Da webster guy Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 To me he looks like the same size as he's always been. Have always liked him since he ripped up the senior bowl, and glad to see him coming on strong last year. Sad to see people still slamming Zay for his drops as a rookie. He overcame that nicely last year and I can't remember a single drop all season (maybe one). Stood out in the Miami game, knows how to keep moving and playing through the whistle, a good trait to have when you have a QB like Josh who can extend a drop back to five or six seconds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 1 hour ago, White Linen said: Josh Allen made him look a little more competent last year. I'm not saying it's time to move on from Zay but it's time to move on from believing he's going to turn into anything special. He's a complimentary guy and he'll play a few more seasons in the NFL then be an afterthought. Nah. You simply don't know, no matter how much you think you do. That's certainly a legitimate guess you have there. But it is indeed a guess. Some WRs take huge steps at this time in their careers. Eric Moulds is a good example, though there are many more. Zay had more TDs and more yards last year alone than Moulds had in his first two years combined. Then the light came on for Moulds. Will it come on for Zay? Dunno. Nobody does, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 3 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: But but he sucks Fixed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSHMEAB Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 48 minutes ago, vincec said: Wait, so were Zay's numbers bad because Allen was poor or did Allen have poor numbers because the WRs dropped lots of balls? Or should we just blame the OL for both and say they both got screwed? Let's not pretend like Allen was terrific at getting the ball out on time and ball placement. There was a serious lack of receiver separation, but this is not an either or proposition. The receiving core and OL are improved. Josh has a year of experience under his belt. There is reason for optimism that both the QB and the surrounding cast will perform at a higher level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codyny13 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 I thought he was much better w the hands last year than his rookie year. I don’t get why nobody sees his progression. I can see 700-800 yards out of this kid depending on how much we throw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said: Agreed, it is debatable and the answer would not be unanimous no matter who someone picked out of Zay or Foster as best WR last year. But I would bet that the over whelming majority would say Foster was the better WR down the stretch than Zay. And IMO, that is the correct answer. We have very different definitions of "good player" the 2nd Half the season...especially since he was terrible in weeks 14, 15 and 16. He played 6 games with Allen to end the season. He was terrible in 4 of them. Had 2 "good" games against a bad Miami team, yet he also dropped a critical catch that was a perfect throw by Allen that was one of the main reasons we lost the first Miami game. So even in one of his "good" games, he came up short when the team needed him to make the play...again. All water under the bridge now though...its all on him to make the most of his chances and prove he is better than what he's been for 2 years. And yet again, he in no way was terrible those last three weeks. Had an unproductive 14th week, but he was very solid week 15 and downright excellent week 16, and I say that as a person who went back and watched much of those two games - with All-22 - over the last three days or so. He was open a lot, even when he wasn't getting thrown to, and he was making catches when he was thrown to. He had a very good last two weeks and improved a lot over the last seven games as compared to the first nine, which is what should be expected of a second-year guy who misses most of training camp and the off-season. We certainly agree, though, that he still has a lot of improvement necessary if he's going to be a successful pick. 58 minutes ago, vincec said: Wait, so were Zay's numbers bad because Allen was poor or did Allen have poor numbers because the WRs dropped lots of balls? Or should we just blame the OL for both and say they both got screwed? It's very true that the whole system had major problems and didn't work as well as it should have. Everyone on offense was less productive than they might have been when surrounded by better players. How much so - especially for each individual person - is a question, but it's clear the offense wasn't working well. That hurt everyone. Edited May 7, 2019 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Allen having all the meaningful reps over the spring and summer should result in better timing for the passing offense. Having better Wrs in the offense Jones should see more opportunities. What he does with them are on him. I expect Jones to be the most productive Wr next season. I think he will end up leading the team in catches and Tds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 He can use those muscles to hold Brown, Beasley, Foster, and Sills bags 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Eric Moulds is a good example, though there are many more. Zay had more TDs and more yards last year alone than Moulds had in his first two years combined. Then the light came on for Moulds. Apples and pears. Jones had more targets in his second year alone (102) than Moulds had in his first two years combined (89). It's much more of a passing league today and Jones' production needs to be adjusted to what his contemporaries are putting up, not guys from twenty years ago. Eric Moulds Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Y/Tgt Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb AV 1996 23 BUF KR/wr 80 16 5 37 20 279 14.0 2 47 1.3 17.4 54.1% 7.5 12 44 0 11 3.7 2.8 0.8 32 10.1 323 2 1 3 1997 24 BUF KR/WR 80 16 8 52 29 294 10.1 0 32 1.8 18.4 55.8% 5.7 4 59 0 29 14.8 3.7 0.3 33 10.7 353 0 3 2 Zay Jones Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Y/Tgt Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb AV 2017 22 BUF WR 11 15 10 74 27 316 11.7 2 33 1.8 21.1 36.5% 4.3 27 11.7 316 2 0 3 2018 23 BUF WR 11 16 15 102 56 652 11.6 7 57 3.5 40.8 54.9% 6.4 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.1 57 11.4 652 7 1 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 With the OL of last year, it’s nearly impossible for any playmaker to look good and Zay looked alright to me. Not great, but alright. I expect more now that JA will have more time and we’re more comfortable with the Dabolls offense. He’s going to be a very noce conplimentary piece with Foster and Brown working the sidelines and Beasley over the middle along with the thought of JA running 5 minutes ago, Lurker said: Apples and pears. Jones had more targets in his second year alone (102) than Moulds had in his first two years combined (89). It's much more of a passing league today and Jones' production needs to be adjusted to what his contemporaries are putting up, not guys from twenty years ago. Eric Moulds Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Y/Tgt Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb AV 1996 23 BUF KR/wr 80 16 5 37 20 279 14.0 2 47 1.3 17.4 54.1% 7.5 12 44 0 11 3.7 2.8 0.8 32 10.1 323 2 1 3 1997 24 BUF KR/WR 80 16 8 52 29 294 10.1 0 32 1.8 18.4 55.8% 5.7 4 59 0 29 14.8 3.7 0.3 33 10.7 353 0 3 2 Zay Jones Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Y/Tgt Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb AV 2017 22 BUF WR 11 15 10 74 27 316 11.7 2 33 1.8 21.1 36.5% 4.3 27 11.7 316 2 0 3 2018 23 BUF WR 11 16 15 102 56 652 11.6 7 57 3.5 40.8 54.9% 6.4 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.1 57 11.4 652 7 1 5 Are there people that take the time to read that chart? Maybe it looks different on desktop, but on mobile, it’s a waste of time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 He looks like he has been training hard, good he should be. What he really should be doing is standing in front of a juggs machine set to max and catching balls all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: He's only half naked this offseason. More improvement? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Nah. You simply don't know, no matter how much you think you do. That's certainly a legitimate guess you have there. But it is indeed a guess. Some WRs take huge steps at this time in their careers. Eric Moulds is a good example, though there are many more. Zay had more TDs and more yards last year alone than Moulds had in his first two years combined. Then the light came on for Moulds. Will it come on for Zay? Dunno. Nobody does, really. Of course it's my projection. You didn't really think I believe I can see the future, did you? I mean I could try to be more clear for you but I kind of thought that part was implied because, you know, no one can tell the future. Some WR's take huge steps at this time, yes - most don't. Eric Moulds is your only Bills example not just a good one. Edited May 7, 2019 by White Linen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Is it too late to use the 9th overall pick on him? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 He’s no Karlos, that’s for sure..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 1 hour ago, offyourocker said: I really hate that so many fans are negative about him. He really improved last season especially in the second half when he had more time time playing/practicing with Josh. I think he will break a 1000 this year. And for those who say he can’t create separation, I am not sure what Bills games you have been watching -399 receptions in 4 yearsFBS record -18 of the 50 games he played he put up at least 100yds -22 receptions in a single game against South Carolina Dont you understand these stats prove he cant catch and cant get seperation.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 53 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: And yet again, he in no way was terrible those last three weeks. Had an unproductive 14th week, but he was very solid week 15 and downright excellent week 16, and I say that as a person who went back and watched much of those two games - with All-22 - over the last three days or so. He was open a lot, even when he wasn't getting thrown to, and he was making catches when he was thrown to. He had a very good last two weeks and improved a lot over the last seven games as compared to the first nine, which is what should be expected of a second-year guy who misses most of training camp and the off-season. We certainly agree, though, that he still has a lot of improvement necessary if he's going to be a successful pick. It's very true that the whole system had major problems and didn't work as well as it should have. Everyone on offense was less productive than they might have been when surrounded by better players. How much so - especially for each individual person - is a question, but it's clear the offense wasn't working well. That hurt everyone. He sucked in New England. No amount of spin can change that. A meaningless garbage touchdown on final play of a 3 score blow out does not equate to a good game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Is this intentional "salt shaking"? One of the primary beefs around here is that Smith-Schuster hit >70% of his catches for 917 yds during his rookie season, while Zay was struggling to catch just over 1/3 of his targets for 316 yds, after we traded up to take him ahead of Smith-Schuster. He was drafted due to heavy recommendation of WR Coach Phil McGeoghan. McGeoghan did not have much experience coaching in NFL being an assistant coach for Miami for 2 seasons before being promoted to WR coach for a year there. There was quite a bit of criticism from players in Miami of his coaching ability. He lost that job and went back to college at East Carolina where Zay Jones played. He was signed early as WR coach and recommended Jones (Coach McD mentioned he had lot of experience with him and recommended him) but McGeoghan did not have a lot of experience developing WRs. Coach McD met him when working for Panthers. Zay had trouble adjusting to NFL and McGeoghan did not seem to be able to help him. McGeoghan was allowed to look for another position with a number of coaches first year and I was surprised he was picked up by Anthony Lynn. While I am glad that Coach McD terminated coaches who were not performing well this year and previous year if he had taken more time and not made hasty signings of new coaches to build his staff in first place there would not be so much turnover. There were a number of good coaches on Rex's staff (no not his brother) he could have kept and would have cut down on the development time of some of the players. As coach: Maine (2007) Wide receivers coach & tight ends coach Navy Prep (2008) Offensive coordinator South Florida (2009–2011) Wide receivers coach Miami Dolphins (2012–2014) Assistant wide receivers coach Miami Dolphins (2015) Wide receivers coach East Carolina (2016) Wide receivers coach Buffalo Bills (2017) Wide receivers coach Los Angeles Chargers (2018–present) Wide receivers coach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 19 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: He sucked in New England. No amount of spin can change that. A meaningless garbage touchdown on final play of a 3 score blow out does not equate to a good game. ? he was the leading WR in both games and scored the only TD against them last year. I mean he might not of been good I guess but who the hell was in those games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, Warcodered said: ? he was the leading WR in both games and scored the only TD against them last year. I mean he might not of been good I guess but who the hell was in those games? Thats a fair statement, plenty of people stunk for sure, not just Zay. But the difference is, no one is trying to spin everyone else’s bad performances into a “good” one because of some meaningless final play of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Lurker said: Apples and pears. Jones had more targets in his second year alone (102) than Moulds had in his first two years combined (89). It's much more of a passing league today and Jones' production needs to be adjusted to what his contemporaries are putting up, not guys from twenty years ago. Eric Moulds Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Y/Tgt Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb AV 1996 23 BUF KR/wr 80 16 5 37 20 279 14.0 2 47 1.3 17.4 54.1% 7.5 12 44 0 11 3.7 2.8 0.8 32 10.1 323 2 1 3 1997 24 BUF KR/WR 80 16 8 52 29 294 10.1 0 32 1.8 18.4 55.8% 5.7 4 59 0 29 14.8 3.7 0.3 33 10.7 353 0 3 2 Zay Jones Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Y/Tgt Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb AV 2017 22 BUF WR 11 15 10 74 27 316 11.7 2 33 1.8 21.1 36.5% 4.3 27 11.7 316 2 0 3 2018 23 BUF WR 11 16 15 102 56 652 11.6 7 57 3.5 40.8 54.9% 6.4 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.1 57 11.4 652 7 1 5 Would the apples to apples comparison be yards per target? These numbers actually made me hopeful for the kid. He’s likely gonna stay his rookie contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 (edited) Zay was one of the most sure handed college WRs coming out. Needless to say, he was NOT that in the NFL for his 1st year. Personally, I would ideally like to see Zay keep Beasley off the field as our 4th WR and have Brown and Foster as our #1 and #2 (In whichever order) and Jones in the slot. Beane has a lot of confidence in him... that much is undeniable. Edited May 7, 2019 by transplantbillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 7 hours ago, Chill said: Did he drop the medicine ball? Hands of stone needs a haircut. He should concentrate working his legs. hes probably working every thing , that's just one pic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsgpr88 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 I understand the bad taste his rookie year left in the mouths of fans, but he caught more than half of Josh Allen's touchdown passes last year. I think he cannot be accurately assessed until we see this offense form an identity and demonstrate some consistency as a whole. Im hopeful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Any more pictures of his buttocks Yolo? A bit too much man boob going on for my tastes in that pic. I am moving him down my list of hottest Bills players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 10 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: ...LOL....he's been pretty "ripped" here too.............. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacGyver Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 10 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: while Zay was catching passes from Tyrod Taylor and Nathan Peterman, doesn't factor into the TBD assessment. The drops tho... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 11 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Hey! HOY-cue-lees! * Are you talking ‘Penn and Teller’ type levitation or ‘Jesus Christ - Son of God - divine intervention’ levitation? U being serious? 11 hours ago, njbuff said: Oh wow, another Zay Jones thiread. Where?? 8 hours ago, Lurker said: Apples and pears. Jones had more targets in his second year alone (102) than Moulds had in his first two years combined (89). It's much more of a passing league today and Jones' production needs to be adjusted to what his contemporaries are putting up, not guys from twenty years ago. Eric Moulds Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Y/Tgt Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb AV 1996 23 BUF KR/wr 80 16 5 37 20 279 14.0 2 47 1.3 17.4 54.1% 7.5 12 44 0 11 3.7 2.8 0.8 32 10.1 323 2 1 3 1997 24 BUF KR/WR 80 16 8 52 29 294 10.1 0 32 1.8 18.4 55.8% 5.7 4 59 0 29 14.8 3.7 0.3 33 10.7 353 0 3 2 Zay Jones Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Y/Tgt Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb AV 2017 22 BUF WR 11 15 10 74 27 316 11.7 2 33 1.8 21.1 36.5% 4.3 27 11.7 316 2 0 3 2018 23 BUF WR 11 16 15 102 56 652 11.6 7 57 3.5 40.8 54.9% 6.4 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.1 57 11.4 652 7 1 5 HOW DARE YOU USE FACTS TO SUPPORT THIS ARGUMENT!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 7 hours ago, YattaOkasan said: Would the apples to apples comparison be yards per target? These numbers actually made me hopeful for the kid. He’s likely gonna stay his rookie contract. We could. Season two ZJ was better Y/Tgt than EM. The QB's YPP should be factored into it too . But then ... When the argument is that Zay sucks because of his Catch % (and Drop rate), then you should look at the Catch % for comparison. You know what else you look at ??? TD's. ZJ 9 to EM 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badassgixxer05 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 I've said it before, his year 1 was soooo terrible that people really want to ignore his decent year 2. Good to see the kid is putting in work. Hope he really breaks through this year and makes a lot of us eat some crow.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 9 hours ago, Lurker said: Apples and pears. Jones had more targets in his second year alone (102) than Moulds had in his first two years combined (89). It's much more of a passing league today and Jones' production needs to be adjusted to what his contemporaries are putting up, not guys from twenty years ago. Eric Moulds Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Y/Tgt Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb AV 1996 23 BUF KR/wr 80 16 5 37 20 279 14.0 2 47 1.3 17.4 54.1% 7.5 12 44 0 11 3.7 2.8 0.8 32 10.1 323 2 1 3 1997 24 BUF KR/WR 80 16 8 52 29 294 10.1 0 32 1.8 18.4 55.8% 5.7 4 59 0 29 14.8 3.7 0.3 33 10.7 353 0 3 2 Zay Jones Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Y/Tgt Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb AV 2017 22 BUF WR 11 15 10 74 27 316 11.7 2 33 1.8 21.1 36.5% 4.3 27 11.7 316 2 0 3 2018 23 BUF WR 11 16 15 102 56 652 11.6 7 57 3.5 40.8 54.9% 6.4 1 0 0 0 0.0 0.0 0.1 57 11.4 652 7 1 5 Apples and pears are extremely similar unless you’re talking body shape Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: But then ... When the argument is that Zay sucks because of his Catch % (and Drop rate), then you should look at the Catch % for comparison. And over their first two years Moulds caught 55% of his balls and Zay caught 47%. Zay has to catch the ball more. Simple really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Since we're using stats, here is the more instructive one: Catch rate in games where final score was <8 points, 32%. These games accounted for 43% of his total targets. The guy is invisible when it matters. 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: And over their first two years Moulds caught 55% of his balls and Zay caught 47%. Zay has to catch the ball more. Simple really. I have a sense that many people who are using Moulds as the example never saw Moulds play in his 1st & 2nd years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, GG said: Since we're using stats, here is the more instructive one: Catch rate in games where final score was <8 points, 32%. These games accounted for 43% of his total targets. The guy is invisible when it matters. I have a sense that many people who are using Moulds as the example never saw Moulds play in his 1st & 2nd years. Excellent research GG. As for Moulds tbh I never saw his first two years. Before my time as an NFL watcher and Bills fan so I confess I am only going on the bare numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 We had 4 WR’s on the field a lot towards the end of the season. Zay, Foster, Beasley and Brown are going to be playing a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Excellent research GG. As for Moulds tbh I never saw his first two years. Before my time as an NFL watcher and Bills fan so I confess I am only going on the bare numbers. Glad you acknowledged that. Most people forget that the main reason that Moulds didn't get production early on is that he was in Levy's dog house. Whenever he got the chance, he produced and that always prompted questions about why he wasn't on the field more often? It's the exact opposite situation of Zay, who's always on the field but doesn't produce. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, GG said: Since we're using stats, here is the more instructive one: Catch rate in games where final score was <8 points, 32%. These games accounted for 43% of his total targets. The guy is invisible when it matters. I have a sense that many people who are using Moulds as the example never saw Moulds play in his 1st & 2nd years. Amazingly, a good chunk of the plays he made his senior year at ECU were in blowout games either way. Most of the close games he disappeared, (an outlier is his 22 catch game in a 20-15 loss to South Carolina). But it appears his entire career was made on padding stats in a gimmicky offense at meaningless times. It is apparent when you watch his highlight films and take a peek at the score. Not saying he is done, but his production is a bit of a mirage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Better offseason than last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 LOL. I love that he used the tag processing, as in, going through "the process". Good for him, hope he has a huge year for the Bills! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 12 hours ago, Augie said: Zay had something more than the usual transition going on. It seems he was held back by some stuff going on between his ears. We will probably never know what that’s about, which is probably as it should be. IF he has that worked out, I think he can be a very solid contributor, here or somewhere else. I like you hope that whatever internal issues he had plaguing him is now resolved. Getting that more serious personal issue resolved is more important than his performance on the field. You see players such as Incognito have episodes of trouble and forget that how those types of issues impact him on the field is less important than how it affects his life. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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