB. Heck if Josh doesn't throw for more than 224 yards this place implodes. 

I don’t care about 300 yards. I care about execution. I will say it may only have been one game, but that offense is directly designed to accentuate his strengths and it did what nobody else could do to the New England defense. I can’t say that Daboll is Always doing the same thing here, Yes we are 6-2 but there are long stretches where you just say WTF Daboll. I guess the second half of this season will tell more of that tale.

[GoBills808]

19 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

I don’t care about 300 yards. I care about execution. I will say it may only have been one game, but that offense is directly designed to accentuate his strengths and it did what nobody else could do to the New England defense. I can’t say that Daboll is Always doing the same thing here, Yes we are 6-2 but there are long stretches where you just say WTF Daboll. I guess the second half of this season will tell more of that tale.

Jackson didn't do what 'nobody else could do'...the Pats defense is giving up about 150 yards per game and Jackson threw for 163. He did pretty much what every QB does against the Patriots. The story was Ingram's 7.7 YPC and the Ravens' 210 total rushing yards. 

 

By comparison, Bills QBs threw for 280 yards against the Patriots. The difference was Jackson didn't throw any picks and Allen threw 3 and Barkley 1.