DE, Brian Burns Should Be the Pick

[wppete]

Brian Burns looks like a longer version of Von Miller. His length, speed and athleticism is unreal. He has been to Buffalo for a visit already and would love to see us trade back to mid teens pick up an extra 2nd and take Burns. He is going to be a star in the NFL especially if he adds some weight. I’d draft him over Bosa and J. Allen. If we don’t draft him I hope he stays out of the AFC East. 

 

 

 

 

-Brian Burns

“I actually try to pattern my game after a lot of people. I feel like I take bits and pieces from the people I like to watch as far as Khalil Mack, Von Miller, Leonard Floyd, Dee Ford. There’s a lot of dudes. I just look at them. Whatever I see from their game I try to take bits and pieces and combine it to my own.”

[mrags]

Burns is a beast. 

 

Jaylon Ferguson is also a monster and would a steal in the 2nd round. Most mocks I’ve seen have him going late first to early 2nd. 

 

Another guy guy that’s under the radar imo is Jacai Polite out of Florida. A cheaper version of the 2 imo. Might have the best get off the line out of all of them. But he’s projected to be a mid to late round guy. A real sleeper imo. 

[Jay_Fixit]

Yep I’d be fine with it.

 

As long as Cornette’s Commentary doesn’t have anything to say about it.

Edited April 18, 2019 by Jay_Fixit

[Mat68]

Hes in the running I bet.  

[Paul Costa]

TRUST THE PROCESS ?

[mrags]

22 minutes ago, wppete said:

Brian Burns looks like a longer version of Von Miller. His length, speed and athleticism is unreal. He has been to Buffalo for a visit already and would love to see us trade back to mid teens pick up an extra 2nd and take Burns. He is going to be a star in the NFL especially if he adds some weight. I’d draft him over Bosa and J. Allen. If we don’t draft him I hope he stays out of the AFC East. 

 

 

 

 

-Brian Burns

“I actually try to pattern my game after a lot of people. I feel like I take bits and pieces from the people I like to watch as far as Khalil Mack, Von Miller, Leonard Floyd, Dee Ford. There’s a lot of dudes. I just look at them. Whatever I see from their game I try to take bits and pieces and combine it to my own.”

I look at it this way.

 

Would you rather have Burns at DE and Tillery or Simmons at DT?

 

Or

 

Wilkins or Ed Oliver at DT and Ferguson at DE?

 

[NoSaint]

Longer Von Miller and like him more than Bosa and you are talking trade back.... 

 

 

[IgotBILLStopay]

I like Burns too. Just not at 9. Maybe in the twenties.

[poblano]

If you really like a player why don't reach for him?

especially if you see a (sort of)Von Miller or Bosa

[Bray Wyatt]

I’d like him at 9 over Hockenson for sure

[Virgil]

Why now?  We will most likely re-sign Hughes and could very well re-sign Lawson?  Why spend a top 10 pick on a guy that may not even start?

 

I think he could be better than Lawson, but then what do you do with him?  

 

If he played edge and rotated with Lorax, okay.  I just don’t see how it works for that high of a pick. 

 

But please educate me 

[Putin]

2 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said:

I’d like him at 9 over Hockenson for sure

We need a TE and we have 10 picks we should be able to get back in the 1st  and get both , 

[BillsVet]

45 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

Yep I’d be fine with it.

 

As long as Cornette’s Commentsry doesn’t have anything to say about it.

 

Is that similar to a Bennett Brauer commentary?  

 

"I'm not camera friendly." Or, "Maybe I'm not...the norm."  Or, "I don't wear clothes that fit me."  

[BuffaloRebound]

He’s a risky pick in the top 15.  He could turn out to be one of the best players in the draft, but he could just as easily be swallowed up by NFL tackles if he’s not committed to getting stronger and keeping on weight.  

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

11 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Why now?  We will most likely re-sign Hughes and could very well re-sign Lawson?  Why spend a top 10 pick on a guy that may not even start?

 

I think he could be better than Lawson, but then what do you do with him?  

 

If he played edge and rotated with Lorax, okay.  I just don’t see how it works for that high of a pick. 

 

But please educate me 

I'm not sure that they will re-sign Lawson, especially if they don't pick up his fifth year option.  If they stick to BPA in the draft, they won't worry how they will get him on the field (at least according to Beane).  He would be a rotational player to start and earn more playing time with good performance.  I don't care for this scenario but it is one that they may follow.  I agree with you that we need to select an impact starter with our pick at 9.  It's not like the Bills have a loaded roster and can afford for a number 9 pick to wait on the sidelines.

[TigerJ]

Are we going to see a thread like this for every possible pick the Bills could make in the first round.  I think we've seen threads for most of them already.

[BillsFan17]

40 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Why now?  We will most likely re-sign Hughes and could very well re-sign Lawson?  Why spend a top 10 pick on a guy that may not even start?

 

I think he could be better than Lawson, but then what do you do with him?  

 

If he played edge and rotated with Lorax, okay.  I just don’t see how it works for that high of a pick. 

 

But please educate me 

If thats a good enough pass rush tandem for you, might want to elevate your standards. 

[Socal-805]

Aaron Maybin  

Height: 6-4   Weight: 237   Age: 31

 

2.0 ??

 

[mrags]

1 hour ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

I like Burns too. Just not at 9. Maybe in the twenties.

He won’t make it past the mid to late teens 

1 hour ago, Virgil said:

Why now?  We will most likely re-sign Hughes and could very well re-sign Lawson?  Why spend a top 10 pick on a guy that may not even start?

 

I think he could be better than Lawson, but then what do you do with him?  

 

If he played edge and rotated with Lorax, okay.  I just don’t see how it works for that high of a pick. 

 

But please educate me 

Hughes is getting old. Lawson hasn’t shown anything more than a rotational guy at best. 

 

Pass rusher is one of our most needed positions moving forward. He’s one of the best in the entire draft if not the best. Arguably. 

 

Our pass as rush was terrible last season and with Lorax and Hughes getting even older it won’t get any better. Get a guy now to rotate in and possibly steal a spot away as a starter if he’s good enough out of the gate. 

1 hour ago, Putin said:

We need a TE and we have 10 picks we should be able to get back in the 1st  and get both , 

Kinda goes along with my original take. Could trade back for extra picks. Get Wilkins it Ferguson or both. Or one or the other and trade back up for one of the TEs. I’m not sure Hock will be better than Fant. But both should be very good. 

1 hour ago, BillsFan17 said:

If thats a good enough pass rush tandem for you, might want to elevate your standards. 

This 

54 minutes ago, Socal-805 said:

Aaron Maybin  

Height: 6-4   Weight: 237   Age: 31

 

2.0 ??

 

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[Logic]

1 hour ago, Virgil said:

Why now?  We will most likely re-sign Hughes and could very well re-sign Lawson?  Why spend a top 10 pick on a guy that may not even start?

 

I think he could be better than Lawson, but then what do you do with him?  

 

If he played edge and rotated with Lorax, okay.  I just don’t see how it works for that high of a pick. 

 

But please educate me 

Bills were 26th in sacks last year.

I don't believe Lawson will be re-signed. Even if he is, he's nothing more than an edge setter in the run game and a 5 sack per year kind of guy.

Hughes will be 31 at the end of this season. How much longer does he have? And does it make sense for such a young team to give a big contract to a guy whose best days may be behind him?

That leaves the Bills next season with Murphy and MAYBE an aging Hughes. The lack of pass rushing productivity last year combined with the contract situations of the edge players on the Bills roster makes an edge player a big need. You may be right that he'd only see the field on certain downs this season. The selection of such a player would be more about NEXT season and the seasons to come. 

At the end of the day, McDermott and Beane have yet to commit ANY draft resources at the edge position. That's crazy. It's ESPECIALLY crazy for a guy like McDermott, who doesn't like to call many blitzes and who relies on his front four to get pressure. As good as McD's Bills defenses have been at times, just imagine how dominant they could be if they could actually pressure and sack the opposing QB on a more consistent basis!


 

[mrags]

1 minute ago, Just Joshin' said:

So you really believe he is one of the top 9 players in the draft?  Interesting.

He’s probably top 20 easily. Could be around 15 or so. But if he’s your guy, don’t okay around. Just get him 

2 minutes ago, Logic said:

Bills were 26th in sacks last year.

I don't believe Lawson will be re-signed. Even if he is, he's nothing more than an edge setter in the run game and a 5 sack per year kind of guy.

Hughes will be 31 at the end of this season. How much longer does he have? And does it make sense for such a young team to give a big contract to a guy whose best days may be behind him?

That leaves the Bills next season with Murphy and MAYBE an aging Hughes. The lack of pass rushing productivity last year combined with the contract situations of the edge players on the Bills roster makes an edge player a big need. You may be right that he'd only see the field on certain downs this season. The selection of such a player would be more about NEXT season and the seasons to come. 

At the end of the day, McDermott and Beane have yet to commit ANY draft resources at the edge position. That's crazy. It's ESPECIALLY crazy for a guy like McDermott, who doesn't like to call many blitzes and who relies on his front four to get pressure. As good as McD's Bills defenses have been at times, just imagine how dominant they could be if they could actually pressure and sack the opposing QB on a more consistent basis!


 

Very logical. 

[Putin]

Let’s NOT forget how bad our offense was last year , ( one of the worst) now this is just my opinion but I say OL is still at play if J Taylor is there at 9 , 

if not we NEED a weapon on offense, if Honck is the guy that can help Allen and create mismatches/headache for a defense then get him , ( yes at 9 ) we have to get better on offense it will also help our defense if we’re able  to move the chains , 

[BillsFan1988]

I like Burns but his play weight concerns the hell out of me.  I believe he was playing at 231 last yr. I seen him on NFL network and the dude is very thin.  I realize Von Miller was somewhat the same size coming out but if u take another look Von is 6'2 and Burns 6'5 there lower bodies look completely different.  I want my pass rusher to be thick in legs and backside. Burns is very talented but we need to be careful with guys like these.  Btw Von Miller is the exception not the rule of great pass rushers.  

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Maybin

 

 

[quincy]

I have wanted him to be the Bills first round choice for 3 weeks or so now. He has had three solid years at Florida State and will only turn 21 next Tuesday (23 April).

 

If Buffalo can manoeuvre a small trade down and net a further 2nd round pick, my ideal scenario would be Burns, Metcalf/Hockenson/Jacobs (have to get an offensive playmaker and sacrifice the extra 2nd round pick received) and then Irv Smith Jr (he could be available in the mid-lower second round and justify another small trade down).

 

Fourth pick will then be a DT or assuming Jachai Polite is still sliding I'd choose him, he is a disruptor causing fumbles off the edge. I would be ok with Renell Wren or Khalen Saunders as a mid round DT choice. Burns and Polite would leave the Bills in a good position if Lawson, Hughes or Murphy are not retained/extended. 

 

I have confidence that Jordan Phillips will be motivated and will be a decent placeholder 3 technique. 

 

 

[MrEpsYtown]

5 hours ago, mrags said:

I look at it this way.

 

Would you rather have Burns at DE and Tillery or Simmons at DT?

 

Or

 

Wilkins or Ed Oliver at DT and Ferguson at DE?

 

 

I think that's a great question, but I have to say I'd rather have Oliver and Ferguson.

Edited April 18, 2019 by MrEpsYtown

[gonzo1105]

I know I’m in the minority but I’d draft Burns as a SAM LB and 3rd down DE. We need a replacement for Zo. 

 

He has almost the exact height/weight as Edmunds did and it takes him away from the wash a bit more.

 

I also think he more than showed ay the combine that he is very comfortable in a 2 point stance and dropping into coverage

[CaptnCoke11]

Good array of pass rushing moves.  He’ll be a good one

[JoPar_v2]

Compared to both Von Miller and Aaron Maybin in the same thread...not sure what to believe!?

[SWATeam]

6 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Maybin

 

 

Lazy ass analysis.

 

Watch him.

[Rocket94]

This whole situation is obvious. We need defensive players that can stop people right now. Last year, several marginal running backs looked like Barry Sanders against us, and we need to get to the passer. I do not see any improvement from Lawson. Hughes is still very effective. Lawson, Murphy and Lorax need to be replaced...they simply are not good enough.

The verdict will be out on Edmunds as a ILB as well. His natural position is the outside. 

[Victory Formation]

Comparisons to Maybin are unfair in the sense that Maybin was a one year wonder whereas Burns had 3 years of decent production. I still don't want him though as i do think he may get handled in the NFL by tackles. Kind of lanky IMO.

[BillsFan17]

7 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Maybin

 

 

So, in that case, Jerry Hughes is Maybin as well? 

[Rocket94]

Burns has the electricity that this team needs. I remember the Maybin pick. The climate in Buffalo at the time was "Do not draft Maybin"...yet they did anyway. We all knew he was a bust...real strong visceral feeling. I do not have that feeling with Burns.

[Bray Wyatt]

11 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

So, in that case, Jerry Hughes is Maybin as well? 

 

People are just traumatized from Maybin.  Many people (atleast on bbmb not sure about here) were saying they didnt want von miller when he was coming out bc he was Maybin

[Rocket94]

I feel the Bills wanted Von Miller..he was their first choice. In 2007, Patrick Willis may have been their first choice...San Fran scooped him up. I have a good feeling about Burns. This kid is dedicated to his game.

[BillsMafia13]

11 hours ago, TigerJ said:

Are we going to see a thread like this for every possible pick the Bills could make in the first round.  I think we've seen threads for most of them already.

Well if somebody here thinks hes worth the pick at 9 why not? Unless we're only going off your big board

Edited April 18, 2019 by BillsMafia13

[Mr. WEO]

11 hours ago, Virgil said:

Why now?  We will most likely re-sign Hughes and could very well re-sign Lawson?  Why spend a top 10 pick on a guy that may not even start?

 

I think he could be better than Lawson, but then what do you do with him?  

 

If he played edge and rotated with Lorax, okay.  I just don’t see how it works for that high of a pick. 

 

But please educate me 

 

 

He would be a day one starter right off the bus.

[Niagara Dude]

6 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

I think that's a great question, but I have to say I'd rather have Oliver and Ferguson.

Aaron Maybin ,  sorry no thanks

[Chuck Wagon]

He played around 220 last year, then stacked on 20+ lbs for the combine to have decent measurables.  He's a very scary pick at #9 IMO.