Golden Goat Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, mannc said: Are you suggesting that the anonymous agents are making stuff up about NFL teams “for clicks” or that Sports Illustrated is making everything up and there are no sources? Outstanding job of twisting my words. Show me where I said they are "making up everything." Go a head. Exact quote. I said anonymous sources on a story like this are pure bull####. Social media has made "getting it fast" a priority over "getting it right," and facts are often skewed to accomplish this, with zero accountability. That said, it's a free country, and you're free to believe everything you read -- ignorant as it may be. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thurst44 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: But that is a player’s first visual of what the Bills offer. I like giving opponents crappy locker rooms but I do believe some organizations (I think Mavs in basketball) have great visitors locker rooms because it might help with FAs. Fair enough, but if our fans can't convince them and that's their determining factor, not sure I want them in Buffalo anyway (and i gotta get back to eating these deliciously sour apples :)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 40 minutes ago, Golden Goat said: "anonymous sources" = "we can just make ***** up and nobody will know." You clearly don't understand how journalism works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) Nothing sounds more refreshing and relaxing than training camp and outdoor practices in Florida, Texas and Arizona. Mmm, I could feel the wind in my hair now. Win and the free agents will come - even more than they do now, which they do. We get free agents to come all the time. Edited March 12, 2019 by White Linen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, Like A Mofo said: Bottom line: Sorry to say there will be some FA's that will not want to play in a city like Buffalo. Even winning might not change this. Honestly, if I am 25 and in perfect shape and can go out and have fun with nightlife, have lots of money, some other NFL markets are more attractive. Not much will change this. And this is OK! However, there are players that would like to come here. Plenty available. And regardless, if you don't' win at the NFL draft consistently, FA does not matter all that much. Win the draft most years, players will stay, more players, not all, will start coming. The end. And that’s why the Dolphins are so good and get every free agent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, Golden Goat said: Outstanding job of twisting my words. Show me where I said they are "making up everything." Go a head. Exact quote. I said anonymous sources on a story like this are pure bull####. Social media has made "getting it fast" a priority over "getting it right," and facts are often skewed to accomplish this, with zero accountability. That said, it's a free country, and you're free to believe everything you read -- ignorant as it may be. ? Once again I ask you, who is making stuff up here? The agents? SI? SI has a very good reputation; why would they put that at risk for a few clicks? Now the agents might be poorly informed and basing their opinions on outdated information, but that’s an entirely different issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, thurst44 said: Fair enough, but if our fans can't convince them and that's their determining factor, not sure I want them in Buffalo anyway (and i gotta get back to eating these deliciously sour apples :)) They did with Takeo Spikes. This stuff is so overblown. If we don’t suck, we will get players. And for the most part, we have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: If we don’t suck, we will get players. And for the most part, we have. Which one? Sucked? Or gotten players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, mannc said: Which one? Sucked? Or gotten players? We have gotten FAs and the ones we miss out because they don’t want to come to Buffalo, aren’t the reason we suck. Our past teams with a good QB would have been playoff contenders. people try to make things more complicated than they are. Find a good qb. Then draft well (young and cheap). Retain guys at key positions and use FA is supplement your roster. Again, Miami has sucked as bad as us. But they have terrible weather, bad nightlife, and high taxes! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, BIGBOY said: You’re right but How is this relevant to FA’s? The players are in their respective cities for a sliver of summer on the back end.... I'm just commenting on the sheer amount of unfair BS that western NY gets and throwing out a positive. It's somewhat relevant, but probably more relevant to the larger discussion of whether Buffalo the city really sucks or not. Edited March 12, 2019 by Nelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) Tell this to Jerry Hughes Lorenzo Alexander Jordan Phillips Stephen Hauschka and the list goes on RE the taxes players pays state income tax for the state in which that week's game was played. Edited March 12, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 A few key lines from the article: 1) “I think most players take the most money regardless of location, as they should” said another agent. “But when it’s equal, that’s when this debate gets interesting.” 2) Said another agent: “It’s an interesting question because players don’t really know, so they just look at city and nightlife and a bunch of s--- that doesn’t matter.” 3) “There are so many factors to consider and every player is different,” one agent told me, “but typically we look at winning culture/tradition, opportunity [for playing time], income tax laws, market, area of the country, and sometimes weather.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 22 minutes ago, The Firebaugh Kid said: Ross Tucker was on WGR last night raving about Buffalo. #1 place he played out of 5 teams because of the fans and the gameday experience. (Sidebar-Reasons to keep stadium in OP) He also said he was fine with keggers at Bledsoe's house ... I know craft beers and wings are heaven to most Buffalo folk, but it's not what young African American millionaires are into, I'm guessing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 59 minutes ago, Mark80 said: I get it, I do. But really, how is Cincy not the worst? Terrible team, notoriously cheap owner, a pretty crappy city. Cincinnati is a much better city than the Bengals are an organization. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Oh piss off 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said: https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/03/12/best-worst-destinations-free-agents-dallas-atlanta-buffalo-cleveland-detroit-oakland And the Bottom 5: 1. Buffalo, 12 votes 2. Oakland, 11 3. Cincinnati, 8 4. Detroit, 7 5. Cleveland, 6 As for Buffalo, the least enticing free-agent destination in the NFL according to our poll, only three agents didn’t have the Bills in their Bottom 5. Weather and a recent history of losing were two big factors, but the city had at least one supporter among the agents polled. “I think they’re turning things around in Buffalo,” he said. “That regime is doing things the right way.” Discuss......... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said: https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/03/12/best-worst-destinations-free-agents-dallas-atlanta-buffalo-cleveland-detroit-oakland And the Bottom 5: 1. Buffalo, 12 votes 2. Oakland, 11 3. Cincinnati, 8 4. Detroit, 7 5. Cleveland, 6 As for Buffalo, the least enticing free-agent destination in the NFL according to our poll, only three agents didn’t have the Bills in their Bottom 5. Weather and a recent history of losing were two big factors, but the city had at least one supporter among the agents polled. “I think they’re turning things around in Buffalo,” he said. “That regime is doing things the right way.” Discuss......... Can't forget those inflated NY state taxes coming out of your paycheck either as a deterant. Thanks Cuomo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Buffalo is in a small market with a losing culture where you live in 7 months of winter. That’s a layup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 40 minutes ago, Golden Goat said: This makes... zero... sense. ? Form the guy who says anonymous sources in any type of journalism is "BS"? Yeah, I could see how that makes sense to such a person. It's amazing what lurks in the minds of some posters after you just scratch the surface below football talk... 7 minutes ago, Seasons1992 said: Cincinnati is a much better city than the Bengals are an organization. Wow, that's really splitting a ***** hair... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, pop gun said: Can't forget those inflated NY state taxes coming out of your paycheck either as a deterant. Thanks Cuomo! Seattle and LA Rams are both on the most desirable list, and both of those states have high taxes as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 14 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: He also said he was fine with keggers at Bledsoe's house ... I know craft beers and wings are heaven to most Buffalo folk, but it's not what young African American millionaires are into, I'm guessing I would assume so as well. They should seriously use him to recruit players. He was so genuine about how much he loved it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: Maybe some of you remember this discussion ^ Yes and I still say the team should neglect cleaning the toilets before game days and have burrito night the day before that While requiring all personell to use the bathrooms in the visitors locker room that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Golden Goat said: "anonymous sources" = "we can just make ***** up and nobody will know." Yeah, none of those cities makes any sense being on that list. Come on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Seems fair (and balanced).... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Anonymous sources are such gutless cowards. If you can say something to get out in the public, be a big enough person to put your name on it. And this is so worthless. It comes down to the fact we don’t win. Nothing, nothing less. If this was true, why didn’t every free agent sign with Miami or San Diego when they had a team? So dumb. If the agents are told by their players that it's weather and sex- why would you say it's something else? As to why 'every' free agent didn't sign with Miami or SD- let's just sit here for a moment and think about how ridiculous a question that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 58 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: This explains much. Ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Are people surprised by this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 39 minutes ago, White Linen said: Nothing sounds more refreshing and relaxing than training camp and outdoor practices in Florida, Texas and Arizona. Mmm, I could feel the wind in my hair now. Win and the free agents will come - even more than they do now, which they do. We get free agents to come all the time. i don't know about the other teams, but Arizona practices in a domed stadium. 1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said: https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/03/12/best-worst-destinations-free-agents-dallas-atlanta-buffalo-cleveland-detroit-oakland And the Bottom 5: 1. Buffalo, 12 votes 2. Oakland, 11 3. Cincinnati, 8 4. Detroit, 7 5. Cleveland, 6 As for Buffalo, the least enticing free-agent destination in the NFL according to our poll, only three agents didn’t have the Bills in their Bottom 5. Weather and a recent history of losing were two big factors, but the city had at least one supporter among the agents polled. “I think they’re turning things around in Buffalo,” he said. “That regime is doing things the right way.” Discuss......... Tell that to Frank Gore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, purple haze said: Weather? No. Losing for damn near two decades? Yes, yes, and yes. Money and wins. That's how you attract players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 The toilet in section 124 is broken, has been for years. Could be one of the problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunninRebel37 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 I’d say state taxes combined with losing and lastly facilities. Nobody complains about weather in New England. Must feel like a gut punch to the residents but I liked Buffalo every time I’ve visited so once we start winning this won’t even be an issue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: The summers and early fall in WNY are perfect. Winters aren’t as bad as they are made out to be but they drag on forever. February and March suck. that's the truth. those couple of months make this area tough. it's just cold and gray. the players aren't here during that time, so no worries. if i was in their position, i'd go where ever was the best opportunity in terms money and career. they don't have to live here full time, and the living the rest of the year here is pretty easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HansLanda Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said: https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/03/12/best-worst-destinations-free-agents-dallas-atlanta-buffalo-cleveland-detroit-oakland And the Bottom 5: 1. Buffalo, 12 votes 2. Oakland, 11 3. Cincinnati, 8 4. Detroit, 7 5. Cleveland, 6 As for Buffalo, the least enticing free-agent destination in the NFL according to our poll, only three agents didn’t have the Bills in their Bottom 5. Weather and a recent history of losing were two big factors, but the city had at least one supporter among the agents polled. “I think they’re turning things around in Buffalo,” he said. “That regime is doing things the right way.” Discuss......... Records in the last 5 years: Bills: 45-51 Oakland: 36-60 Cinci: 52-44 Detroit: 49-47 Cleveland: 22-74 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGBOY Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, The Firebaugh Kid said: Ross Tucker was on WGR last night raving about Buffalo. #1 place he played out of 5 teams because of the fans and the gameday experience. (Sidebar-Reasons to keep stadium in OP) No doubt The Ross Tucker’s of the world value game day and fan experience. Unfortunately most NFL players are more AB than Ross Tucker 18 minutes ago, klos63 said: i don't know about the other teams, but Arizona practices in a domed stadium. Tell that to Frank Gore. Tell that to frank gore???!? The guy is a dinosaur. I’m sure any player his age would be happy to sign with any NFL team. Your paradigm changes when you’re on the wrong side of 30. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Mark80 said: I get it, I do. But really, how is Cincy not the worst? Terrible team, notoriously cheap owner, a pretty crappy city. Plus they put Chili on spaghetti. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGBOY Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 52 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Tell this to Jerry Hughes Lorenzo Alexander Jordan Phillips Stephen Hauschka and the list goes on RE the taxes players pays state income tax for the state in which that week's game was played. Not one single player you mention was an established FA. Did they revatlize their careers, sure did. But Hughes, zo, Phillips, hauschka were in a much different senario than a FA in his prime when they came into buffalo. I’d break down each individual situation for you, starting with 55 on a 2nd chance trade but I think (and hope you get the point) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Detroit is just wonderful, if you're into deathscapes. Gotta love Cinci as well. And Green Bay has so much more to offer than Buffalo: it's gigantic, has no snow and cold weather, is a world renowned entertainment and cultural center ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 we had this discussion at billievers chat board consensus is that weather taxes and having a history of losing are all factors. Having said that there should be a distinction between what tier of free agents would rather play elsewhere. Guys want their pay checks and yeah they'll come if offered good money....so the free agents that can pick and choose where they want to play Im saying is a minority of ALL NFL players so the sample size I think skews the poll. Having said that money and winning talks SO the poor snooty babies will have to suck it up and shuffle off to Buffalo once we build a cast around Josh Allen (whom I believe is our next franchise QB) and the franchise turns around. I think we are seeing it going right to plan. and right before our very eyes. Buckle up buckeroos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Honestly during most of the season, the weather isn’t too bad. The worst parts of WNY are January through April. Training camp in WNY is a breeze compared to much of the country. It's not humid, high is usually in the 80's. The fall games can be fantastic. And the winter games are an adventure. I think it has to do with the losing. Even when we were crushing it, we had a fair share of departures.....House, Biscuit, a few others. If you're a pro football player, you should be able to find a girl. Or a boy, if that's what you're into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 and yet Detroit signed a ton of quality FA's yesterday. So clearly this ranking is bunk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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