thenorthremembers Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Allen is on pace for over 4000 yards passing 26 total touchdowns and 22 picks. Over the last 40 years only two Bills qbs have had better seasons Kelly in 89 and 91 and Bledsoe in 2002. Still not a huge fan of Allen but wondering if this changes anyones thought on him or if its a larger reflection on how bad the qb play has been here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 I am a huge Allen fan and what excites me most is that he's on pace to go 13-3 this year. Yeah 4000 sounds nice! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Allen is only going to continue to get better. He's a gamer and I think going to lead this franchise to a lot of playoff victories over the next decade. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 I overreacted to his INT yesterday, but we all have to remember that a 23 year old from Wyoming, who was a one man gang, is working with 9 nine new starters. We have to be patient, things might actually work out. ? 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) While he makes some big mistakes, Allen is a gamer. He elevates his game in the 4th quarter when we need it the most. It's the "it" factor that many other Bills QBs have lacked. Fitz, for example, had many huge games with big passing numbers and multiple TDs. When the game was on the line, however, he usually threw a pick or fumbled the ball. Tyrod was a little different. He didn't have the big passing numbers that Fitz had, but he similarly lacked the ability to get it done when the game was on the line. Rather than a pick or fumble, Tyrod meekly turned it over on downs. ☹️ Edited October 8, 2019 by msw2112 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 I hope to god he slows down that INT rate. If he can remain efficient without the turnovers, we will have something on our hands. 4 minutes ago, njbuff said: I overreacted to his INT yesterday, but we all have to remember that a 23 year old from Wyoming, who was a one man gang, is working with 9 nine new starters. We have to be patient, things might actually work out. ? I did too. He does need to keep that number a lot lower than its at but each pick from here on out will make me cringe more than it probably should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 We all want instant gratification but he has 16 starts, a new surrounding cast and miles of heart. His future and the team's looks good. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Let's hope he gets those interceptions down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 I also over-reacted to the pick. He bounced back nicely. Then again, most of his picks were against good defenses like the Pats, the Titans, and the Jests (back when they were still good....?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 I want him to be great. If he can tone down being a turnover machine, throw more TDs and lead this team to wins over good teams then I will fully buy into him being our franchise QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Allen played a great game yesterday. Love that it came a week after maybe his worse half of football. Allen is going to break a ton of Bills records if not all of them and get us a Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, Bangarang said: I want him to be great. If he can tone down being a turnover machine, throw more TDs and lead this team to wins over good teams then I will fully buy into him being our franchise QB. Titans are a good team, and a fair test of our strength. We did well, better than the score suggests. And as much as we hate them, the Patriots are an elite football operation not just on O but also on D. We were overmatched from the beginning, and the game was never as close as the score suggests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMAKCruiser Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Where is he on pace for 4000 yards? Currently he projects to just under 3600 with 16 tds and 22 ints passing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) When Allen was drafted, most of us knew that he was fairly raw by NFL standards. What we are witnessing is his apprenticeship. I believe that he is making good progress with the expected bumps in the road, and the sudden demands of a team on the rise. The very things that should make him an even better quarterback in the future. Edited October 8, 2019 by Rocket94 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRA3196 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 I am all for letting the kid play his game, his way. He is smart, he WILL figure it out. Last year he got blasted in the draft for his completion percentage. He finished at what yesterday? Will he make mistakes? Yup. Love his drive determination and heart. The sky is the limit for him and the team. We have a young defense, an offense still trying to gel, a ST coach who is learning on the fly, and yet we are 4-1. Can't say enough about what Beane and McDermott are building in Buffalo. Its been a long long time coming. and with the type of culture that has been created and the "process" that is currently in place. I am going to enjoy every second of this rollercoaster ride. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 6 minutes ago, SMAKCruiser said: Where is he on pace for 4000 yards? Currently he projects to just under 3600 with 16 tds and 22 ints passing probably includes his rushing yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 52 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Allen is on pace for over 4000 yards passing 26 total touchdowns and 22 picks. Over the last 40 years only two Bills qbs have had better seasons Kelly in 89 and 91 and Bledsoe in 2002. Still not a huge fan of Allen but wondering if this changes anyones thought on him or if its a larger reflection on how bad the qb play has been here? I think we’ll need an entire season to see what he has. By Week 16, if we aren’t sure whether he’s the Bills QB of the future that’s an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 49 minutes ago, njbuff said: I overreacted to his INT yesterday, but we all have to remember that a 23 year old from Wyoming, who was a one man gang, is working with 9 nine new starters. We have to be patient, things might actually work out. ? Yeldon should take the L for the INT...why did he just stop running the route? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 51 minutes ago, njbuff said: I overreacted to his INT yesterday, but we all have to remember that a 23 year old from Wyoming, who was a one man gang, is working with 9 nine new starters. We have to be patient, things might actually work out. ? THIS. I think a lot of people forget that Josh was the LEAST NFL-ready of all the QB’s coming out last year. While he’s progressed quicker than I think a lot of us expected, he’s still raw. He was never going to be a Mahomes. We all knew that. He was supposed to be a couple-year project. The fact that he’s where he is as quickly as he got here is a blessing, IMO. And he should still have a long way to go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 12 minutes ago, matter2003 said: Yeldon should take the L for the INT...why did he just stop running the route? I keep seeing this and it’s simply wrong. There was no “route” at that point in the play. It was sandlot football and they were just reacting to Allen. Yeldon obviously thought he had a soft spot to sit down while Allen thought he was going to keep going. They just weren’t on the same page. It was not “Yeldon’s fault.” Allen just need to throw the ball away there and let his defense earn their money. Throwing the ball into a swarm of defenders when he’s not sure what his teammates are doing is a recipe for disaster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 If Allen plays in a similar style to how he played in Tennessee then Josh will be able to win 10-11 games this season. Josh obviously has to cut down on the INT's but I think as he gets more comfortable and more experience he will play just conservative enough to avoid key turnovers. The more I think about Josh's game yesterday the more I am impressed on it. The Titans Defense could finish in the top 5 and certainly barring catastrophic injury they should be a top 10 defense. Josh threw 70% with 2 TD's to 1 INT against a top 10 defense on the road. With multiple in game injuries to his O-line with virtually no running game until the 4th quarter. That's pretty good for any QB let alone a young QB. Even the one INT he threw was in part on Yeldon for stopping his route (although it was not a necessary risk for Josh to take.) I think this sub is just bi-polar when it comes to Josh. One week he is the best thing since sliced bread the next week he is a bum. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChattanoogaBills Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 As a 30 year buffalo fan. Josh is the second QB(after kelly) to give me the feeling that we can pull out a win with the game on the line. His poise, confedence, and competitive drive along with his talent has made me buy in. In fact I just bought my very first buffalo player jersey #17 Allen this week. My other bills jerseys are personalised with my name or nickname. I love his whole demeanor and make up. The turnovers are maddening but after years of tyrod safeball and fitz weak arm (trying to be peyton in the pocket instead of continuing to play like every snap is his last) underthrowing wrs for ints. I'll live with his mistakes as i see him trying to grow. But I'd rather he stay more fearless than cautious but not take unnecessary hits while scrambling. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted October 8, 2019 Author Share Posted October 8, 2019 30 minutes ago, Bangarang said: probably includes his rushing yards. Correct should say total yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 43 minutes ago, SMAKCruiser said: Where is he on pace for 4000 yards? Currently he projects to just under 3600 with 16 tds and 22 ints passing He’s counting the Playoff yards too ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said: Allen is on pace for over 4000 yards passing 26 total touchdowns and 22 picks. Over the last 40 years only two Bills qbs have had better seasons Kelly in 89 and 91 and Bledsoe in 2002. Still not a huge fan of Allen but wondering if this changes anyones thought on him or if its a larger reflection on how bad the qb play has been here? So a while back I did a big evaluation of QB success vs draft position. I had to decide what characteristics defined "QB success" which to me was a guy you can win with consistently if you field a good D and put some pieces around him, not a "set your hair on fire once in a generation Magical Franchise Man". The criteria I came up with, which some poo-poo as too lenient, were >59% completion, >6.5 YPA, >1.5 TD/INT ratio, and a floor of 200-220 YPG passing. The catch is the guy must meet them all. Right now, where Allen is lacking is the TD/INT ratio. He is on track for 16 passing TD and 22 picks. He needs to get the picks under control for us to win consistently against good teams with him at the helm. He's always, I think, going to make the occasional boneheaded play trying to force things to happen. But he can't make 2-4 of 'em per game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 14 minutes ago, ChattanoogaBills said: As a 30 year buffalo fan. Josh is the second QB(after kelly) to give me the feeling that we can pull out a win with the game on the line. His poise, confedence, and competitive drive along with his talent has made me buy in. In fact I just bought my very first buffalo player jersey #17 Allen this week. My other bills jerseys are personalised with my name or nickname. I love his whole demeanor and make up. The turnovers are maddening but after years of tyrod safeball and fitz weak arm (trying to be peyton in the pocket instead of continuing to play like every snap is his last) underthrowing wrs for ints. I'll live with his mistakes as i see him trying to grow. But I'd rather he stay more fearless than cautious but not take unnecessary hits while scrambling. A PERFECT post!!!!! Amen to every thing you wrote. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, MJS said: Let's hope he gets those interceptions down. That’s what young guys do. Hopefully he does what guys do when they play and learn. I’m not certain, but I’m very optimistic. . Edited October 8, 2019 by Augie 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenigmusx Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Kelly had his fair share of 2 or 3 pick games when he had more faith in his arm then anyone should but it helped him be great. Complete confidence in himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 2 hours ago, msw2112 said: While he makes some big mistakes, Allen is a gamer. He elevates his game in the 4th quarter when we need it the most. It's the "it" factor that many other Bills QBs have lacked. Fitz, for example, had many huge games with big passing numbers and multiple TDs. When the game was on the line, however, he usually threw a pick or fumbled the ball. Tyrod was a little different. He didn't have the big passing numbers that Fitz had, but he similarly lacked the ability to get it done when the game was on the line. Rather than a pick or fumble, Tyrod meekly turned it over on downs. ☹️ To he fair to Fitz, he had a bit of "gamer" in him. He just didn't have the arm, or weapons to go with it. Not that he was ever going to be a top QB or anything, but any QB that intentionally hits a DB instead of going out of bounds earns points in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 He still hasnt played a complete season yet. Taking things off his plate or going to a run heavy style cripples his development. Give him control of the offense, take some lumps and mistakes and learn from it. It's the start of October. Buffalo is 4-1 and far from reaching their potential or peaking. Get Allen reps and see if he can find a grove. He does that look out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Bangarang said: I want him to be great. If he can tone down being a turnover machine, throw more TDs and lead this team to wins over good teams then I will fully buy into him being our franchise QB. No doubt. We all want him to be great. My main thing that I continue to harp on is that the INT's are annoying and he needs to cut them down, but I'm actually fine if he throws 15-18 picks with 35 plus TD's LONG term. I think this season has been altered a bit by the 4-1 start. It's not really about DEVELOPING Josh Allen. It's about winning football games. They should work in tandem, but under different circumstances, you probably cut him loose a bit more and let the chips fall where they may. With the defense in place, I think the correct approach is to harness him a bit and play to the situation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 4 TDs and 8 INTs. 70 rating. Baker Mayfield. Maybe he can get some garbage stats here to boost those. My QB wins. He doesn't usually get many chances to pad the stats. He's also really the main guy game planned for on our O. We don't have Chubb. Or Landry. Or OBJ to make DCs lose sleep at night.... I'm just thinking out loud here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) It's more of a reflection of how QB stats have trended up consistently for a long long time, particularly total yards. Allen's tied for 18th in the NFL in yards. We've had guys in that area plenty of times over the years. We've also had guys with stats in the area of 26 TDs and 22 INTs. Which is not a good ratio. Though not so awful for a 2nd year guy. Fitzy has a year when he went 24 and 23 in Buffalo, for instance. Edited October 8, 2019 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said: No doubt. We all want him to be great. My main thing that I continue to harp on is that the INT's are annoying and he needs to cut them down, but I'm actually fine if he throws 15-18 picks with 35 plus TD's LONG term. I think this season has been altered a bit by the 4-1 start. It's not really about DEVELOPING Josh Allen. It's about winning football games. They should work in tandem, but under different circumstances, you probably cut him loose a bit more and let the chips fall where they may. With the defense in place, I think the correct approach is to harness him a bit and play to the situation. Right on. Josh Allen's development has suddenly become preempted by a 4-1 start, and the rules have changed a little. Now Allen inherits the role of winning games and developing on the fly. What a way to learn...but in the end, he becomes a more complete QB. Edited October 8, 2019 by Rocket94 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 3 hours ago, Elite Poster said: I hope to god he slows down that INT rate. If he can remain efficient without the turnovers, we will have something on our hands. I did too. He does need to keep that number a lot lower than its at but each pick from here on out will make me cringe more than it probably should. But each TD would also make you smile and be so happy. Let us enjoy the good and hope he continues to improve on the bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) I thought Allen played his worst NFL game vs the Pats and his best game against the Titans. He played smart football, wrapped up the ball when defenders were near and his mechanics were much better last Sunday. You have to be a good game manager before you can be a good gunslinger. I'll take just 1 bonehead play per game from Josh every week. Edited October 8, 2019 by GreggTX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring it Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 26 minutes ago, GreggTX said: I thought Allen played his worst NFL game vs the Pats and his best game against the Titans. He played smart football, wrapped up the ball when defenders were near and his mechanics were much better last Sunday. You have to be a good game manager before you can be a good gunslinger. I'll take just 1 bonehead play per game from Josh every week. I agree! For now I can live with the one bad play a week. I didn’t really feel that pick was as bad as the ones against NE. But they are a better defense also. Patience is the word for now! Let’s see what we have after he has had 2 1/2 to 3 years of starts! He’s worth the wait considering what his ceiling could be. Also considering that will give the offense more time to gel and catch up to the defense! This team could be scary good!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 What excites me most about Josh Allen, is his growth. He has demonstrated measurable growth from year one to year two and as CBS pointed out on Sunday (and others) he just finished his 16th game. In the same vein of thought, he continues to improve and he continues to show progression in certain areas. Sunday was an example of how you could see him fighting his instincts to run too often or run going head first and you can see when he threw the ball into the ground he hated it, but I think he knows it's about a strategic loss of the battle (play) in order to win the war (game / season). Allen's physical traits coming in were just - "Wow!" - but it was his maturity and insatiable pursuit to be better that made me believe the kid could be great. Now, we see some of that unfolding. Honestly, I feel like this is a 3 year journey: Raw / Terrible Decision - to Game Manager / Bursts of Wow - to top 5 QB for career. I see the Bills taking a methodical approach to his development by telling him this year the Defense is amazing, manage the game, make some throws, move the ball - but learn to harness your talent and use your mind. Then, with experience and maturity, along with better players around him, next year we see the realization of his full potential. The rest of this season remains to be seen, but you know who that career arc reminds me of? Big Ben. Great D and HOF RB, make some throws, manage the game and allow the game to mature you. Not just because of his size or arm, but because of how it seems Allen is showing his maturation. It needs to continue, but all promising looking toward the future as he grows. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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