JOSH ALLEN post game thread

[rayray808]

Just put everything here:

 

Gameplan was to obviously run. He had a few attempts to throw the ball...

 

GOOD: 2 minute drive for a score

BAD: a few missed passes, scrambled in games he shouldn't

UGLY: the interception, which he owned, but still... terrible 

[LABILLBACKER]

38 minutes ago, rayray808 said:

Just put everything here:

 

Gameplan was to obviously run. He had a few attempts to throw the ball...

 

GOOD: 2 minute drive for a score

BAD: a few missed passes, scrambled in games he shouldn't

UGLY: the interception, which he owned, but still... terrible 

that's the throw a wide eyed rookie makes...but not a 2nd year qb...

[Elite Poster]

I was not a Josh Allen believer at first and gradually I started to believe. That throw was a nightmare. Never again. Throws like that and we aren't winning 9. I can't do 7 and below anymore. 

[Buffalo716]

The throw was ugly but it's preseason

 

That IS the time to take some stupid risks and see what happens. Now he knows it doesn't fly in an NFL game

 

But that in essence is who Josh Allen is , a gunslinger who doesn't like to let plays die. I expect he will do that again in his career

 

So did Favre

[Big Blitz]

40 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

that's the throw a wide eyed rookie makes...but not a 2nd year qb...

 

Sure.  Do we even watch other games?

 

 

Has dealing with Brady for 18 years made us believe all QBs are flawless always?  

 

 

 

 

Edited August 24, 2019 by Big Blitz

[LSHMEAB]

38 minutes ago, Elite Poster said:

I was not a Josh Allen believer at first and gradually I started to believe. That throw was a nightmare. Never again. Throws like that and we aren't winning 9. I can't do 7 and below anymore. 

I'd feel much more comfortable with that poor decision if it weren't for the first two third down attempts. It was not a good night and certainly discouraging. It's a preseason game in which he attempted a mere 6 passes. But he wasn't good. Doesn't mean he can't be guy; just means he's got a LONG ways to go.

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

53 minutes ago, Elite Poster said:

I was not a Josh Allen believer at first and gradually I started to believe. That throw was a nightmare. Never again. Throws like that and we aren't winning 9. I can't do 7 and below anymore. 

 

I like how when Josh has a bad night, you preface your remark with “ I was not a Josh Allen believer at first” as if your trying protect your couch potato cred.  

[clearwater cadet]

 

[Rochesterfan]

4 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

that's the throw a wide eyed rookie makes...but not a 2nd year qb...

 

 

Not sure I agree with the rookie part - it is more like a throw a guy that over trusts his arm makes - no matter how many years they were in the league.  

 

We saw a guy like Farve throw similar passes late in his career - simply because he always thought his arm would win.

 

That is the exact play they are trying to get Josh away from - I just think that will most likely be a small part of his game forever and we need to accept that - it is part of who he is.

[Putin]

4 hours ago, Elite Poster said:

I was not a Josh Allen believer at first and gradually I started to believe. That throw was a nightmare. Never again. Throws like that and we aren't winning 9. I can't do 7 and below anymore. 

What bothers me is that it was a 2nd and 4 throw the damn ball away , 

 

[Billsfansinceday1]

Josh acknowledged he has to learn from this mistake.  Pretty sure that will be reinforced in the film room by the coaches.

[Kmart128]

4 hours ago, Elite Poster said:

I was not a Josh Allen believer at first and gradually I started to believe. That throw was a nightmare. Never again. Throws like that and we aren't winning 9. I can't do 7 and below anymore. 

 

But why not try it... If you are gonna try it why not do it in a meaningless preseason game and see just what you can get away with with his arm strength. Use that as a measuring stick for future reference.

 

And with the new PI rules a lot of good can come from just giving your reciever a chance. 

 

And good did come from it. If he had bailed out early and just threw the ball away he wouldn't have drawn a penalty flag.

5 minutes ago, Putin said:

What bothers me is that it was a 2nd and 4 throw the damn ball away , 

 

 

Doesn't bother me at all. It's a meaningless game. Throwing the ball away does nothing. Why not take the risk... What's the worst that gonna happen. You throw an INT in a game that doesn't matter. Its same reason teams go for in on 4th down in preseason when they obviously wouldn't in a real game. Take the risk and see what you can and can not do. Throwing it away does nothing in these type of games. But taking risks can be used to learn and improve.

[Chandler#81]

4 hours ago, Elite Poster said:

I was not a Josh Allen believer at first and gradually I started to believe. That throw was a nightmare. Never again. Throws like that and we aren't winning 9. I can't do 7 and below anymore. 

 

Well, THAT’s something we can look forward to..

29 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

 

Not sure I agree with the rookie part - it is more like a throw a guy that over trusts his arm makes - no matter how many years they were in the league.  

 

We saw a guy like Farve throw similar passes late in his career - simply because he always thought his arm would win.

 

That is the exact play they are trying to get Josh away from - I just think that will most likely be a small part of his game forever and we need to accept that - it is part of who he is.

Crazy thing was you could just see he was gonna try it regardless of how increasingly bad the play was developing. Flip it out of bounds and live to play 3rd & 4. But NNOOOOOOOOoooooooo..

[Rochesterfan]

5 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

 

Well, THAT’s something we can look forward to..

Crazy thing was you could just see he was gonna try it regardless of how increasingly bad the play was developing. Flip it out of bounds and live to play 3rd & 4. But NNOOOOOOOOoooooooo..

 

Agreed - you could just see it coming - nothing had gone right and he wanted to make a play.

 

Just get to the next one and move on, but in the end making that terrible throw - lead to the weak roughing the passer call that lead to the score - so there is that.

[CSBill]

Last week => Josh Allen is a serious MVP candidate

This week => When is the draft

 

 

[Big Turk]

4 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

I'd feel much more comfortable with that poor decision if it weren't for the first two third down attempts. It was not a good night and certainly discouraging. It's a preseason game in which he attempted a mere 6 passes. But he wasn't good. Doesn't mean he can't be guy; just means he's got a LONG ways to go.

And yet he leads us 95 yards in a 2.5 minite drill in about a minute to take the lead going into halftime where the Bills had 2 turnovers inside their own 30 yardline and had drive starts inside their 15 yard line for much of the half. That's pretty encouraging.

Edited August 24, 2019 by matter2003

[thebandit27]

Does anyone care that he made that same throw last year for big completions in 3 different games--2 of which were for 50+ yards?

 

Yes, it's a throw he needs to learn not to force, but it's also a club that he should keep in his bag.

[Putin]

24 minutes ago, Kmart128 said:

 

But why not try it... If you are gonna try it why not do it in a meaningless preseason game and see just what you can get away with with his arm strength. Use that as a measuring stick for future reference.

 

And with the new PI rules a lot of good can come from just giving your reciever a chance. 

 

And good did come from it. If he had bailed out early and just threw the ball away he wouldn't have drawn a penalty flag.

 

Doesn't bother me at all. It's a meaningless game. Throwing the ball away does nothing. Why not take the risk... What's the worst that gonna happen. You throw an INT in a game that doesn't matter. Its same reason teams go for in on 4th down in preseason when they obviously wouldn't in a real game. Take the risk and see what you can and can not do. Throwing it away does nothing in these type of games. But taking risks can be used to learn and improve.

What the hell are you talking about ??? 

We all know the game is meaningless that’s NOT the point here , the point here IS he supposed to be taking a step forward and learning from his rookie mistakes , just like he learned to slide and NOT to get hit after the run , he needs to learn to throw the ball away and give your team a chance on the NEXT play , and yes IF it was a 4th down then we wouldn’t be talking about this ,Look  I Love Josh and he’s the one I wanted the Bills to draft and I’m his biggest supporter , I know he’s a smart kid and that’s why plays like this drives me nuts ? , 

 

Goooo Bills!!

[Troll Toll]

IMO his first few throws he looked like he was ahead of the receivers. Even though he didn’t complete them, I’m seeing mental progress. He still needs better timing / chemistry with the new receivers. I’m kind of frustrated that we aren’t seeing the stretch the field throws, but we still get the throwing across his body crap. I’m putting that more on the coaching staff. Last year, his attempts to go deep opened up everything because it kept the defense on its heels. Looks like he has to make more contested throws out there because teams are less worried about him going over the top.

[McBean]

This thread needs to be postponed until after week 16 of the REGULAR season.

 

Until then, none of us can evaluate crap.

 

 

[Shaw66]

19 minutes ago, Putin said:

What the hell are you talking about ??? 

We all know the game is meaningless that’s NOT the point here , the point here IS he supposed to be taking a step forward and learning from his rookie mistakes , just like he learned to slide and NOT to get hit after the run , he needs to learn to throw the ball away and give your team a chance on the NEXT play , and yes IF it was a 4th down then we wouldn’t be talking about this ,Look  I Love Josh and he’s the one I wanted the Bills to draft and I’m his biggest supporter , I know he’s a smart kid and that’s why plays like this drives me nuts ? , 

 

Goooo Bills!!

I'm fine with Allen last night.  Still looks like a winner tome.

 

The INT?  I'm fine with it, especially in pre season.  The only way to learn how to throw over the middle is to do it and to make some mistakes along the way.  The only way to learn to see the field is to look and throw.  He will continue to make mistakes that young qbs make.  Two or three years from now he will have mastered it. 

[bobblehead]

4 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Sure.  Do we even watch other games?

 

 

Has dealing with Brady for 18 years made us believe all QBs are flawless always?  

 

 

 

 

Hey, I’ve seen Brady do some stupid $&it under pressure too.

[Green Lightning]

5 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

I'm fine with Allen last night.  Still looks like a winner tome.

 

The INT?  I'm fine with it, especially in pre season.  The only way to learn how to throw over the middle is to do it and to make some mistakes along the way.  The only way to learn to see the field is to look and throw.  He will continue to make mistakes that young qbs make.  Two or three years from now he will have mastered it. 

Umm, sorry. That was a bone-head rookie throw. He needs to use less arm and more brains moving forward.

[Jpsredemption]

He was bad. No way around that. 

[KGun12TD]

If that one throw had worked in a positive way...we would have all been talking about his growth.

 

PRESEASON PEOPLE! R-e-l-a-x

 

Josh is going to have these moments in the reg season too...

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, Jpsredemption said:

He was bad. No way around that. 

 

False. But thanks for playing.

[thenorthremembers]

Six passes.  Please God let this preseaon end already.  

[McNubbins]

Some good, some bad (egregious actually), all preseason.

[thebandit27]

8 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

Umm, sorry. That was a bone-head rookie throw. He needs to use less arm and more brains moving forward.

 

Not sure you want to die on that hill...

 

That INT that was posted was Favre in his 48th season.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, thebandit27 said:

 

Not sure you want to die on that hill...

 

That INT that was posted was Favre in his 48th season.

 

One thing I've learned about bills fans is that half of them or more are utterly risk averse. 

[zow2]

Once the regular games begin,  Allen will start scrambling again, and for big gains.  That’s who he is.  He won’t just stop.  I do believe he will be a better passer this year as well.   Looking for a solid season from big Josh.  

[JohnC]

43 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

Does anyone care that he made that same throw last year for big completions in 3 different games--2 of which were for 50+ yards?

 

Yes, it's a throw he needs to learn not to force, but it's also a club that he should keep in his bag.

I'm not going to over-analyze a throw in the preseason. However, whether the pass was completed or not that throw was a poor decision. Sometimes when a team is in a desperate situation it has no choice other than to take risks. This was not that type of situation. Josh Allen is a smart guy who has a desire to get better. When the play is reviewed in the film room I'm confident that he will learn from his mistake on that play. As you well know it is a process. 

[Heitz]

I liked the part where he yelled "Ahhhhh that's bulls*t!" when Gore was hit late OOB...   

 

[Putin]

17 minutes ago, zow2 said:

Once the regular games begin,  Allen will start scrambling again, and for big gains.  That’s who he is.  He won’t just stop.  I do believe he will be a better passer this year as well.   Looking for a solid season from big Josh.  

I totally agree with this ^^^ !!! 

I like the ( Big Josh ) BTW  !!! 

 

 

 

[Drunken Pygmy Goat]

5 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

The throw was ugly but it's preseason

 

That IS the time to take some stupid risks and see what happens. Now he knows it doesn't fly in an NFL game

 

But that in essence is who Josh Allen is , a gunslinger who doesn't like to let plays die. I expect he will do that again in his career

 

So did Favre

 

My thoughts exactly, even the Favre reference.

 

That play instantly reminded me of the two hero ball INTs he threw early last season. I thought for sure he was going to throw it away when he neared the sideline, and was pretty disappointed to see the result. BUT, this is when you want to make those mistakes if you're going to make them.

 

Things have been awful rosey around Allen lately, and a little dose of humble pie in a "meaningless" preseason game doesn't hurt. 

[Putin]

16 minutes ago, JohnC said:

I'm not going to over-analyze a throw in the preseason. However, whether the pass was completed or not that throw was a poor decision. Sometimes when a team is in a desperate situation it has no choice other than to take risks. This was not that type of situation. Josh Allen is a smart guy who has a desire to get better. When the play is reviewed in the film room I'm confident that he will learn from his mistake on that play. As you well know it is a process. 

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[wiley16350]

6 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

that's the throw a wide eyed rookie makes...but not a 2nd year qb...

That's a throw that a desperate QB makes because he hasn't had success and doesn't get enough opportunities to succeed.  Plenty of veteran QB's have attempted that throw.  They do need to stop but the coaching staff can help by not limiting his opportunities to 3rd down.  The games Allen struggled the most were probably all game planned like this.  It drives me freaking crazy that coaches actually think the run first type of offense protects a QB.  Third down is the hardest down to pass on and first down is the easiest, you're actually putting too much pressure on the passing game when you only throw on 3rd down.  That is bad enough with an accurate QB, it is even more detrimental when you have a QB that needs to be in rhythm to be consistently accurate.  That game plan will guarantee that the Bills will be losers.  The 49ers with Montana passed early and often, then used the running game as a surprise to keep the defense guessing, that more than anything was why Montana and Young were well above other QB's in completion %.  The Patriots have done this same thing with Tom Brady.  They pass early and often.  It is one of the reasons completion percentages are higher, more teams are passing on first and second down then they used to.  People can make whatever excuse they want about giving a QB too many opportunities because you're afraid of all the bad things that can happen but when a QB knows he will have plenty of opportunity to make plays, he is going to be more willing to throw a pass away or take a check down.  Dan Marino and Drew Bledsoe threw the ball a lot but what people don't realize is that a lot of their passes came when they were losing and not early in the game.  Their coaches would try to force the run early and force them to convert 3rd downs consistently but sacks, drops, penalties and an occasional bad pass or decision would always end early drives.  Then at some point the coaches would be like well we got to give up on the run and they would let the QB try to win the game.  Sometimes they would and sometimes they wouldn't.  That was the genesis of my hatred of the run first philosophy.  It is a hard philosophy to win with and it is definitely not beneficial to the QB unless the team is great at protection, great at play calling and creating consistently make-able plays or that run first philosophy incorporates the QB like the Ravens did last year.  Run first like the Bills have done for years now, is one of the reasons they have consistently been a mediocre team.  It is a losers mentality to play that way and I can't watch the Bills this year if that is who they're going to be.

 

P.S.  I'm not excusing the throw, it was a bad decision but one that I feel was generated from the opportunities that Allen was getting and not something he would do if he was getting plenty of good opportunities to throw like he did in the first 2 games when the offense was pass first.

Edited August 24, 2019 by wiley16350
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[DaBillsFanSince1973]

5 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

I'd feel much more comfortable with that poor decision if it weren't for the first two third down attempts. It was not a good night and certainly discouraging. It's a preseason game in which he attempted a mere 6 passes. But he wasn't good. Doesn't mean he can't be guy; just means he's got a LONG ways to go.

yeah preseason games always tend to discourage me. I base all four ( three really) preseason games on how the season is going to unfold. throwing merely 6 passes on what was expected to be a run heavy night leaves me very worried. I don't even need to watch the fourth preseason game as starters may only  play a series so I can go ahead now and use last nights game as an indication of how the season will go forward and since I'm so discouraged I now feel they may win 4, maybe 5 games? man, these preseason games have just taken all the excitement I had in looking forward to the 2019 season. so discouraging.

[HOUSE]

The new beard needs some work

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

3 minutes ago, wiley16350 said:

  It is a losers mentality to play that way and I can't watch the Bills this year if that is who they're going to be.

they wont miss you and I'm sure nobody here will miss you either.