RD 6, Pick 181: S Jaquan Johnson, University of Miami

[MJS]

1 hour ago, 100DollarBills said:

What gets my blood boiling is losing and not having a WR worth a F over the last 10 years due to ineptness. Some of us have high standards, thankfully Beane seems to be fairly competent, but so far it doesn’t appear to be so for the WR department. 

Maybe you need to take a break from the Bills.

[yungmack]

1 hour ago, HarryLime said:

So if he makes the team and we have 3 Johnson's in the secondary, we can call our dime package a Bunch of *****.

 

I'll see myself out.

I like your screen name. Meet you at the ferris wheel.

 

[Scorp83]

7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Do you guys really think it's realistic that a 6th or 7th round pick is going to turn into a reliable, 1000+ yard per season  #1 WR?

 

I don't think we fans really have a clue who will or won't turn into even a capable NFL player at this point in the draft.

Even for guys who get paid to do this, the odds of success at this point in the draft are 5 or 10% (depending upon what you count as success - and that's not "becomes star" just "makes the team/active on game day/sees the field"

Depends on the player & the team taking a chance on them... Steve Smith, AB, Heck Stevie Johnson all develop into #1 WR's 

 

I was just being open minded about it.

[yungmack]

59 minutes ago, 100DollarBills said:

We signed Beasley and Brown, whom have been career #3s. We don’t have a WR that is capable of getting 1,000 yards a year. We need that in today’s NFL. 

Damn the Bills for not picking one of those #1 WRs in the 6th and 7th round. Pretty sure they're all better than anything the Bills have on the roster.?

[Scorp83]

28 minutes ago, BillsfanAZ said:

Not all teams have a legit #1 WR because they are hard to come by. If the Bills thought that Johnson could be that guy, they would have picked him already. 

Not nitpicking...but these are the same people that was high on Kelvin Benjamin, Brought in Anquan Boldin, chose to start Andre Holmes & Trade Sammy Watkins, Drafted Ray Ray McCloud & Austin Prohel like they would make an impact. 

 

Maybe WR isn't they're strong suit... #ImJusSayin 

 

So yea, I wouldn't say "if the Bills thought he was a #1 WR they would have picked him already."  

Edited April 27, 2019 by Scorp83

[akm0404]

10 minutes ago, Scorp83 said:

So yea, I wouldn't say "if the Bills thought he was a #1 WR they would have picked him already."  

 

I would definitely say that if the Bills thought a #1 WR was available in the 7th round, they would take them.  Doesn't feel like a stretch to me

[Trogdor]

1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said:

wth??

It is one of the first things they mention about every addition. 

[100DollarBills]

25 minutes ago, MJS said:

Maybe you need to take a break from the Bills.

Why would I do that. I can be highly critical of the team and still support them. 

[LSHMEAB]

30 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Do you guys really think it's realistic that a 6th or 7th round pick is going to turn into a reliable, 1000+ yard per season  #1 WR?

 

I don't think we fans really have a clue who will or won't turn into even a capable NFL player at this point in the draft.

Even for guys who get paid to do this, the odds of success at this point in the draft are 5 or 10% (depending upon what you count as success - and that's not "becomes star" just "makes the team/active on game day/sees the field"

Not sure if statistics bear it out, but it would seem the odds of a UDFA/6th/7th round pick sticking are roughly the same.

 

Maybe a draft pick has a better chance of making the roster year 1, but long term, doubt it's much different.

 

 

[RocCityRoller]

41 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

 

I think that job goes to Taron Johnson or EJ Gaines if Levi Wallace wins the job opposite Trae'Davious.

It's nice to be 3/6 deep at CB

 

White

Gaines

Wallace

 

all real NFL capable starters

 

T Johnson

K Johnson

L Pitts

 

all with NFL potential and playing time in real games

 

I expect a CB in UDFA since one wasn't selected!

 

I guess getting K Johnson and EJ Gaines are the additions there.

Good additions IMO

Edited April 27, 2019 by RocCityRoller

[Turk71]

40 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Bummed this thread about Jaquan has turned into a WR B word-fest.

Let's talk about Jaquan, what do you got?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

14 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

Not sure if statistics bear it out, but it would seem the odds of a UDFA/6th/7th round pick sticking are roughly the same.

Maybe a draft pick has a better chance of making the roster year 1, but long term, doubt it's much different.

 

It's a good question.  It would depend upon how one defines "sticking" and UDFA - not "Is is" ing ya here-

 

A lot of UDFA are brought into camp just for a "cup of coffee" audition at rookie minicamp.  If you count those, the odds for an UDFA are much lower. 

If you say "what are the odds of a UDFA vs 5-7th round guy making the roster, after he's been in the NFL (scout team or roster) 1 year?" you may be right.  I think because the teams invest *something* in a draft pick, they tend to give those guys a bit more of a look/chance.

[JerseyBills]

2 hours ago, Mountain Man said:

Seems like he is more of a Nickel Corner than safety. Which is a need

I feel he'll be used in the big Nickel package over Bush if he has a great TC. 

If Taron Johnson stays healthy he's a stud at the slot , but ya there's not much behind him.

[Rampage]

It's amazing the amount of crying going on here because we didn't take a WR in the 6th round. Get a hold of yourselves, for your sanities sake.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

42 minutes ago, Scorp83 said:

Depends on the player & the team taking a chance on them... Steve Smith, AB, Heck Stevie Johnson all develop into #1 WR's 

 

I was just being open minded about it.

 

Steve Smith, 3rd round pick.  Antonio Brown, I grant you. 

Stevie Johnson was an interesting case.  No doubt he was the Bills #1 for a time, but was that just a case of "I've seen ya #1 when nobody else was around", competing with other goonies (Dave Nelson, Donald Jones, Roscoe Parish)?  When he went off to SF and then to (then) SD, he was #3 on the wideout chart.  Still, he was good for a 3-peat of 1000 yd seasons, which is more than any Bills WR has managed since**, so give the man his propers.

 

**though contrary to low opinions, Sammy Watkins came within 1 penalty of back-to-backers with Orton and TT throwing to him for which he ought to get props IMO

[LSHMEAB]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It's a good question.  It would depend upon how one defines "sticking" and UDFA - not "Is is" ing ya here-

 

A lot of UDFA are brought into camp just for a "cup of coffee" audition at rookie minicamp.  If you count those, the odds for an UDFA are much lower. 

If you say "what are the odds of a UDFA vs 5-7th round guy making the roster, after he's been in the NFL (scout team or roster) 1 year?" you may be right.  I think because the teams invest *something* in a draft pick, they tend to give those guys a bit more of a look/chance.

I wouldn't define sticking as remaining on the roster for a season and then winding up driving for UPS. That's pretty much what I expect for Ray Ray. We struck gold with Foster.

 

The Proehl/Ray Ray/Foster angle would be really short sighted. I'm talking big picture. It seems like there has been just as many if not more UDFA receivers "stick" in comparison to 6/7th round picks. The sample size is a little unfair to the draft picks because there are far more UDFA's.

 

Overall, the point I'm trying to get across is that it doesn't really concern me that they didn't take a flier on a late round WR. Wouldn't have minded seeing one taken earlier, but it is what it is. There will be UDFA's that can contribute. It's up to regime to identify those guys. Another Foster is unlikely, but you gotta dig.

[FeelingOnYouboty]

Another great pick. Great locker room guy as well.

[RocCityRoller]

12 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

I feel he'll be used in the big Nickel package over Bush if he has a great TC. 

If Taron Johnson stays healthy he's a stud at the slot , but ya there's not much behind him.

 

Not much behind S or CB?

 

very deep at CB

 

only Bush at S

 

that's why I like that they addressed S

Edited April 27, 2019 by RocCityRoller

[JerseyBills]

51 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

It's nice to be 3/6 deep at CB

 

White

Gaines

Wallace

 

all real NFL capable starters

 

T Johnson

K Johnson

L Pitts

 

all with NFL potential and playing time in real games

 

I expect a CB in UDFA since one wasn't selected!

 

I guess getting K Johnson and EJ Gaines are the additions there.

Good additions IMO

Absolutely. We are deep pretty much at every position group!!

It's pretty amazing really, they totally rebuilt this roster , since McD took over , only Shady, Hughes and Lorax are starting from the previous regime! I think Shaq and Dimarco are the only other players left on this roster from the Rex Regime. 

 

That's 48/53 new players on this team since early 2017, which is a total tear down and rebuild. And expectations are sky high imo. That's a great accomplishment for McBeane .  They added a young , legit core - Edmunds,Allen, Tre , Milano , Levi , Taron , Foster are all impact players drafted since 17.

Plus Harrison Phillips , Dawkins and Zay have the potential and are close to getting to that point and Ed Oliver, Ford and Knox likely start in their rookie year . Just phenomenal drafting , which is how you build great teams that have long term success. 

 

I love this staff. We struck gold imo and 2019 is the beginning of an era imo , which was their blueprint and vision the whole time

43 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

Not much behind S or CB?

 

very deep at CB

 

only Bush at S

 

that's why I like that they addressed S

Well I meant slot, but we can have guys fill in if needed, we are VERY talented and deep at CB .

We do have Neal also at S, who is a question mark but got some play time last year and hopefully can make a jump. Also Maurice Alexander at S but he's listed as LB so I'm not sure. 

Either way, I'm also glad we got a S

[Mat68]

Bottom of the draft it's either high character workers or Athletes with potential.  This sounds like a guy who can learn from Hyde.  Who was not a high pick either, who ran slow.  

Edited April 27, 2019 by Mat68

[ColoradoBills]

5 hours ago, Mopreme said:

Another lackluster pick.  A lot of talent left including some who have a chance to compete for a starting position.  This guy's only chance is special teams and then practice squad.  

 

4 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Slow. Small. Religious. 

Waste of a pick but at this point these are all marginal guys.

No WR or pass rusher to develop yet. But at least they aren't taking unathletic guards with no hope of making the team.

 

 

4 hours ago, 100DollarBills said:

What gets my blood boiling is losing and not having a WR worth a F over the last 10 years due to ineptness. Some of us have high standards, thankfully Beane seems to be fairly competent, but so far it doesn’t appear to be so for the WR department. 

 

I just want to take a minute to thank you guys for all you do.

I have been a fan of this team for more decades than I wish to admit but these posts have convinced me to abandon this team.

 

You all are truly inspirational!

[MJS]

3 hours ago, 100DollarBills said:

Why would I do that. I can be highly critical of the team and still support them. 

Might have to look up the definition of "support".

[Bob in STL]

He has a battle to make ,this team but he is a battler. Could be a PS guy. 

[Mango]

6 hours ago, Rocket94 said:

Special teams are a vital part of a team! People tend to forget that.

 

I sort of agree. I think special teams play is always a good indication of roster depth. Obviously Crossman was a very serious issue, but we’ve gutted the roster the last two years as well. It hasn’t been a surprise they haven’t been good. 

[RocCityRoller]

40 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

He has a battle to make ,this team but he is a battler. Could be a PS guy. 

 

After Bush S depth is terrible at best

[Rocket94]

6 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

I sort of agree. I think special teams play is always a good indication of roster depth. Obviously Crossman was a very serious issue, but we’ve gutted the roster the last two years as well. It hasn’t been a surprise they haven’t been good. 

I agree...a team in transition with a fan base demanding a winner...new gm and coach...whole new philosophy. Assemble all talent that resources allow and make it work!

[The Bills Blog]

The fourth and final safety spot is currently occupied by Neal, and I definitely like Johnson more as a prospect. He'll have every opportunity.

 

CB is absolutely set with White, Wallace, T. Johnson, K. Johnson, Gaines, and Pitts, who the Bills love.

[Rampage]

19 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Slow. Small. Religious. 

Waste of a pick but at this point these are all marginal guys.

No WR or pass rusher to develop yet. But at least they aren't taking unathletic guards with no hope of making the team.

 

I'm about the furthest you can get from religious and never have been, but how is one being religious a knock against them as a player? That's absolutely mind boggling.

[NoSaint]

16 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

I wouldn't define sticking as remaining on the roster for a season and then winding up driving for UPS. That's pretty much what I expect for Ray Ray. We struck gold with Foster.

 

The Proehl/Ray Ray/Foster angle would be really short sighted. I'm talking big picture. It seems like there has been just as many if not more UDFA receivers "stick" in comparison to 6/7th round picks. The sample size is a little unfair to the draft picks because there are far more UDFA's.

 

Overall, the point I'm trying to get across is that it doesn't really concern me that they didn't take a flier on a late round WR. Wouldn't have minded seeing one taken earlier, but it is what it is. There will be UDFA's that can contribute. It's up to regime to identify those guys. Another Foster is unlikely, but you gotta dig.

 

In part, there are just sooooo many interchangeable guys that deep in a class. 

 

6 ft tall, 200 lbs, can run at least a 4.6ish and catch isn’t that rare of a body type or baseline skill set and it’s a position a lot of kids gravitate towards. 

6 minutes ago, Rampage said:

I'm about the furthest you can get from religious and never have been, but how is one being religious a knock against them as a player? That's absolutely mind boggling.

 

Mentioned it earlier- I can’t speak for that post but I think the comments less about him being bad for being religious and more about the idea that McD might overvalue guys that he relates to on that front. We’ve seen the commentary bubble up a few places (peterman for instance)

[billsfan89]

The Bills needed a bit more depth at safety. I think this is the exact kind of player that will push the current backups and have a chance at developing. I can't say much about late round picks other than is this a guy that can at least come in and push current guys on the roster? Yes, and possibly have a ST impact is a nice bonus. 

[Mark Vader]

On 4/27/2019 at 12:53 PM, d_wag said:

I thought neal showed very well as a rookie, core ST guy who showed well when given limited D snaps, would be disappointing to cut a guy like that one year in to his rookie deal

I think Neal did alright last year, and he should be given more opportunities.

Drafting Jaquan Johnson adds more competition, which is needed.

[Mat68]

I like his odds of making the team.  Team captain on a very good defense.  Seems like a natural fit behind Hyde and boost ST.

[MrEpsYtown]

This guy was super productive and most people seem to think he would have been a 2-3 round pick if he didn't run such a terrible 40. 

[BADOLBILZ]

36 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

This guy was super productive and most people seem to think he would have been a 2-3 round pick if he didn't run such a terrible 40. 

 

As a Hurricane fan I'd say they got him about where he belonged to go.

 

He was solid but unspectacular.    He's got the tools to play in the NFL though.

 

The upside with a lot of Miami prospects is they usually have more undeveloped talent entering the league than players at other big name schools.   The program has a lot of room for improvement in how they get players ready for the NFL.    So there is usually some room to improve.

 

Also quite a few of their players are under recruited and under hyped because of the depth of talent at local HS's.   Johnson was a pretty good recruit though.   4 star and a top 15 safety in his class so he ended up right about where he entered as a prospect.   Consistent.

[FLFan]

On 4/27/2019 at 5:28 PM, DrDawkinstein said:

Bummed this thread about Jaquan has turned into a WR B word-fest.

Every drafted player thread with the exception of Oliver has been WR B word fest.  

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

On 4/28/2019 at 11:02 AM, Rampage said:

I'm about the furthest you can get from religious and never have been, but how is one being religious a knock against them as a player? That's absolutely mind boggling.

 

...mind boggling?...it is down right repulsive.....how sad AND ignorant....must be a new combine measurable I missed.....

[NoSaint]

6 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...mind boggling?...it is down right repulsive.....how sad AND ignorant....must be a new combine measurable I missed.....

Dramatic much? 

 

Ill again echo that I think the implication here is that McD had his friend, this guys DC, chirping in his ear about what a great young guy he is and maybe McD likes the character of men of the lord, perhaps even at the expense of a few ticks in the 40 or excusing an arm that’s a little weaker. 

 

If this same player was at ASU maybe he doesn’t get the call? I suppose it ends up being a Rorschach test for what you think of things like playing peterman and drafting proehl.

 

i do think late in day 3 they’ve been ok taking risks on guys they like instead of the best football players. It doesn’t bug me much though as you normally see 1-2 starters total in round 6. If they throw a pick at investing in their intel pipeline and having a good personality at camp - go for it. It’s not like he’s truly less likely then anyone else on the board at that point and he will be easy to root for. Hopefully we don’t see him get burned though. ?‍♂️

[SCBills]

27 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

Dramatic much? 

 

Ill again echo that I think the implication here is that McD had his friend, this guys DC, chirping in his ear about what a great young guy he is and maybe McD likes the character of men of the lord, perhaps even at the expense of a few ticks in the 40 or excusing an arm that’s a little weaker. 

 

If this same player was at ASU maybe he doesn’t get the call? I suppose it ends up being a Rorschach test for what you think of things like playing peterman and drafting proehl.

 

i do think late in day 3 they’ve been ok taking risks on guys they like instead of the best football players. It doesn’t bug me much though as you normally see 1-2 starters total in round 6. If they throw a pick at investing in their intel pipeline and having a good personality at camp - go for it. It’s not like he’s truly less likely then anyone else on the board at that point and he will be easy to root for. Hopefully we don’t see him get burned though. ?‍♂️

 

Pretty sure the vast majority of NFL players identify as Christian.   Some more devout than others.  

[BaaadThingsMan]

This off season has significantly upgraded the special teams units. This pick will help with that.

[JerseyBills]

i was going to start a thread but i'm having trouble posting screenshots of the comments, anyway, iv'e never seen such positive feedback on a 6th rd pick. On twitter, a few Gator fans responded to me and others and are just raving about this kid. I understand fan bases have a tendency to overrate our players but there are tons of positive comments and really no negative ones. " You got the steal of the draft" " You guys hit the jackpot with this kid" " Just wait til you realize what type of player this kid is". 

 

Basically just alot of stuff along those lines, so it interested me to do some digging and i was pretty blown away this kid wasn't taken before the 4th. What caught my eye most was his instincts, which is a fantastic trait for a S. Obviously he's not leap frogging Poyer or Hyde but I think he can leap frog Bush. Nonetheless, i think he's a lock to make this roster, and we quietly added some nice depth behind our 2 stud safeties and McD loves his Big Nickel package (2 LB, 3 S, 2 CB)