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Simple poll. Is Josh Allen improving as a passer?

Is Josh Allen improving as a passer?  

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  1. 1. Is Josh improving as a passer?

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    • No
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1 minute ago, dakrider said:

He's static and has hit a wall.  He'll never be better than 52% completion rate, 56% completion rate, 61% completion rate or be good in the short passing game, complete the deep ball

 

 

There, you forgot a couple things

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I don't think anybody that has actually watched our games could possibly say no.

 

But this is TBD, after all.

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70% completion on sunday. That number would have been impossible last year.

 

Josh Allen is boring now. He just completes passes efficiently and accurately. Jump over a dude man!
 

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Yes has improved alot. He has tremendous upside still and will likely continue to move towards that because of his makeup, barring serious injury of course.

 

I want to know who the bums are that said no? I could probably guess. I mean there is still the 300 yard crew around, you know the ones who evaluate QB play based on total yards. There is actually a guy on Bills Wire who thought Sam Darnold had a better game than Josh on Sunday. LMFAO. One guy had a111.6 rating another 85.4, guess who?

 

Nick Wojton-"It’s hard to say Allen had a bad game. He did what was asked. But his game still wasn’t good. A push seems right.

Allen finished the game 14-for-20 passing for 160 yards and a touchdown. He also had eight carries for 12 yards and a rushing score. For comparison sake, the Jets lost to the Dolphins but quarterback Sam Darnold was still 27-for-39 passing for 260 yards with a touchdown and interception. OK, he didn’t win, but that stat line is much better."

 

 

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Overall passing has improved greatly but seems to have lost the touch on the deep ball. Once he puts it all together,  watch out. 

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1 hour ago, ALLEN1QB said:

I voted no because somebody had to.

Contrarian! But fear not, there is a sizable contingent of endemic naysayers who will happily take up that mantle :D

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    Since the beginning of the season we have watched him grow.

     The short throw accuracy is improved through mechanics and not putting too much zip( thought he still has some work to do on the zip)

     The hero ball and decision making are where i see the most improvement. He’s throwing the ball away in situations that he would force last year and earlier this year. By my count it’s three games in a row where he hasn’t done something completely boneheaded .

     The O as a whole is still very much a work in progress.

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30 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Yes has improved alot. He has tremendous upside still and will likely continue to move towards that because of his makeup, barring serious injury of course.

 

I want to know who the bums are that said no? I could probably guess. I mean there is still the 300 yard crew around, you know the ones who evaluate QB play based on total yards. There is actually a guy on Bills Wire who thought Sam Darnold had a better game than Josh on Sunday. LMFAO. One guy had a111.6 rating another 85.4, guess who?

 

Nick Wojton-"It’s hard to say Allen had a bad game. He did what was asked. But his game still wasn’t good. A push seems right.

Allen finished the game 14-for-20 passing for 160 yards and a touchdown. He also had eight carries for 12 yards and a rushing score. For comparison sake, the Jets lost to the Dolphins but quarterback Sam Darnold was still 27-for-39 passing for 260 yards with a touchdown and interception. OK, he didn’t win, but that stat line is much better."

 

 

Ask Stafford how many playoff wins his stats lines have gotten the Lions for example?

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Over 94%

 

Now ask yourself, do you think Daboll might deserve a little credit?

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3 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Contrarian! But fear not, there is a sizable contingent of endemic naysayers who will happily take up that mantle :D

Always room for improvement.  Always another rung on the ladder.

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2 minutes ago, Figster said:

Over 94%

 

Now ask yourself, do you think Daboll might deserve a little credit?

Yes. The harping against Daboll is one of the most annoying elements on TBD right now. 

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31 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Yes has improved alot. He has tremendous upside still and will likely continue to move towards that because of his makeup, barring serious injury of course.

 

I want to know who the bums are that said no? I could probably guess. I mean there is still the 300 yard crew around, you know the ones who evaluate QB play based on total yards. There is actually a guy on Bills Wire who thought Sam Darnold had a better game than Josh on Sunday. LMFAO. One guy had a111.6 rating another 85.4, guess who?

 

Nick Wojton-"It’s hard to say Allen had a bad game. He did what was asked. But his game still wasn’t good. A push seems right.

Allen finished the game 14-for-20 passing for 160 yards and a touchdown. He also had eight carries for 12 yards and a rushing score. For comparison sake, the Jets lost to the Dolphins but quarterback Sam Darnold was still 27-for-39 passing for 260 yards with a touchdown and interception. OK, he didn’t win, but that stat line is much better."

 

 

 

This is such a strange statement.  Buffalo scored more points.  Had a better 3rd down conversion rate, were better in the Red zone, better yards per completion, no picks, got sacked less... They ran it 39 times because they were winning basically the entire game.  

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35 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Yes has improved alot. He has tremendous upside still and will likely continue to move towards that because of his makeup, barring serious injury of course.

 

I want to know who the bums are that said no? I could probably guess. I mean there is still the 300 yard crew around, you know the ones who evaluate QB play based on total yards. There is actually a guy on Bills Wire who thought Sam Darnold had a better game than Josh on Sunday. LMFAO. One guy had a111.6 rating another 85.4, guess who?

 

Nick Wojton-"It’s hard to say Allen had a bad game. He did what was asked. But his game still wasn’t good. A push seems right.

Allen finished the game 14-for-20 passing for 160 yards and a touchdown. He also had eight carries for 12 yards and a rushing score. For comparison sake, the Jets lost to the Dolphins but quarterback Sam Darnold was still 27-for-39 passing for 260 yards with a touchdown and interception. OK, he didn’t win, but that stat line is much better."

 

 

Was Nick Wojton dropped on his head as an infant? That is perhaps the most idiotic point ever made about QB stats. 

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yes.  He’s making better decisions with the football and is really good now with the short to intermediate stuff.

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4 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Ask Stafford how many playoff wins his stats lines have gotten the Lions for example?

 

Raw passing numbers don't tell a whole story anyway.  He put up that stat line.. in a losing effort... against the consensus worst team in football and worst defense in football. 

 

In 13 extra attempts Darnold threw for 1 more pick, 1 fewer TD and about 60 more yards against Miami... 

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4 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

This is such a strange statement.  Buffalo scored more points.  Had a better 3rd down conversion rate, were better in the Red zone, better yards per completion, no picks, got sacked less... They ran it 39 times because they were winning basically the entire game.  

and the winds were a blowin

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Just now, Figster said:

Over 94%

 

Now ask yourself, do you think Daboll might deserve a little credit?

 

I think him and Dorsey deserve a lot of credit. He had a weakness last year and it was addressed this year.

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3 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

and the winds were a blowin

 

Yeah - Wentz had 170 yards passing the week before and maybe 2 completions that i remember that were down the field.  They had a few good short passes that got lots of yardage.  Stat line doesn't show that like all of his scrambles were first downs either. 

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Josh has improved tremendously in the short and intermediate range, he has regressed somewhat with his downfield passing. I think weighing both elements of his game I would say he has improved overall. I am very curious to see how he improves or develops the rest of the way. Through 8 games he has already shown significant growth. 

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50 minutes ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

Yes has improved alot. He has tremendous upside still and will likely continue to move towards that because of his makeup, barring serious injury of course.

 

I want to know who the bums are that said no? I could probably guess. I mean there is still the 300 yard crew around, you know the ones who evaluate QB play based on total yards. There is actually a guy on Bills Wire who thought Sam Darnold had a better game than Josh on Sunday. LMFAO. One guy had a111.6 rating another 85.4, guess who?

 

Nick Wojton-"It’s hard to say Allen had a bad game. He did what was asked. But his game still wasn’t good. A push seems right.

Allen finished the game 14-for-20 passing for 160 yards and a touchdown. He also had eight carries for 12 yards and a rushing score. For comparison sake, the Jets lost to the Dolphins but quarterback Sam Darnold was still 27-for-39 passing for 260 yards with a touchdown and interception. OK, he didn’t win, but that stat line is much better."

 

 

The guy obviously doesn't take into account that Darnold got 8 of his completions, 80+ of those yards, and his only TD on a meaningless, late 4th qtr drive where the Dolphins had the game in hand. People are stupid. 

 

About Josh though? Definitely shown improvement and progressively doing so. The answer is yes and yes with it being in tandem. 

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Yes and no.  At times he looks like it's clicking in and at other times he reverts back to doing things he should have nailed by now, such as not throwing the ball away and not sliding.  What I'd also like to see is more play action and screens (but that may be on play calling, not him).

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1 hour ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

 

Is it too late to change this to a PUBLIC poll?

 

I think that can be done. U know we are experts on the polls

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Simple answer yes. It might now be as much as people wanted at this point but he is indeed improving. 

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