Tenhigh Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Jauronimo said: I heard that you're a crap person who calls people baked goods. #@<% YOU, SCONE!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 minute ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: And I didn't realize how good the line was. Joel Bitonio, Zeitler OGs and Greg Robinson at tackle. Great on paper. Add in if they're high picks on D turn out: Ogbah, Sheldon Richardson, Myles Garrett, Denzel Ward Zeitler was shipped out for Vernon from NY. Which bolsters the pass rush opposite garret 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sven233 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Sal Capaccio ?Verified account @SalSports To add to Tim’s report, I’ve been told by source with direct knowledge of events that that conversation/phone call from Giants to Bills took place last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob16151 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: And I didn't realize how good the line was. Joel Bitonio, Zeitler OGs and Greg Robinson at tackle. Great on paper. Add in if they're high picks on D turn out: Ogbah, Sheldon Richardson, Myles Garrett, Denzel Ward Zeitler is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, cle23 said: The pick is 95, the Pats 3rd. And it looks like they are swapping Peepers for Earl Thomas. Peppers is above average. He isn't great yet. And their first of course. I'd pull the trigger yeah. But ours would involve our 9th overall, or.. idk who cares. I'd definitely do something similar, hard to beat that package but I would. I'd make the trade. But I'd have rather just paid AB with less picks like I said. I'd have done either one. Just want to see JA with a weapon along with the WR depth.. Brown/Foster are a lot more dangerous when a dude across from them is drawing doubles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Giants fleeced the Browns. A first, 3rd, and Peppers for a WR??? Holy hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 In a perfect world, the Giants go through the draft without taking a QB and Eli retires the night before training camp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, JerseyBills said: Lol. That's why both teams took enormous cap hits to get rid of them. If you never played the game at a high level that's fine , but you might not understand how important that locker room culture is. It's absolutely necessary for winning . How many playoff wins does AB and OBJ have? Exactly I thought the point of building a strong lockerroom / culture McBeane preaches about ad nauseum is precisely to get these people. To be confident we can do better with talent than teams with weaker lockerrooms. We always say "oh the Patriots will totally get that lockerroom poison to shape up and be productive yet again" Is that not the point of building an established culture to take on these sort of players and get their best value other lockerrooms that lack the prerequisite foundation couldn't? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chuck Wagon Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 The Browns added Odell Beckham, Earl Thomas and Sheldon Richardson today. And there are people on this board who’ll argue the Bills are better than them with a straight face. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 29 minutes ago, sven233 said: Sal Capaccio ?Verified account @SalSports To add to Tim’s report, I’ve been told by source with direct knowledge of events that that conversation/phone call from Giants to Bills took place last week. Hopefully he asked about Evan Engram before he hung up 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 46 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: As I was saying.... ? Put some RESPECT on my name!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: So if all the qbs from last year besides Mayfield suck, and Barkley is a HOF rb, it’s a bad move? Taking a RB anywhere in the top of the 1st round is a bad move. Taking one in the top 3 is indefensible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, JerseyBills said: I'm going to gracefully bow out of this conversation and continue it in October when the Browns aren't living up to the ridiculous expectations the fans n media will paint. The guy has never even been to the playoffs , he isn't WORTH the negative impact he will have on the locker room. He's already demanding to have his contact redone. I live in Giant/Jet land with basically all my friends fans of either. He is perceived as a nutcase , selfish and has very negative impact towards the process of building a winning culture. There's a reason Gettleman and Schurmer gladly took that deal . They understand that this primadonna , very talented WR will not benefit this team to long term success... There's a reason every Giant fan I spoke to is thrilled right now.. keep listening to ESPN though ! They bailed on AB for dirt cheap draft capital and we don't know the details on obj. My guess is due diligence. If he could front load a contract n get out without a huge cap hit , why not inquire? He did nothing though and never was close If the Giants wanted him gone so badly before why did they sign him to a massive deal last off-season?? I live in Giants/jets land too and I've received a half dozen texts tonight and two phone calls with livid Giants fans saying this is the worst trade they've ever seen. 58 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: Pardon me. One appearance. As many as Zay Jones . And had very little impact in post season. Man I'm good n love what we're building here. Some don't see it or understand it yet. But you will soon enough. we had a plan and executed it. Obj is already causing Cleveland a headache about his contract and being on Cle . I'm done - quote me please , OBJ will post pedestrian numbers in 2019 on the Browns . I will put my house on that. Mysterious injuries , ridiculous antics, super selfish. I'm so glad this guy isn't a Bill. I'm DONE What mysterious injury?? He had a high ankle sprain that he returned from too soon leading to a season ending ankle fracture. I didn't know you could fake a broken bone. 5 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: As I was saying.... ? Put some RESPECT on my name!! What?? Maybe it's because obj wasn't on the freaking trade block and the Giants decided to start gauging his value. Nowhere in that tweet does it say the bills weren't interested after the Giants contacted them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 21 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: The Browns added Odell Beckham, Earl Thomas and Sheldon Richardson today. And there are people on this board who’ll argue the Bills are better than them with a straight face. Cause we're playing moneyball babeee.... (IN A SALARY CAPPED LEAGUE WHICH MAKES NO SENSE FOR MONEYBALL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: Cause we're playing moneyball babeee.... (IN A SALARY CAPPED LEAGUE WHICH MAKES NO SENSE FOR MONEYBALL) Isn't the moneyball philosophy about using advanced metrics and new age analytics to build a team by finding players who represent good value without breaking the bank?? It was Billy Beane who developed it to build the As on a small market budget. If anything I think it's perfectly suited to a salary cap league more than anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorp83 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, White Linen said: I think you need culture to win or at least to sustain it. Maybe culture isn't the word but there's a cohesion to the best teams - and the perennial winning teams have that coach that do great at keeping things together. The Browns have a good bit to prove from an organizational and coaching perspective. They have the talent to make that a whole lot easier. This explains why winning trumps Culture! Once you win...your Culture automatically changes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Giants fleeced the Browns. A first, 3rd, and Peppers for a WR??? Holy hell I don't agree that the Browns were fleeced but I will say people are overreacting about how bad this is for the Giants. 2 fairly high picks for a WR that isn't going to be worth anything to them while they rebuild over the next couple years. I mean they should have drafted a QB last year, but since they didn't they might as well prepare for a couple bad seasons and stock draft picks for their future QB. Also not convinced on the Browns yet. Every year a dream team is formed and every year it fails. Rams came pretty close last year, that's about it. Edited March 13, 2019 by HappyDays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorp83 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, White Linen said: I think you need culture to win or at least to sustain it. Maybe culture isn't the word but there's a cohesion to the best teams - and the perennial winning teams have that coach that do great at keeping things together. The Browns have a good bit to prove from an organizational and coaching perspective. They have the talent to make that a whole lot easier. Same Thing Once you wins some games... that will automatically chance your Culture Edited March 13, 2019 by Scorp83 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Imo 9 was a hang up for Beane. You have what should be a very good player on a contract 25 cents to the dollar. They can still use an impact player anywhere on the field. Imo the organization values a first rd pick over a #1 wr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said: Giants fleeced the Browns. A first, 3rd, and Peppers for a WR??? Holy hell This would have been funny as sarcasm maybe 2 hours ago, when to might have been more....fresh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr. WEO Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I don't agree that the Browns were fleeced but I will say people are overreacting about how bad this is for the Giants. 2 fairly high picks for a WR that isn't going to be worth anything to them while they rebuild over the next couple years. I mean they should have drafted a QB last year, but since they didn't they might as well prepare for a couple bad seasons and stock draft picks for their future QB. Also not convinced on the Browns yet. Every year a dream team is formed and every year it fails. Rams came pretty close last year, that's about it. That WR would have been invaluable to Allen or Darold had the Giants had the simple sense to draft either of them last year. If they draft one this year, he will look forward to handing off their nice RB for a year or two... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Isn't the moneyball philosophy about using advanced metrics and new age analytics to build a team by finding players who represent good value without breaking the bank?? It was Billy Beane who developed it to build the As on a small market budget. If anything I think it's perfectly suited to a salary cap league more than anything. I was a bit facetious just concerning the other thread saying Brandon Beane was Billy Beane. but getting great value with data metrics for players is great and smart for any league in any system obviously. but the Oakland A's had to do that with like an 8th the salary of other teams. Moneyball is about never overpaying if value doesn't meet the performance. Everything you said yeah. If every team pays the same money on a pool of players that's pretty much impossible in a salary cap. You pay more than Mitch Morse is worth because you have the money to do it to fit a need lol. And you know you're still conserving cap. Billy Beane is worried about saving actual $$$. He wouldn't have paid for Morse. He gets some dude you've never heard of that no team wants for vet minimum.. and he never gets close to the NFL cap.. we'd have to be way ahead of the curve doing that for virtually no reason because we do have a cap! If we were the Oakland A's actually using their system we wouldn't have signed any FA's. Moneyball was made for a league without a salary cap. It's specifically a term for Billy Beane's method. Data analytics to find value in an NFL systmen is different. They don't call NBA analytics moneyball. They name it Moryball because it's a different philosophy for basketball.. under a cap.. initiated by Daryl Morey. So I'm completely nitpicking the comparison. It's like moneyball.. but it's not. We can coin it Brandon ball or whatever.. but the economics doesn't make sense if FAs are available to every team trying to spend the same amount of money. Edited March 13, 2019 by BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, Scorp83 said: Same Thing Once you wins some games... that will automatically chance your Culture I don't believe that - automatically that is. I guess it's chicken or the egg argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Man, the Steelers got much less for AB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I read somewhere (on twitter) that Beckham’s deal may get reworked by the browns, similar to what happened with AB. Crazy id true. OBJ just signed that deal. I winder if An will want his contract re-reworked... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 I forgot Beane learned under Gettleman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Possibly Earl Thomas to Browns as well. It’s getting silly, but fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills!Win! Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Is it ok for us to root for Cleveland as a second team(as long as we arent playing them)? I mean, they are basically the Ohio version of us minus the super bowls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 7 hours ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: I was a bit facetious just concerning the other thread saying Brandon Beane was Billy Beane. but getting great value with data metrics for players is great and smart for any league in any system obviously. but the Oakland A's had to do that with like an 8th the salary of other teams. Moneyball is about never overpaying if value doesn't meet the performance. Everything you said yeah. If every team pays the same money on a pool of players that's pretty much impossible in a salary cap. You pay more than Mitch Morse is worth because you have the money to do it to fit a need lol. And you know you're still conserving cap. Billy Beane is worried about saving actual $$$. He wouldn't have paid for Morse. He gets some dude you've never heard of that no team wants for vet minimum.. and he never gets close to the NFL cap.. we'd have to be way ahead of the curve doing that for virtually no reason because we do have a cap! If we were the Oakland A's actually using their system we wouldn't have signed any FA's. Moneyball was made for a league without a salary cap. It's specifically a term for Billy Beane's method. Data analytics to find value in an NFL systmen is different. They don't call NBA analytics moneyball. They name it Moryball because it's a different philosophy for basketball.. under a cap.. initiated by Daryl Morey. So I'm completely nitpicking the comparison. It's like moneyball.. but it's not. We can coin it Brandon ball or whatever.. but the economics doesn't make sense if FAs are available to every team trying to spend the same amount of money. Good stuff Yeah I know what it was exactly And the other reason it doesn't work with the nba or NFL a direct translation is the fact that those leagues fine truly have a minor league system to grow talent like MLB does I mean the NBA has some lower leagues and they can draft a young euro player then let him continue to grow in Europe, but overall I def agree with what you're saying I missed the sarcasm in your first post ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LB3 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 10 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: You’re the dude getting angry over a Beckham trade and calling a faceless person a crap person. Dude (I’m assuming), relax (if you are a female, I know I shouldn’t say that) It’s not that serious. and truth is I’m an awesome person and you would be lucky to hang out with me. I hope you get tucked in nice and tight tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 11 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: Maybe. I would like to see those resources used elsewhere now. This offense doesnt require a prototipical #1. We may even have one in Foster or Duke Williams only time will tell. why not? what is this offense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Man...would've been an amazing pickup if we could've grabbed him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 9 hours ago, Bills!Win! said: Is it ok for us to root for Cleveland as a second team(as long as we arent playing them)? I mean, they are basically the Ohio version of us minus the super bowls Tell that to Browns fans. On any national tweet about the Bills you'll find Browns fans making jokes about Josh Allen in the comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 The Giants twitter account hasn’t posted about the trade yet. Imagine what their social media editor is thinking just staring blankly through the keyboard and into the abyss. From last night...hahahahahahaha 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wsam4031 Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 Actually Gettleman called the Bills on him . We never reached out to the Browns on him. And he already is asking Clev for a new contract. Man this guy! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 On 3/13/2019 at 10:25 AM, Wsam4031 said: Actually Gettleman called the Bills on him . We never reached out to the Browns on him. And he already is asking Clev for a new contract. Man this guy! Just curious but never reached out to the Browns on him...for what? To look to trade for him after being traded there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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