Have You Started To Lose Faith in Josh Allen?

[billsfan_34]

Allen had a bad day- he was clearly shaken up. Daboll called a horrible game with plays coming in late and abandoning the run at times.  Allen throwing off his back foot is concerning.  Holding the ball too long is concerning. Not stepping up into the pocket is concerning. The 4 turnovers are concerning. The Bills need to correct this and win in Tennessee.  

 

This one stings because we had chances to win that game and pissed it away. 

 

Sidebar- I dialed in on Brady a lot yesterday at the stadium. He is in decline- doesnt have the arm strength for intermediate and deep balls anymore.

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, Jpsredemption said:

3TD 6INT and how many fumbles? Yea he’s entering turnover machine status. If you haven’t panicked yet you may want to start. 

 

Weak.

 

[Aireskoi]

I am starting to wonder if he will learn to protect himself before it's too late.

 

I think he has all the skill and the will to be an all time great.

 

There is no play or game (maybe the last drive of Superbowl) worth taking a shot to the head that could be avoided. 

 

I don't blame him for the cheap head shot, but he has to know the shots are coming if he runs.

 

We need him to play and finish all 16 every year. 

 

Is he going to adjust or continue to get crushed?

 

 

[May Day 10]

Optics on allen plainly show he is a large cut above any of the previous qbs they have trotted out there since kelly.  

 

The patriots defense is talented and has a mastermind

 

 

 

Taking hits though is going to make a short career

Edited September 30, 2019 by May Day 10

[BringBackOrton]

1 hour ago, matter2003 said:

He made Mahomes look bad too last year.

Lol what

[S. Swift]

I still try and figure out what a quarterback coach does for the Bills. We heard all off season that Ken Dorsey was the best medicine for Josh Allen because he has played the position. Why is it Daboll's responsibility to coach Josh and the total offense?  Dorsey should be in Allen's face the first time a bad decision or fundamentals are lost in Allen's execution.

What elevated Jim Kelly in to his Hall of Fame progression in the NFL, Ted Marchibroda as his quarterback coach. Once Marchibroda left for Indy, we say Kelly and the offense start their decline.

If the Bills are not going to utilize a QB coach to coach their QB's then why have them on the staff. If it is the wrong coach, then find the right one. Allen's progress should rest to a large extent on the QB coach. Dorsey should spend Tuesday - Fri when not game planning, screaming at Josh while in the film room saying this is unacceptable. Reviewing what decisions are the right ones to make in those situations should come from the position coach. The head coach may want to stop in to confirm that the expectations are understood.

[H2o]

No, not at all. Josh had an absolutely horrible first half. He was pressing in this game like no other because he wanted to beat the Pats in front of the home fans. That led to the hero ball we all talk about at times. In playing hero ball he missed a few WIDE open guys underneath that had the potential to catch and run with the ball afterwards for big gains. He was under pressure all day though, ALL day. For all of the work done to the offensive line, you couldn't tell in pass protection most of the time. Even still let's note that on the first drive of the 2nd half he came out 6 for 6 passing with a rushing TD. I truly believe that if he had not been knocked out of the game the result would have been different. The thing that is concerning me this year is where Josh was hitting those deep routes last year, this year he is about 2-5 yards off with every throw. His short and intermediate accuracy is better for the most part, but he seems to have lost his touch on the deep ball. 

[billsfan1959]

7 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

Yeah, Phil, I’ve “lost faith” in a kid with less than a season under his belt. It’s obvious, to me, that Allen wants to win in Buffalo, too much. When you couple this with his off field antics, signing countless autographs, doing interviews that draw positive attention to Buffalo, bringing teammates together and charity work, I’m done.

 

Thanks Phil for helping to bring these negatives to light. I have indeed lost a bit of faith today.

[BringBackOrton]

25 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

We didn't lose the game because of Allen, he never finished the game. Way to many penalties, Lee Smith mostly. The blocked punt is on the coaching staff, nearly happened twice.

Look, Josh Allen is not a first half quarterback. He appeared rattled imo.

Its time to go back to basics just like the last time he was injured. He came back a much better QB.

Barkley will be fine for a game or two.

 

Someone tell Nathan Peterman that he didn’t lose us any games last year because he didn’t finish them!

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

8 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said:

3TD 6INT and how many fumbles? Yea he’s entering turnover machine status. If you haven’t panicked yet you may want to start. 

You must be the kind of guy everyone wants on their side when things go south.

[Jrb1979]

8 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

No has he even played 16 games yet?

How many games are you going to give the kid? Thats always the answer Bills fans give. I'm sorry but their is QBs in their first season who already look better then Allen. Minshew in Jacksonville has played much better in his first 4 games. Has a completion % of 69% and 7 TDs to 1 int. 

[BringBackOrton]

10 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

Yeah, Phil, I’ve “lost faith” in a kid with less than a season under his belt. It’s obvious, to me, that Allen wants to win in Buffalo, too much. When you couple this with his off field antics, signing countless autographs, doing interviews that draw positive attention to Buffalo, bringing teammates together and charity work, I’m done.

 

Thanks Phil for helping to bring these negatives to light. I have indeed lost a bit of faith today.

Oh no. We’ve reached the “he’s a good guy” defense. We’re *****

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

You must be the kind of guy everyone wants on their side when things go south.

 

I said yesterday that I thank my lucky stars for the fact that I don't have to count on these people for my survival.

 

I'm sticking with that take.

 

[Drunken Pygmy Goat]

I had a feeling this was going to happen at some point this year. 

 

The pedastal that many Bills fans seemed to unrealistically prop Josh Allen onto was so high, that a hiccup or two here or there would seem like falling over Niagara Falls...

 

Josh has a long way to go. He just made his 15th start, against a great defense with the best defensive coach that makes opponents beat you by doing what you're not good at (Daboll helped by unnecessarily calling so many passes...). A lot of fans were talking about Allen in the offseason as if he was a 5 year veteran with rings. I get it though; he's a gamer, with a big arm and wheels, who sticks around to sign autographs and says all the right things. It's easy to root for the kid, but he's just not "there" yet. 

 

15 starts

Edited September 30, 2019 by Drunken Pygmy Goat

[Jrb1979]

3 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

Optics on allen plainly show he is a large cut above any of the previous qbs they have trotted out there since kelly.  

That's not saying much. Bills fans must look at what good QB play is. 

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

Not losing faith. I was at the game yesterday and pats d is legit as ours...Josh made more horrible decisions and it cost us turnovers. he needs to cut this crap out , and can’t be throwing of his back foot. It’s kinda like our d, I think Gilmore was on brown most of the day and took him out of the equation. which leads us us having to rely on Zay Jones. I’ve never seen a guy look so unmotivated to do anything out there.  In this type of game forcing the deep ball was not the right move.. I’d rather see incompletions .  As much as I hope he plays in Nashville maybe not a bad thing to have him come back for Miami. 

[Casey D]

Did you see how Goff looked in the SB?

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Drunken Pygmy Goat said:

I had a feeling this was going to happen at some point this year. 

 

The pedastal that many Bills fans seemed to unrealistically prop Josh Allen onto was so high, that a hiccup or two here or there would seem like falling over Niagara Falls...

 

Josh has a long way to go. He just made his 15th start, against a great defense with the best defensive coach that makes opponents beat you by doing what they're not good at (Daboll helped by unnecessarily calling so many passes...). A lot of fans were talking about Allen in the offseason as if he was a 5 year veteran with rings. I get it though; he's a gamer, with a big arm and wheels, who sficks around to sign autographs and says all the right things. It's easy to root for the kid, but he's just not "there" yet. 

 

15 starts

Stop with the rational takes. There's emotions to be vented.

 

[Bring it]

No, he hasn’t even started a full season yet! But, Josh has played big at key times and has shown the ability to carry this team to a win. Game winning 4th quarter drives!! Tremendous athleticism! Leadership and his teammates believe in him which is a must!!

 

IMO he should get more time. At least another season after this one! There is such a high ceiling that we need to be absolutely sure he is not the guy before moving on. 

[billsfan1959]

I'm losing faith that a small segment of this fan base will ever be able to analyze Josh Allen in a rational, objective, non-biased way. I'm losing even more faith in the belief they will stop feeling the need to post the same thought over and over, and over, and over, and over, and over....

[Cripple Creek]

Just now, BringBackOrton said:

Oh no. We’ve reached the “he’s a good guy” defense. We’re *****

If that’s what you see then you deserve Orton. Same for the brilliant guy pushing a jp losman agenda.

 

Watch the ***** games and leave your idiot glasses aside. The team had had too many lapses through 4 games,but I’m not in panic mode.

 

 

 

 

[Jrb1979]

Just now, Joe in Winslow said:

Stop with the rational takes. There's emotions to be vented.

 

I know you and others don't want to see the negatives. You want to BILLieve so bad but Allen is not good. How is it 2 first year QBs look so much better in their first 4 games then Allen has in 15?  

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Stop with the rational takes. There's emotions to be vented.

 

Perhaps SDS could look into creating a virtual safe space for them to go to in times like these...

2 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

I know you and others don't want to see the negatives. You want to BILLieve so bad but Allen is not good. How is it 2 first year QBs look so much better in their first 4 games then Allen has in 15?  

Shouldn't you be getting ready to catch the bus to school right about now?

[JMF2006]

1 minute ago, Jrb1979 said:

I know you and others don't want to see the negatives. You want to BILLieve so bad but Allen is not good. How is it 2 first year QBs look so much better in their first 4 games then Allen has in 15?  

 

So why don't you become a Jax fan or cheer for the G men?

 

JA is the Bills QB and for at least 4 more years barring serious injury.

[Nihilarian]

3 minutes ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said:

I had a feeling this was going to happen at some point this year. 

 

The pedestal that many Bills fans seemed to unrealistically prop Josh Allen onto was so high, that a hiccup or two here or there would seem like falling over Niagara Falls...

 

Josh has a long way to go. He just made his 15th start, against a great defense with the best defensive coach that makes opponents beat you by doing what they're not good at (Daboll helped by unnecessarily calling so many passes...). A lot of fans were talking about Allen in the off season as if he was a 5 year veteran with rings. I get it though; he's a gamer, with a big arm and wheels, who sticks around to sign autographs and says all the right things. It's easy to root for the kid, but he's just not "there" yet. 

 

15 starts

 

Now look what happened in the 2nd half, Allen went 6-6 while scoring a TD on a defense that hadn't allowed an offensive TD this season previously!

 

If Allen doesn't get injured my take is he takes the team to a comeback win! 

 

It truly is embarrassing how quickly some Bills fans jump off the bandwagon and complain endlessly about a young QB with not even a full season under his belt.

 

The Bills offense just went against the very best defense in the NFL, the SB champs who beat the Chiefs in last years AFC Champ game. 

[oldmanfan]

I have not lost faith in the kid.  He got a lesson yesterday from the best HC and best DC that has ever coached in the NFL.  That said, while I anticipate young QBs will make mistakes, I think it is a legitimate criticism of Allen that he has to stop making the same mistake over and over.  He cannot keep throwing late downfield into coverage, hoping to make a big paly happen.  The first pick he has to see the safety, the other two you just cannot make those throws into the into of coverage the Pats had. 

 

The first 4 games, you can see how much potential the kid has.  You don't lead your team from behind in three games like he did to win (and may have yesterday if he hadn't gotten hurt) and not have what it takes.  But he has to play smarter.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

I’m talking myself out of losing faith in him. I’ll chalk it up to pats defense being good and making every QB look bad going back to last season. 

 

He’s hopefully going to play more games this season so we will see if he can hit the long balls at some point. 

 

That’s really a concern. In the first 3 games they didn’t take too many shots down the field, but he was off on most if not all of them. 

 

Yesterday it was one after another. 

 

If the deep accuracy doesn’t improve teams will just take away the underneath stuff and he won’t be effective. 

 

 

[billsintaiwan]

have absolutely not lost faith. he had a bad game against a great defense that made some exceptional plays. i also think he wins this game if he doesn't get killed by a cheap shot.

[Helpmenow]

Concern he doesn’t see the field well at times.  

[BillsFanSD]

Allen was bad yesterday.  I haven't rewatched any of the game, but just from the broadcast it seemed pretty clear that he was having a hard time understanding the defense and was holding onto the ball too long as a result.  That doesn't concern me in the slightest -- this sort of thing happens when a young QB goes up against a Belichick defense.  He'll improve with experience in this area.

 

I am getting concerned about two things though.  The first is that he keeps making the same ugly interceptions over and over by rolling to his right and throwing back across his body.  He knows that he shouldn't do this because he says so after games, but he keeps doing it anyway.  I don't pretend to know whether this is a maturity issue, a coaching issue, or what, but it's undeniably a problem.  The second cause for concern is the way he mopes on the sideline after making a mistake and the way he seems to be rattled when he comes back onto the field.  Again, maybe it's just the immaturity of a young player, but they guy needs to grow some thicker skin.

 

These are things that I've observed over the first four games of the season.  No reason to overreact to one bad game against New England, but the decision-making needs to improve.

[MrSarcasm]

I've lost complete faith. Their is no excuse for a QB to lose to a weak team like the Patriots .

Hopefully he can redeem himself when the Bill's play a better team.

 

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[Juice_32]

When we drafted Allen he was considered a raw but super talented player who needed time to mature and grow as a player. No one considered him a finished product. 

 

He’s on the exact trajectory I expected and hoped for. He has a long way to go but I’m enjoying he hell out of the ride. 

 

 

[BillsFanSD]

2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

I have not lost faith in the kid.  He got a lesson yesterday from the best HC and best DC that has ever coached in the NFL.  That said, while I anticipate young QBs will make mistakes, I think it is a legitimate criticism of Allen that he has to stop making the same mistake over and over.  He cannot keep throwing late downfield into coverage, hoping to make a big paly happen.  The first pick he has to see the safety, the other two you just cannot make those throws into the into of coverage the Pats had. 

 

The first 4 games, you can see how much potential the kid has.  You don't lead your team from behind in three games like he did to win (and may have yesterday if he hadn't gotten hurt) and not have what it takes.  But he has to play smarter.

 

This one actually didn't bother me at all.  A guy with Allen's experience level is going to mis-read the coverage occasionally.  I don't see that as a cause for worry.

 

The other interceptions were on passes that Allen knows better than to attempt, but he attempted them anyway.  

[dgrochester55]

I am concerned about Allen's continued mistakes, but it is way too early to write him off as a bust.     He has a good arm and as over come adversity twice on the fourth quarter this year.  Before yesterday, his completion percentage was around 62 percent. 

 

You cannot write him off based on yesterday's game.   Keep in mind that this was a defense that also recently shut down Jared Goff and Ben Roethlisberger.    Allen was knocked out of the game, we do not know what he would have done in the fourth quarter this time around.   Barkley (who some think is our better long term option) looked just as bad if not worse when he came in.   

 

If the season ends and Allen has shown no progress, then maybe the questions start to come in, but not at this time.

 

 

Edited September 30, 2019 by dgrochester55

[zow2]

Let’s put it this way, the two Patriots guys I know we’re bummed out when Josh Allen got hurt because as they claim “Josh won us the game”.  The two times they’ve seen Allen they think he is the worst QB in the league.

but I’ll chalk it up to New England.  He will look better or at least decent against most NFL teams. I suspect in Dallas he will have issues.

As Bills fans we just gotta hang in there.  This season Josh Allen is not making any explosive plays with his legs.  That’s different From last year. He’s trying to think too much instead of just balling.

[Royale with Cheese]

His situational awareness is scaring me.  He's done it more than once where he's taking sacks putting us out of FG range.  

[mjt328]

I can tell this isn't a very popular take.  But yesterday's game was very concerning when it came to Josh Allen.

For the first time since he was drafted, we are starting to see a legitimate stunt in his progress and a regression in his game.

 

As Bills fans, winning is obviously the ultimate goal.  Many are just happy that we hung with the Patriots until the last drive, and that our defense shut down the mighty Tom Brady.  I am trying to look more long-term.  Because I know that if we are going to eventually retake the AFC East and become a true contender, we need to see Josh Allen develop into a Top 10 Quarterback in this league.  He's still got plenty of time to become that guy.  But yesterday's game was clearly a step in the wrong direction.

 

It's easy to make excuses about Allen's "hero ball" moments.  Yes, every QB makes those kinds of throws occasionally when trying too hard to make a play.  The problem with Allen, is that he keeps doing the same thing EVERY SINGLE WEEK and it's not registering in his head.  He did it in the preseason.  He did it Week 1 and Week 3.  Then he did it twice against the Patriots yesterday.  Defenses are learning to bait Allen into those throws, and he's just not learning from his mistakes.  Anytime a young QB starts making the same mistakes over and over, it should set-off the alarm bells.  We could have lost both the Jets and Bengals games because of those throws, and it's totally fair to say we lost to the Patriots because of the INTs.

 

 

[Mrbojanglezs]

20 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

How many games are you going to give the kid? Thats always the answer Bills fans give. I'm sorry but their is QBs in their first season who already look better then Allen. Minshew in Jacksonville has played much better in his first 4 games. Has a completion % of 69% and 7 TDs to 1 int. 

 

32 games minimum.

[Peace Frog]

Nope.  Josh either had little to no time to throw or, on the occasions he did have time, he was holding the ball too long which tells me that our receivers weren't getting separation from the #1 ranked secondary in the league.  I blame Josh for the ill-advised long interceptions or not throwing the ball out of bounds when nothing is there.  What I don't like at all is his hard count.  It seems to be the same thing almost every time;  he hard counts like he's trying to get the defense to jump offside and the ball is snapped after the third time, almost like clockwork.

[The Firebaugh Kid]

Not one bit. Hes a rookie. Essentially.