Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 He has struggled to get off blocks throughout the preseason. The D around him has been good but to me he shouldn't be starting. I'm nervous about this pick. 4 1 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 You should PM Stallions and see if the two of you can get together for a beer or something. 2 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 What games have you been watching? Â The kid has worked himself into a starting role. 13 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 He has been double teamed alot- not a bad problem to have. Ed gets off the ball lightning quick and he is a rook- let him settle in he is gonna be similar to a Warren Sapp type. Also remember,  pre season no on its stunting etc... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 25, 2019 Author Share Posted August 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: What games have you been watching?  The kid has worked himself into a starting role. I didn't say anything about worked. He has effort. He just can't get off blocks. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: You should PM Stallions and see if the two of you can get together for a beer or something. Or is Stallions the same person as Buffalo-Stampeed? Edited August 25, 2019 by fansince88 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 https://www.buffalobills.com/video/ed-oliver-deflects-third-down-throw  deflected pass on a double team - he sucks - he should have intercepted it 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Just now, fansince88 said: Or is Stallionsthe some as Buffalo-Stampeed?  I’ve seen him penetrate multiple times.  There was a run play in the last game where he cut straight through the line and in the back field almost immediately after the handoff. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 25, 2019 Author Share Posted August 25, 2019 Just now, billsfan_34 said: He has been double teamed alot- not a bad problem to have. Ed gets off the ball lightning quick and he is a rook- let him settle in he is gonna be similar to a Warren Sapp type. Also remember,  pre season no on its stunting etc... They are definitely saving Oliver stunts for the season, his quickness will pay off there but I don't like his hands so far. He let's OL get a hold of him and he can't get off. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: They are definitely saving Oliver stunts for the season, his quickness will pay off there but I don't like his hands so far. He let's OL get a hold of him and he can't get off. Good point - as time goes on I think he will fine tune his craft. He has the right coaching staff to become great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macaroni Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: He has struggled to get off blocks throughout the preseason. The D around him has been good but to me he shouldn't be starting. I'm nervous about this pick.  Interesting observation, I only have one question because I'm always trying to become a more knowledgeable fan. How can you tell which plays he is called on to penetrate and rush the passer, and which plays he is supposed to "protect" the point of attack to allow the LBs to run free? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: He has struggled to get off blocks throughout the preseason. The D around him has been good but to me he shouldn't be starting. I'm nervous about this pick. Phillips was the 1 but Oliver beat him out during training camp. Oliver is not going to beat his guy every play. He's actually looked pretty good. Can he play better and will he play better? Yes and yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 I've been thinking the exact opposite. I'm excited to watch him work this year . Expecting an impact right out the gate 1 minute ago, macaroni said:  Interesting observation, I only have one question because I'm always trying to become a more knowledgeable fan. How can you tell which plays he is called on to penetrate and rush the passer, and which plays he is supposed to "protect" the point of attack to allow the LBs to run free? He can't tell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Since Ed has been here, I've actually noticed Star more. So the double teams Oliver is seeing are making a difference, IMO. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 3 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: They are definitely saving Oliver stunts for the season, his quickness will pay off there but I don't like his hands so far. He let's OL get a hold of him and he can't get off. You have been given examples of his getting off blocks yet keep saying that he can’t get of a block. Here’s another example, the very first preseason game he was double teamed, got off the double and was in on the tackle, against an all pro at that. Not so much to be worried about, he’s doing fine for a rookie who has yet to play his first game.  Go Bills!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Look, Cosell has been lurking on the board the whole time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 25, 2019 Author Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, macaroni said:  Interesting observation, I only have one question because I'm always trying to become a more knowledgeable fan. How can you tell which plays he is called on to penetrate and rush the passer, and which plays he is supposed to "protect" the point of attack to allow the LBs to run free? I don't know what his responsibilities are each play, but what I see is a player that is tough to move but lacks the hands to disengage from blocks.   5 minutes ago, Bubba Gump said: Since Ed has been here, I've actually noticed Star more. So the double teams Oliver is seeing are making a difference, IMO. Honestly to me Oliver may be best suited as a NT, which is what Houston ultimately had him doing and was criticized for it. McDermott may use Oliver the same way. He's very difficult to move even at his size. Edited August 25, 2019 by Buffalo_Stampede 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macaroni Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: He can't tell.  (said in a stage whisper) I know …. I was just trying to be a jerk without actually sounding like a jerk. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 14 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:  I’ve seen him penetrate multiple times.  There was a run play in the last game where he cut straight through the line and in the back field almost immediately after the handoff. Is that the one where he completely whiffed in the RB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 20 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: He has struggled to get off blocks throughout the preseason. The D around him has been good but to me he shouldn't be starting. I'm nervous about this pick. Lmao....after 3 preseason games people already declaring him a bust. Crazy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 25, 2019 Author Share Posted August 25, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, matter2003 said: Lmao....after 3 preseason games people already declaring him a bust. Crazy... Bust no. Just not going to impact like we thought. Edited August 25, 2019 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I don't know what his responsibilities are each play, but what I see is a player that is tough to move but lacks the hands to disengage from blocks.   And you continue to say this,  Why do you expect him to be a polished vet before he plays his first game as a pro?  Go Bills!!!  1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stosh64 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Bust no. Just not going to impact like we thought. You come to this conclusion before Ed even plays a regular season down?  Step away from the internet for a while, please! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPP Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 LAMP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Oliver has done just fine so far.Look forward to seeing him in regular season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Bust no. Just not going to impact like we thought. He is a rookie. He needs time. Wait til at least midsesson when they are actually running real defensive plays before any of thst come into your mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Little Oliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, macaroni said:  (said in a stage whisper) I know …. I was just trying to be a jerk without actually sounding like a jerk. Just go for it.....a stupid question deserves a honest response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 The OP is correct that Oliver hasn't performed nearly as well as some seem to think. He's a rookie and he has a long way to go yet. He must greatly improve the use of his hands to be effective. I support this pick, but of course I wish he were ready now. Just leave him in there and let him gain more experience and pray he becomes elite. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 I completely disagree. He’s looked good against double teams, penetrating and affecting the QB. He will be distributive this year! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macaroni Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I don't know what his responsibilities are each play, but what I see is a player that is tough to move but lacks the hands to disengage from blocks.  If I were more knowledgeable, I might say ….  If the Bills defense calls a play to stop the run, the d-linemen's job is to stonewall his opponent effectively clogging up running lanes, the middle linebackers job is to rush up to the line and "fill in" the outside LBs job is to seal the edges. SO … if that were true … Oliver engaging his man, and not allowing him to shed him is doing his particular job ON THAT PLAY.  On passing downs Ed will be assigned to shed his opponent, penetrate into the backfield and create havoc.  I propose that the coaching staff already knows he is capable of penetration on passing downs and they are giving him reps ih holding his ground to defend the run.   But I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Bust no. Just not going to impact like we thought. Welp, what were you expecting? 100+ tackles and 20+ sacks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 37 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: He has struggled to get off blocks throughout the preseason. The D around him has been good but to me he shouldn't be starting. I'm nervous about this pick. ......................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Oliver does lack any counter moves or hand fighting skills. It's quite obvious if you're looking for it. Once the guard gets their hands locked onto Oliver's chest pads, it's over, Which is true for most NFL Dlinemen, too. Â The positives we're seeing is Oliver using his quickness to beat linemen before they are on him. He's also constantly shifting laterally, which keeps him alive, but also makes him useless against quick hitting plays. I did see Oliver try a spin move once... it looked funny... and accomplished nothing. Â While he's good enough, we can only hope that he knows that he still has a lot of room to improve. Â Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 By my count he’s lost leverage twice on all his snaps the entire preseason.  He has been stymied on several pass rush attempts, but I’ll worry more if that’s still the case when they’re scheming their pass rush with blitzes, stunts, etc. Given his athleticism, there is no reason to think he won’t be as effective as KW was running games with Hughes.  No no concerns at this point. Quite the contrary in fact. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Oliver already causing O-Line to commit false start penalties. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nester Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 He has never even played an NFL game yet. Â This thread is stupid. 2 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 43 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: He has struggled to get off blocks throughout the preseason. The D around him has been good but to me he shouldn't be starting. I'm nervous about this pick.  I don’t know where this is coming from. Oliver has definitely looked like he fits right in and has been flat out unblockable at points.  He stays healthy he is he is going to have an Long and productive career. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 We're doomed again! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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