Over 90 million dollars next year......what to do

[Chandler#81]

13 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Can't extend either Foster or Wallace until after the 2020 season at the earliest.

 

And I think he should play in the middle; I just think he should play elsewhere too is all.  You can probably effectively combine the LB role that he and LorAx are playing currently and hand that to Edmunds--that's how talented he is...the only practical change would be that Edmunds plays outside when there are 3 LBs on the field.  And it's because of how good Edmunds is, not any type of deficiency.

 

It's fine if other folks don't want to move him, but I'm a bit surprised at the level of vitriol from the mere suggestion that he can be put to better use.

Heres what I believe you’re missing in your vision of how he should be used. He’s the Defensive Captain. He will be on the field EVERY play he’s healthy enough to play. That can’t be said for either OLB position in certain situations. He already rushes the passer from the edge -think Bear Sack over the Tackle from Miami. I get that it’s fun to dream of other situations individually, but being surprised at vitriol that he isn’t be used to your perceived maximum reeks of arrogant cluelessness. Frazier & McDermott have about 40 years of combined NFL Defensive Coaching. The difference; you ‘think’ he can be put to better use. They know they’re maximizing his potential.

[thebandit27]

Just now, Chandler#81 said:

Heres what I believe you’re missing in your vision of how he should be used. He’s the Defensive Captain. He will be on the field EVERY play he’s healthy enough to play. That can’t be said for either OLB position in certain situations. He already rushes the passer from the edge -think Bear Sack over the Tackle from Miami. I get that it’s fun to dream of other situations individually, but being surprised at vitriol that he isn’t be used to your perceived maximum reeks of arrogant cluelessness. Frazier & McDermott have about 40 years of combined NFL Defensive Coaching. The difference; you ‘think’ he can be put to better use. They know they’re maximizing his potential.

 

I'll accept arrogant, but clueless I'm not

 

Yes, his steamrolling of Miami's LT in week 17 is a great example of what he can do on the EDGE.  And no, I'm actually not missing that at all. As I said in my last post: he shouldn't leave the field.  I just believe that he can play outside more and have more chances to impact the game.

 

Truthfully it doesn't matter, because they aren't going to ask me for my opinions.

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, thebandit27 said:

 

I'll accept arrogant, but clueless I'm not

 

Yes, his steamrolling of Miami's LT in week 17 is a great example of what he can do on the EDGE.  And no, I'm actually not missing that at all. As I said in my last post: he shouldn't leave the field.  I just believe that he can play outside more and have more chances to impact the game.

 

Truthfully it doesn't matter, because they aren't going to ask me for my opinions.

Isn't the best and most important LB on Carolina - their true difference maker - the MLB?

[thebandit27]

Just now, dave mcbride said:

Isn't the best and most important LB on Carolina - their true difference maker - the MLB?

 

Absolutely he's their best LB.  And Edmunds is Buffalo's best chance to have a dynamic LB.

 

IMO, the most impactful defenders on the field are stud pass rushers and stud corners; they're the guys that typically can make the game-changing plays most often because of the role they're asked to play.  If I've got my choice, I want Edmunds to have more chances to make such plays, which means putting him in more situations to rush the passer.

 

Don't get me wrong, I still want him to play MLB...and to do it a lot.  I just think that the upside of letting him rush the passer from the EDGE on, say, 35% of his defensive snaps outweighs the drop off at MLB that you'd see between him and a guy like Stanford/Vosean on those same 35% of the team's defensive snaps.

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But I've said my piece on that, and I'm starting to derail the thread topic, so I'll let those be my closing remarks on that particular viewpoint.

[dave mcbride]

2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Absolutely he's their best LB.  And Edmunds is Buffalo's best chance to have a dynamic LB.

 

IMO, the most impactful defenders on the field are stud pass rushers and stud corners; they're the guys that typically can make the game-changing plays most often because of the role they're asked to play.  If I've got my choice, I want Edmunds to have more chances to make such plays, which means putting him in more situations to rush the passer.

 

Don't get me wrong, I still want him to play MLB...and to do it a lot.  I just think that the upside of letting him rush the passer from the EDGE on, say, 35% of his defensive snaps outweighs the drop off at MLB that you'd see between him and a guy like Stanford/Vosean on those same 35% of the team's defensive snaps.

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But I've said my piece on that, and I'm starting to derail the thread topic, so I'll let those be my closing remarks on that particular viewpoint.

Yeah, I usually agree with all of this except for Kuechly. But he's truly unique - one of the best players of the decade at any position and just phenomenal in pass coverage. Edmunds will never be as good as Kuechly in that area. 

[billsbackto81]

3 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

Draft or FA priorities:

- #1 WR

- CBs

- Trent Murphy extension or replacement

- Finish OL if needed

- DL depth

 

There are a few other lesser priorities like another RB, but those are what I have.  There is some real money needed to do that, but we have plenty.  More than enough.   Here’s a link to a useful multi year view of contracts:

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/yearly/cap/

 

Wow, that FA list of WRs is either older or underwhelming.

 

I'd easily replace Murphy with either Daniels or Irvin. 

 

Lots of good CBs to be available.

[warrior9]

3 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

Sign whichever WR the Bengals let go between Boyd and Green

Sign one of the following EDGE players: Clowney, Ngakoue, Fowler, Beasley, Von Miller (if his option isn't picked up), C. Jones (if released for cap reasons), Campbell (if released for cap reasons)

Sign Tre White to an extension

IIRC, Boyd was extended this off season.

[BobChalmers]

3 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

In Order

 

Re-sign Poyer (will be going into last year of Deal next year)

 

Look at Re-signing depending on their play this year

Jordan Phillips

Alexander

Lawson

 

Then Sign

Yannick Ngakoue

Amari Cooper

 

 

I love Lo' but he's WAY too old to worry about re-signing.

 

[billsbackto81]

12 minutes ago, warrior9 said:

IIRC, Boyd was extended this off season.

Correct

[Victory Formation]

AJ Green. Pull out the red carpet for him, pay him well. Other than that I feel this FA class is weak. Tre and Milano need to be extended as well. Re-sign the productive players we’ve drafted but once again AJ Green would be phenomenal.

 

[Nebillzfan]

4 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

All joking aside, Benjamin went unsigned and may well be out of the league for good. He's only 28.

The way he ran routes and put effort in he will be taking orders at Popeyes for chicken sandwiches pretty soon. That’s the only route he will be running

[Buffalo Barbarian]

5 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Over 90 million dollars

Beane making trades and drafting like a wizard

 

How should we spend the money?

 

hard to say right now but maybe a DE n WR.

 

 

[ColoradoBills]

58 minutes ago, Sunshower said:

AJ Green. Pull out the red carpet for him, pay him well. Other than that I feel this FA class is weak. Tre and Milano need to be extended as well. Re-sign the productive players we’ve drafted but once again AJ Green would be phenomenal.

 

 

I would say that signing a 32 year old WR to big money is not in Beane's plans at all.

Bengals HC tweeted Green could miss 6 games to start the season.  He's been injured a lot lately.

[Victory Formation]

7 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I would say that signing a 32 year old WR to big money is not in Beane's plans at all.

Bengals HC tweeted Green could miss 6 games to start the season.  He's been injured a lot lately.

Even if we get him for 10-12 games a year, that’s 10 or 12 games that Allen has a legit bonafide superstar as his first read. I think it’s worth it.

[artmalibu]

7 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

 

The absolute earliest that he can be signed to a new contract is March of 2021 in accordance with the current CBA (and I doubt that'll change with a new CBA).

 

His rookie deal runs through the completion of the 2021 season, but the team can pick up his 5th year option for 2022, which would be a one-year extension equal in amount to the average of the top-10 QB salaries in 2022.  Of course, they could tag him twice after that as well.

 

How did the cowboys extent Elliott 

[thebandit27]

Just now, artmalibu said:

 

How did the cowboys extent Elliott 

 

He completed 3 full seasons.

 

Josh won't have completed 3 full seasons until the completion of the 2020 league year, which happens in March 2021.

[dollars 2 donuts]

After the 11-5 season pick up 2-3 reasonably priced free agents and sign what guys you can early from your own roster and keep rolling over what you can.

[CEN-CAL17]

Extend- Hyde, Poyer, TWhite.

[BuffAlone]

8 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

Sign whichever WR the Bengals let go between Boyd and Green

Sign one of the following EDGE players: Clowney, Ngakoue, Fowler, Beasley, Von Miller (if his option isn't picked up), C. Jones (if released for cap reasons), Campbell (if released for cap reasons)

Sign Tre White to an extension

good call on Tre. Get him signed long term asap. That will allow us to spend some in FA, and roll over some cash the following year for players like Milano, and maybe Dawkins and/or Zay should they be worthy. If you want to retain homegrown talent, sign them early and often. just my opinion

[formerlyofCtown]

9 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Over 90 million dollars

Beane making trades and drafting like a wizard

 

How should we spend the money?

Resigning our own and maybe one shiny new toy.

[formerlyofCtown]

9 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

Exactly.  Teams start FA by signing their own and the Bills will have a lot of those to consider.

It's WAY to early to know what players will be available from other teams.

 

Bills will have plenty of cash so that's a good thing.  Lot's of flexibility.

We will likely extend which ever linemen turn out to be the right signings from this offseason.

 

Chik-Fila or Arbys is a harder choice than CommonCents realizes. 

Edited September 4, 2019 by formerlyofCtown

[LSHMEAB]

9 hours ago, NewEra said:

Agreed.  Stud pass rusher, stud WR and build a top 5 OL

I mean, that's pretty much it. I would also add RB to the list, but that's because I'm not particularly high on Singletary. We're probably gonna have to get that stud WR in the draft(good year for it), but cap space is not an issue for the foreseeable future. It's nice to have, but winning games comes first.

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

I mean, that's pretty much it. I would also add RB to the list, but that's because I'm not particularly high on Singletary. We're probably gonna have to get that stud WR in the draft(good year for it), but cap space is not an issue for the foreseeable future. It's nice to have, but winning games comes first.

I really like Singletary, but also see him as one half of our future backfield.  Either a FA or 3-5th rd draft pick this offseason (unless Gore shows he’s a stud). I see us going with what they ran with in Carolina (Deangelo and Stewart).  2 feature backs unless one emerges as elite. 

[DCofNC]

Gotta go find 2 DE and  real WR, going to need some LB help and probably a corner or 3.  Depending on Singletary's year, you may need a starting Rb and theres plenty of guys to extend.

[frostbitmic]

I wouldn't object if they gave some to me.

[CaptnCoke11]

1 minute ago, frostbitmic said:

I wouldn't object if they gave some to me.

I’d take 500k.  Wouldn’t count against the cap most likely either 

[frostbitmic]

2 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

I’d take 500k.  Wouldn’t count against the cap most likely either 

They could put me on the non football injury list and I wouldn't cost them a roster spot.

[LABILLBACKER]

9 hours ago, NewEra said:

Agreed.  Stud pass rusher, stud WR and build a top 5 OL

Consensus agree, as do I.

[mrags]

Too tough to tell right now. Well know more as this season plays out. If the OL and DL looks good then we can really get proactive and look at resigning some of our home grown. 

[Dadonkadonk]

1. Extend Dawkins and White

2. Extend Levi Wallace

3. See who has a better year Milano or Poyer and extend one of them.  They won't be able to afford both and need to add an edge rusher.

4. Eat Kroft's contract - he is going to be lucky to play 5 games this year and will be cut at year end.  I'm intrigued to see how Knox plays.  The Bills have never had a TE make a ProBowl in their entire history and wanted Fant in a trade down scenario if they could not land OLB Josh Allen. Knox has athleticism at the TE spot and a basketball background.  YPC was amazing in college.  Total catches in college - not so amazing.  Let's hope

5. Let Lawson walk. I prefer Lawson over Murphy but this regime does not.  Even if Lawson outplays Murphy they will not tag Lawson and if he plays well he will get a good contract elsewhere.  Could be a 4th round comp pick if they play the FA signing game correctly.

6. Find two edge rushers either in FA or the draft.  I wanted Allen over Oliver and would have given up picks to move up to get Allen.  It would be so choice if Darryl Johnson is legit.  He has the frame to be a great edge rusher.  If he develops could be a major piece of the defense on the cheap for a few years.  That said, Hughes is old and I don't see anything in Murphy.  So in my mind, they still need to add two new edge rushers next off-season. 

7. Based on my projected 10-6 record they will be picking around 22nd, they should take best TE or edge rusher on the board at that spot. 

[Thurman#1]

16 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Over 90 million dollars

Beane making trades and drafting like a wizard

 

How should we spend the money?

 

 

 

Same way as this year. 

 

Maybe one high-salary guy ala Morse, fill in a lot of medium- to low-salary guys to fill holes and create depth ala Beasley, Brown and the OL guys ... and don't spend it all at once. Not as many guys or as much money next year, though. Keep a very firm hold on the purse string so they don't end up in cap jail again as they were at the beginning of their regime thanks to Whaley's poor cap management.

 

The difference being that they're finally going to have to start re-signing their core players next year. Keep enough money available consistently that they'll be able to bring back many (not all, it doesn't work out that way) of their core players consistently.

 

 

Edited September 4, 2019 by Thurman#1

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

11 hours ago, Nebillzfan said:

The way he ran routes and put effort in he will be taking orders at Popeyes for chicken sandwiches pretty soon. That’s the only route he will be running

“Hey...someone took a bite out of my chicken sandwich...”  ?

16 hours ago, HOUSE said:

Invest in bonds

 

STADIUM bonds?

[HansLanda]

Goff is getting 108M guaranteed over 4-years.

 

So aside from White, and Milano needing new deals in next two years, if Allen pops then just get ready for a 30M/yr hit against cap. 

[BarleyNY]

One thing to remember- acquiring a player like a stud WR can be done via trade.  Just because there aren’t many WRs set to be FAs doesn’t mean we can’t find one that way.  If Allen takes a good step forward this season I think McBean makes a push to complete the team. 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

2 hours ago, HansLanda said:

Goff is getting 108M guaranteed over 4-years.

 

So aside from White, and Milano needing new deals in next two years, if Allen pops then just get ready for a 30M/yr hit against cap. 

If Allen pops get ready for a 40M/yr hit against the cap. Goff just got 33M/yr and Allen isn't up for a few years, by then it'll be 40 million a year.

[Royale with Cheese]

Same thing we try to do every night Pinky....try to take over the world.

[iinii]

22 hours ago, Logic said:

I'd have to see a list of available free agents.

Off the top of my head, it would seem that the biggest needs for the Bills next year will be at edge rusher and wide receiver. Both positions are rich in the draft, and the Bills are rich with cash.

I'd like to see Buffalo start pre-emptively extending some of their own homegrown talent and find either a big time EDGE or WR in free agency, if one is available. Address these positions again in the draft, and we're ready to roll.

But the draft isn’t where you spend 90 million.