MDH Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 1 minute ago, Bferra13 said: It's more the point of the matter that if this was the other way around it would be on the front page of every site from ESPN to CNN. That's because one word has been used historically in the US to belittle and demean a people and the other was hilariously created to try and do likewise but has failed to gain any traction other than in comedy. They're not the same thing at all and most people realize this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Golden Goat said: It's not the word -- It's the disrespect. I don't see how Mayock can keep AB and not lose the respect of everyone on that team. If it happens once, it will happen again. Perfect example of how the Bills and Raider organizations are polar opposites. Can we inagine how Beane would react if a player threatened him with physical violence? Edited September 6, 2019 by Rocket94 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 It’s not gonna be the end of it if they do accept the apology. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 13 minutes ago, Greybeard said: Where did you get this from? That looks like the original set to the Honeymooners. googled you cracker gif and it came up. it does look like the kramden's place 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: It doesn’t offend me personally and don’t see anyone riled up that he said it. I think it’s not something you would say to your boss, however. And just another sign of the dysfunction that he brings. The forced, band aid apology is predictable. Oh no doubt, Brown is a douche. The worst thing he said though was he'd "punch him the face." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 This is going to prove once and for all that the off field distractions don’t matter as much as everyone seems to think. This is about as bad as you could even imagine the trade going and he’s still gonna out up at least 1000yds and 10TD 8 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Apparently now he might be playing Monday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 If someone of any race called me a cracker I would find it hilarious. It carries no weight whatsoever. Well, maybe a cracker's worth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Goat Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, aristocrat said: It’s not gonna be the end of it if they do accept the apology. Absolutely right. It's not about that episode. It's not about the helmet. It's about AB being an immature, whiny-a$$ diva. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Gotta love the emotional "I'm gonna lose 30 million if I don't sell this" apology. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 19 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: There isn't a single epithet or slur that could get even a rise out of me. I'm more personally offended by someone else's steak order or preference in wings than if they were to call me every racial slur in the book. Its a fundamental disconnect. I hate the term but I suppose its "privilege" that no combination of words in the English language relating to my race, gender, ethnicity, or skin color carries any weight with me. This...all of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 52 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: ....and he's a racist to boot This just keeps getting better But did he use Mayock's preferred gender pronoun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Big C said: Gotta love the emotional "I'm gonna lose 30 million if I don't sell this" apology. You know Rosenhaus texted him the market dried up. Followed by another text that said, "read this." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: I think the majority are saying it doesn't upset them and they wouldn't care, just that it's hypocritical that a 'racist term' (it is racist cause it's meant to be a derogatory term based on a person's skin color) is ok against someone who's white. Most blacks don't seem to have an issue with a certain word as long as it's not spoken from someone who is white.... Lots of Italian kids in the hood where I grew up. Always amazed me that they always called each other by the usual derogatory epithets. I sure knew better than to try that myself, even if in jest. Edited September 6, 2019 by starrymessenger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 8 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Im comfortable saying I don’t really care about that word, and that AB is a douche for using it and should get cut. I'm comfortable saying I care more about the ridiculous helmet brouhaha, and AB should be cut just for being an all-around #######. 6 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: If someone of any race called me a cracker I would find it hilarious. It carries no weight whatsoever. Well, maybe a cracker's worth I'd correct them..."I prefer 'pedantic supercilious anal orifice,' if you don't mind..." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 12 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...how touching..."Cry Me A River".....29 million reasons NOT to buy it...SMH..... Antonio Brown attends Raiders team meeting, gives “emotional apology” Posted by Michael David Smith on September 6, 2019, 12:23 PM EDT Raiders wide receiver Antonio Brown is back at the team facility today, trying to make amends. Brown attended a team meeting this morning and issued “an emotional apology,” Josina Anderson of ESPN reports. The Raiders’ team captains, who reportedly told Jon Gruden that they would back him on whatever he wants to do with Brown, stood with Brown at the team meeting. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/09/06/antonio-brown-attends-raiders-team-meeting-gives-emotional-apology/ Once he realizes he can lose all his guaranteed money... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJDK Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Just as bad as that Eagles receiver using the N-word. All people are equal and should be held to the same standard. Suspend him and fine him some more or just get rid of him. World class DBag! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 49 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Am I alone in that I wouldn’t even be a little offended if someone called me a “cracker” or “honkey” or any other racist term for white people? You could say about 213,000 other things that my sensitive @$$ would be bothered more by. I wouldnt be offended either... and I am not a big 'white guy victim' card carrier.... But I cant help but think at what the ramifications would have been if the shoe was on the other foot, and Maycock used an inadvisable term. His career and life would be effectively ruined/altered severely 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, DC Tom said: . I'd correct them..."I prefer 'pedantic supercilious anal orifice,' if you don't mind..." I always thought you should combine anal and orifice into just analfice. A little more compact power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 58 minutes ago, ddaryl said: I use to think "cracker" meant white folks were white like Saltine Crackers. It wasn't till recently I found out it has to do with the cracking of a whip. I never knew that, either! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 3 minutes ago, SJDK said: Just as bad as that Eagles receiver using the N-word. All people are equal and should be held to the same standard. Suspend him and fine him some more or just get rid of him. World class DBag! Nope! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 44 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Am I alone in that I wouldn’t even be a little offended if someone called me a “cracker” or “honkey” or any other racist term for white people? You could say about 213,000 other things that my sensitive @$$ would be bothered more by. I agree in that it wouldn't offend me in the slightest but I think the point here is that it is MEANT to cause a lot of offense. And the problem for the Raiders is that if they let him get away with it you know there will be people screaming double standards. Just imagine if a Ravens player had called Newsome any derogatory name for blacks. Even if Brown were to say "I don't think all white people are crackers" all you have to do is spin it around to the hypothetical Ravens player saying "I don't think all blacks are..." to see that that argument wouldn't stop said player getting crucified. It's a tough one because as I say, it doesn't offend me at all (and how many black people would say n*****r doesn't offend them?) and white people in America haven't had the same history as black people, but I do dislike hypocrisy and if something like that gets swept away then it sort of shines a light on that. It also makes rednecks think "well there you go, I can say what want because blah blah blah" and they'll constantly use this as an argument whenever they want to point out a double standard. I hate knee jerk reactions to things, but if you're preaching ALL racism is wrong then you have to punish him exactly as you would a white guy who called his black GM the N word Though I can't think of any examples where that might have happened. The only thing I can think of is the Eagles receiver who got caught on tape being racially abusive, and as far as I can recall he didn't lose his job so maybe an apology will do (I'd be more than okay with that personally, so long as he agreed to stop acting like a dick) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: I always thought you should combine anal and orifice into just analfice. A little more compact power. That would rapidly become "Pedantic supercilious anal fist." So I'm thinking...uh...no. It's not the worst idea I've ever read here, but that speaks less to the quality of your idea (SPOILER ALERT: it has none, it's a stupid idea) than the amount of true idiocy that often gets posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 18 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...how touching..."Cry Me A River".....29 million reasons NOT to buy it...SMH..... Antonio Brown attends Raiders team meeting, gives “emotional apology” Posted by Michael David Smith on September 6, 2019, 12:23 PM EDT Raiders wide receiver Antonio Brown is back at the team facility today, trying to make amends. Brown attended a team meeting this morning and issued “an emotional apology,” Josina Anderson of ESPN reports. The Raiders’ team captains, who reportedly told Jon Gruden that they would back him on whatever he wants to do with Brown, stood with Brown at the team meeting. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/09/06/antonio-brown-attends-raiders-team-meeting-gives-emotional-apology/ Looks like someone saw all the news about him potentially losing his guarantees. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 The levels of comedy in all of this are astounding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 AB deserves to be out of football. I suspect him getting passes for this type of behavior in Pittsburgh as well as 4th, 5th, etc chances leads to this type of outburst. It will happen again, and I hope the Raiders do not listen to Drew Rosenhause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, SJDK said: Just as bad as that Eagles receiver using the N-word. All people are equal and should be held to the same standard. Suspend him and fine him some more or just get rid of him. World class DBag! No, it's really not. This argument is always terrible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, May Day 10 said: I wouldnt be offended either... and I am not a big 'white guy victim' card carrier.... But I cant help but think at what the ramifications would have been if the shoe was on the other foot, and Maycock used an inadvisable term. His career and life would be effectively ruined/altered severely That would certainly be the case (although Riley Cooper got by) and it’s a double standard. The reality is the history and context that created that is so much more vile than the history and context of cracker. Racist/homophobic/anti-semetic slurs do not carry equal weight (or even close). The background defines their ugliness. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 1 hour ago, aristocrat said: he is self destructing He's stopped pretending. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJDK Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Nelius said: No, it's really not. This argument is always terrible. So are you saying that it’s racist one way but not the other? What exactly makes this terrible? Do you believe people should be treated equally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offyourocker Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 1 hour ago, LeGOATski said: ....and he's a racist to boot This just keeps getting better It is not racist that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 20 minutes ago, Golden Goat said: Absolutely right. It's not about that episode. It's not about the helmet. It's about AB being an immature, whiny-a$$ diva. One big dysfunctional family...hey, reality tv sells! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 24 minutes ago, MDH said: That's because one word has been used historically in the US to belittle and demean a people and the other was hilariously created to try and do likewise but has failed to gain any traction other than in comedy. They're not the same thing at all and most people realize this. Sticks And Stones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Returntoglory Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 What would the reaction be had the GM used the "N" word on Brown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, SJDK said: So are you saying that it’s racist one way but not the other? What exactly makes this terrible? Do you believe people should be treated equally? Of course it's racist, but what I think many folks are saying is that the term doesn't carry with it the weight of a few hundred years of tangible discrimination, and so it's not generally viewed as being that bad (rightly or wrongly). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Nelius said: No, it's really not. This argument is always terrible. 12 minutes ago, Chemical said: Nope! I Disagree. Maybe we don't find the term "cracker" as offensive, but the fact AB said it with offensive intent is all that is needed here. Can't have it one way and not the other. I fully expect a league suspension as well as a Raider suspension. From there social media will debate it.. I have to admit, in this context, in a professional situation, it needs to be addresses for its intent. It was a racist comment and needs to be treated that way. Edited September 6, 2019 by ddaryl 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 9 minutes ago, DC Tom said: That would rapidly become "Pedantic supercilious anal fist." So I'm thinking...uh...no. It's not the worst idea I've ever read here, but that speaks less to the quality of your idea (SPOILER ALERT: it has none, it's a stupid idea) than the amount of true idiocy that often gets posted. That just shows that clearly prejudiced against fisters; admit it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 I laugh when people call me a cracker for whatever reason. I always hear it in Chris Rock's voice when they say it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Returntoglory said: What would the reaction be had the GM used the "N" word on Brown? I think we all know the answer to that...and if there's any confusion, just look at the reaction to Bob McNair when he mistakenly said "inmates running the prison" instead of "inmates running the asylum". Dude mis-stated a common colloquialism and it turned into a racially-charged controversy. But again, that's because the term carries with it the weight of a few hundred years of discrimination. You can't ignore that. 1 minute ago, H2o said: I laugh when people call me a cracker for whatever reason. I always hear it in Chris Rock's voice when they say it. Same...though sometimes I hear it in the voice of Bernie Mack from Ocean's 11. Edited September 6, 2019 by thebandit27 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Of course it's racist, but what I think many folks are saying is that the term doesn't carry with it the weight of a few hundred years of tangible discrimination, and so it's not generally viewed as being that bad (rightly or wrongly). It's the equivalent of skinny-shaming a supermodel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted September 6, 2019 Share Posted September 6, 2019 14 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: I always thought you should combine anal and orifice into just analfice. A little more compact power. Or just make it part of your name... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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