Hebert19 Posted October 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Sounds like a great recipe for cap hell. How? That makes no sense. We are youngest team in league and rookies making impact. We have 80m in space next yest and are making non long term commitments. Also this year our short term prove it contracts have worked great and...guess what. No cap jail as they are done after 1 year. 1 minute ago, rayray808 said: when baby Gamora asks Beane after our Super Bowl if it was worth it... damn right it was worth it This might be the most perfect response even on this board. Love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Sounds like a great recipe for cap hell. I’m glad we freed up all that cap space over two lost seasons to never spend it. Beanie is a genius! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: How? That makes no sense. We are youngest team in league and rookies making impact. We have 80m in space next yest and are making non long term commitments. Also this year our short term prove it contracts have worked great and...guess what. No cap jail as they are done after 1 year. This might be the most perfect response even on this board. Love it We're not. We're one of the oldest teams in the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) If Allen were lighting it up and showing he was on his way to being a legit franchise QB then I’d be all for trading high picks to make a serious playoff run. There’s still too much uncertainty for me to want to do that. Edited October 13, 2019 by Bangarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bangarang said: If Allen we’re lighting it up and showing he was on his way to being a legit franchise QB then I’d be all for trading high licks to make a serous playoff run. There’s still too much uncertainty for me to want to do that. That's Bob Kraft's ideal form of trade currency. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted October 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, MJS said: We're not. We're one of the oldest teams in the league. 1 year older than youngest with our oldest players on expiring contracts. Gore Alexander will be gone and we have option to dump others at low cap hits. We have 14 starters in their first 3 years in league with plug and play people in other positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, Bangarang said: If Allen we’re lighting it up and showing he was on his way to being a legit franchise QB then I’d be all for trading high licks to make a serous playoff run. There’s still too much uncertainty for me to want to do that. I know. Let's see a 300yd 3td game before we say championship. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Yuck, I'd go McCaffrey, Kuechly, JJ Watt, Cooper Kupp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 hour ago, pi2000 said: I like the idea... but this team isnt quite there yet. Allen is still somewhat of a project. Maybe in a couple years if he takes those next steps, but making those types of deals this season would be a bit premature. Now is the only time you can make those moves. Once you are paying him $35m a year you can’t anymore. that is the entire point. 27 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: No to either imo- wrong side of 30 with a high cap hits. Add in the injury bug for Green and it just doesn’t make sense. but that’s the entire point, again. You are looking for 3 year type of deals that come off the books when you have to pay Allen, tre, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSarcasm Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 hour ago, LikeIGiveADarn said: I actually don't mind the idea of moving our 1st for a WR. We are going to draft one next year in the 1st anyqay, why not guarantee we get ourselvea a good one? Why not just draft a young WR then? Cheap and a proven process guy. I'd rather buy a new Honda than an old Cadillac. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Now is the only time you can make those moves. Once you are paying him $35m a year you can’t anymore. that is the entire point. but that’s the entire point, again. You are looking for 3 year type of deals that come off the books when you have to pay Allen, tre, etc... 12 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Now is the only time you can make those moves. Once you are paying him $35m a year you can’t anymore. that is the entire point. but that’s the entire point, again. You are looking for 3 year type of deals that come off the books when you have to pay Allen, tre, etc... I still don’t like it- I think AJ is done- could be wrong but all signs point that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said: Why not just draft a young WR then? Cheap and a proven process guy. I'd rather buy a new Honda than an old Cadillac. ? Because we don’t want to waste two years on another Zay Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said: I still don’t like it- I think AJ is done- could be wrong but all signs point that way. it’s one thing to worry about the particular player/injury but globally it’s a strategy we should pursue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSarcasm Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Just now, BringBackOrton said: Because we don’t want to waste two years on another Zay Jones. Zay was a 2nd not 1st rounder and you can't hit every pick. Also I'd be interested to know of the 2nd round or later WRs that are currently WR1 on any team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 20 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: 1 year older than youngest with our oldest players on expiring contracts. Gore Alexander will be gone and we have option to dump others at low cap hits. We have 14 starters in their first 3 years in league with plug and play people in other positions. I get all that. But we're still not a young team. And I doubt we'll be a young team next year or any year under Mcdermott. McDermott likes to have experienced veteran leaders in every position group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Virgil said: I’m sorry, wby doe our defense need more help? But good job not completely falling into the Trent Williams and Diggs/Green trap Until this past Sunday we had 7 sacks, one of the fewest in the league until we went off. Hughes is our only true pass rusher and he only had 7 last season. We need a legit pass rusher opposite of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Elway is already on the hot seat. If he traded Miller when Chubb is already on IR the fan base would go nuts out here. He would be in "tank mode" and wouldn't survive. So Elway loses Miller and takes huge dead money hits for a late round 1st. SMH, is this the kind of trades they do in Madden? LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, MrSarcasm said: Zay was a 2nd not 1st rounder and you can't hit every pick. Also I'd be interested to know of the 2nd round or later WRs that are currently WR1 on any team. Exactly, you can’t hit on every pick. Which is why trading a pick for a proven guy who may be on the back half of his career is kinda what the topic is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: Until this past Sunday we had 7 sacks, one of the fewest in the league until we went off. Hughes is our only true pass rusher and he only had 7 last season. We need a legit pass rusher opposite of him. I used to feel that way, but I’m seeing how the focus on containment, but for the run and keeping the QB in the pocket has an affect on the offenses. I’m sure there’s an in-between, but I believe the pass rush is close to how they want it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: I'm with you. Fans are so used to being "in the hunt" that they can't shoot for more. The door is wide open for the Bills this year. The schedule will NOT be this easy next year... I absolutely think they should go all in for the #1 seed. Then you try to win two games at home and see what happens in the Super Bowl. How do you know it won’t be as easy next year? Maybe the rest of the league isn’t as good and we’re getting better. Also, you never know how it shakes out. We all thought Pitt was a tough game, and now it looks like a W. I don’t think Miller makes much sense for this team. He’s on the decline and paid a ton. Green would be worth a shot for a mid-round pick. I wouldnt mind going after Diggs, if available, and have an LA Rams type WR group. Even then, that doesn’t make much sense if Foster can return the second half of ‘18 Robert Foster form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 First and a third for both players? I think that is what Miller would go for by himself. Green's value is probably fairly low though because the guy can't stay healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Hear me out: I’m thinking of starting another AJ Green thread 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Yuck, I'd go McCaffrey, Kuechly, JJ Watt, Cooper Kupp. Finally, someone talking sense in these what the Bills should do threads. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Our defense is VERY good....right as it is right now.....without any further additions (except a LB in next year's draft) We have starters and depth at all the key positions....we are literally winning every game if we can score 2 touchdowns right now What we do NOT have is an offense that can score 30 plus points At some point....we need to bypass the great defensive talent that comes available....and start taking shots at the great offensive talent Not that our team has really been doing that anyway? Look at the free agents we have signed.....and just solid drafting. We need this offense to get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Hebert19 said: We are still in good shape long term that's best part. Nothing changes and we have cap space. We lose 1 year of draft picks for a chance to win superbowl. We have a chance to win the super bowl. What don’t you understand? Our team is very good. If we decide not to trade for either of them, we still have a chance to win the super bowl. You act as if the only way to compete for a title is by giving up a year of draft picks. You’re wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 4 hours ago, Hebert19 said: So. Here is my question. If you take current team and add AJ green and von miller...could we win the superbowl? I say yes. So what would the cost be? My guess is a first and a 3rd. Maybe we swap some later picks too. If so. And we believe allen is the guy. And we have our D under contract next year. We have our 2 receivers under contract as well as our tight ends. We also have singletary. We also have a ton of cap room. So the core of this team...which is pretty good will be back next year no matter what and yes we will have less draft picks but we have money to add pieces via free agency again on short term contracts. So nothing lost really. If you could make these trades knowing that this team is still a 10-6 team next year...would you make a run at the cost of a top WR and lineman in the draft? Keep in mind. We will be picking mid 20s likely so the picks aren't slam dunks. To me. We need to try and win it this year. No. Who knows what kind of shape AJ is in and Von is great but so is our defense. We need to run more and then we will score more. If we dont win this year and even If we do , McBeane will get the right guys in here to get the job done. The Process is a never ending self evaluation of improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Do people not understand that AJ Green hasn't played a down this year? He is hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 I still think diggs would be a good get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 7 hours ago, Hebert19 said: So. Here is my question. If you take current team and add AJ green and von miller...could we win the superbowl? I say yes. So what would the cost be? My guess is a first and a 3rd. Maybe we swap some later picks too. If so. And we believe allen is the guy. And we have our D under contract next year. We have our 2 receivers under contract as well as our tight ends. We also have singletary. We also have a ton of cap room. So the core of this team...which is pretty good will be back next year no matter what and yes we will have less draft picks but we have money to add pieces via free agency again on short term contracts. So nothing lost really. If you could make these trades knowing that this team is still a 10-6 team next year...would you make a run at the cost of a top WR and lineman in the draft? Keep in mind. We will be picking mid 20s likely so the picks aren't slam dunks. To me. We need to try and win it this year. Busting feels good, but it feels better if you build up to it, stay there for a long time and win it (maybe even more than once). Dont wanna be the team that wins it....Then has to sit in it's own mess in shame, missing the playoffs after, or generally limping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) There's 2 games before the trade deadline and I would think that Beane will take a close look at what he has using these games as a test. First up the Fins. My guess is that they'll have a pass happy game. Lets see what Duke Williams can do now that he's had a game under his belt. And I imagine Robert Foster will be back. They'll take a close look as to whether this WR core can handle some more aggressive passing and determine whether they need another WR. Second is the Eagles which will be a big test for both the O and D against some stronger competition. DeSean Jackson and Alshon Jeffrey should be back by then and we'll see how the D handles all that. Also plenty of test there for the O to show a complete balance game. I would think that any deal would be triggered after those tests. Maybe someone like Emmanuele Sanders (in last year of contract) could be a WR target? Also, I'm thinking Geno Atkins DT from Bengals as an upgrade over Peko might work. If they need a LB, it could be someone like Bucannon who was just cut by Bucs and they don't have to give anything up for. They should be able to get all three w/o parting w/ 2020 first round pick... Edited October 13, 2019 by cage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 Von Miller is a deal I absolutely would do. My only nervousness there is he has played almost exclusively as an outside backer in a 34 and you are going to suddenly ask him to be a 43 end. I am just willing to trust that his talent is such that he can adjust pretty quickly. I am not in on AJ Green as I have said in multiple other threads. The OP says think 1 year... okay.... I am thinking how much help can a 31 year old injury prone receiver who hasn't even stepped foot on a practice field for months be this year? I have been a huge AJ Green fan and I did speculate on making a move for him in the spring after the AB thing fell through. But I am off the bus. I don't know how much good football there is left in AJ Green and even if there is some I don't know how much of it is going to be on display in the 2019 season. OBJ - yes. Diggs - yes. AJ Green - no. 33 minutes ago, cage said: If they need a LB, it could be someone like Bucannon who was just cut by Bucs and they don't have to give anything up for. They should be able to get all three w/o parting w/ 2020 first round pick... There is a reason the Buccs just cut Bucannon - a guy that those coaches were involved in drafting in the 1st round during their run in Arizona. That reason is he is not very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 9 hours ago, Hebert19 said: Hes part of the 80M we have available And ps. Hes only 8M hit if cut after June 1 2020. Thanks for breaking it down for the conservative, fiscal hawks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 9 hours ago, Virgil said: Brady had one of the worst games of his career against this defense. Mahomes does most of his damage outside of the pocket. Our defense plays amazing contain, and will then sack you if you try to escape. Just ask Mariota He’s played like a backup (statistically) over the last 5 games. This D can contain him. If Allen has the composure he showed against the Titans, we shouldn’t write off week 16 @NE. Not unlikely that the Pats are sitting at 13 wins and the Bills 12 in a battle for the division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 9 hours ago, The Wiz said: And what happens next year with Von Miller and his 25m cap hit and we need to sign our own? Who cares we won the SB !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 54 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: There is a reason the Buccs just cut Bucannon - a guy that those coaches were involved in drafting in the 1st round during their run in Arizona. That reason is he is not very good. True, but they don't need a starter at LB, just a strong back-up and ST contributor. Plus again, he wouldn't cost anything in trade compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 So we’re getting von Miller for a mid 20’s first rounder? Sounds good. Which end spot is he playing? We cutting Hughes playing time more? Or Lawson who has arguably been the most impactful on the line? I don’t think he helps this defense as a linebacker dropping into coverage. I mean I get it, he’s Von Miller, but I’ve always been the “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” kinda person. On top of the fact that there’s zero chance the broncos are letting him go that cheaply. At minimum they would have to get 2 first rounders for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRT88 Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 I don’t believe the offensive line is good enough this year. I think the von Miller move would unnecessary and would rather get a RT. I don’t see the brass swallowing their pride as they have so much invested in Cody Ford. He’s in over his head right now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 24 minutes ago, cage said: True, but they don't need a starter at LB, just a strong back-up and ST contributor. Plus again, he wouldn't cost anything in trade compensation. I think the backups on our team are better than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 11 hours ago, LikeIGiveADarn said: I actually don't mind the idea of moving our 1st for a WR. We are going to draft one next year in the 1st anyqay, why not guarantee we get ourselvea a good one? Is he a good one. Well maybe I'll watch today's Bengals game and see how he does, or highlights from last week. I'll have to look up his stats from the Bills game. Or look at last years hightlights, or maybe 2 years back.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harv shitz Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 15 hours ago, pi2000 said: I like the idea... but this team isnt quite there yet. Allen is still somewhat of a project. Maybe in a couple years if he takes those next steps, but making those types of deals this season would be a bit premature. I agree with you, somewhat, however, this team is, defensively, Super Bowl ready. We aren't really that far away, overall, and the time may be right to take a shot at it. Special teams, especially the punting game, need addressed immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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