YodaMan79 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) While the front office still thinks McCoy has something left, other savvy front offices are feeling these two out, they should grab one sooner rather than later. Duke signed a horrible contract (for him) and at 25 has some quality years ahead. Talk from "media insiders" speculate he could be had for a 4th or 5th round choice. I've read a couple of articles from Cleveland based outlets all but begging the Browns not to trade him. Get the deal done. I'd feel very good about Gore, Johnson and a draft pick. If McCoy is let go a bunch of his apologists would see how little value he has in the league. Edited April 2, 2019 by YodaMan79 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Duke yes Hyde no 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Just now, FluffHead said: Duke yes Hyde no Nailed it. Hyde doesn’t really bring much at this point 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Duke Johnson. Yep. Carlos Hyde never. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YodaMan79 Posted March 9, 2019 Author Share Posted March 9, 2019 I think KC and Andy Reid know a little something about the RB position. Where do you think Hyde's first visit is? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Draft a back, stop paying for trash. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, CommonCents said: Draft a back, stop paying for trash. Duke Johnson is far from trash. Have you ever watched that guy play? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Does Marcus Murphy have no chance on this team? I actually liked what I saw out of him before he was injured. Is he all but gone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: Duke Johnson is far from trash. Have you ever watched that guy play? Yeah he can’t take a hit, Kmart version of Kamara. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 31 minutes ago, YodaMan79 said: While the front office still thinks McCoy has something left, other savvy front offices are feeling these two out, they should grab one sooner rather than later. Duke signed a horrible contract (for him) and at 25 has some quality years ahead. Talk from "media insiders" speculate he could be had for a 4th or 5th round choice. I've read a couple of articles from Cleveland based outlets all but begging the Browns not to trade him. Duke has been a backup his entire career and his contract gives him top 10-15 RB money in terms of cap hit. In what way is that a bad deal for him? He’s probably not worth the money. If Buffalo gets rid of McCoy, I’d be okay with Duke and a rookie but paying for both he and McCoy would be bad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 I liked Duke Johnson when he was at Miami. I think he could be an incredibly productive RB if he were featured. He still has relatively low miles for being a few years in the league already. I would be all for bringing him in via a mid-round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 After Preston and the S Williams, let's see what the WR Williams does before we bring in any more Dukes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, Rico said: After Preston and the S Williams, let's see what the WR Williams does before we bring in any more Dukes. You mean besides WR "Duke" Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 I'm not saying please for either of these players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Doc said: You mean besides WR "Duke" Williams? That's what I said, the WR Williams. The other 2 Duke's were dogs#$%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, Rico said: That's what I said, the WR Williams. The other 2 Duke's were dogs#$%. Oops. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in NoCal Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 24 minutes ago, BuffaloBillies said: Does Marcus Murphy have no chance on this team? I actually liked what I saw out of him before he was injured. Is he all but gone? I'd like to know the answer to this, too. Whenever he spelled McCoy, it was nice to see someone hit the hole hard and fast. ( on the rare occasion that there was a hole to hit ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PirateHookerMD Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 I am firmly I the camp that outside of a handful of players that RBs are a dime a dozen. Draft someone in the 4-6th round. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, PirateHookerMD said: I am firmly I the camp that outside of a handful of players that RBs are a dime a dozen. Draft someone in the 4-6th round. Yep, invest in the line and the rest will take care of itself. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YodaMan79 Posted March 9, 2019 Author Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, White Linen said: Duke has been a backup his entire career and his contract gives him top 10-15 RB money in terms of cap hit. In what way is that a bad deal for him? He’s probably not worth the money. If Buffalo gets rid of McCoy, I’d be okay with Duke and a rookie but paying for both he and McCoy would be bad. He can be had for the next two years at approximately $7.8 million total. In 2022 you can keep him for 5.9 million if the team chooses. His total contract is $15.6. In a small snapshot yes, he's currently in the top 15 category. He won't be there for long, at the end of FA and extensions he'll be in the 30's. Year Age Base Salary Prorated Bonus Roster Bonus Per Game Roster Bonus Workout Bonus Guaranteed Salary Cap Number Cap % Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension Total $11,007,000 $3,177,523 $2,000,000 $1,200,000 $310,000 $2,957,000 $17,694,523 2018 25 $957,000 $927,523 $2,000,000 $0 $10,000 $2,957,000 $3,894,523 2.2% 2019 ? 26 $1,800,000 $750,000 $0 $400,000 $100,000 $0 $3,050,000 1.6% $2,250,000 $800,000 2020 27 $3,600,000 $750,000 $0 $400,000 $100,000 $0 $4,850,000 2.4% $1,500,000 $3,350,000 2021 28 $4,650,000 $750,000 $0 $400,000 $100,000 $0 $5,900,000 -- $750,000 $5,150,000 How much have the Bills put out in RB money the past three years? ---- over $34 million They're both better than anything we've seen on the field in a number of years in a complimentary RB role. They'd go great with a rookie RB. Spending wisely here will allow the team to put more money on the important positions on the OL and DL. Edited March 9, 2019 by YodaMan79 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, YodaMan79 said: He can be had for the next two years at approximately $7.8 million total. In 2022 you can keep him for 5.9 million if the team chooses. His total contract is $15.6. In a small snapshot yes, he's currently in the top 15 category. He won't be there for long, at the end of FA and extensions he'll be in the 30's. Year Age Base Salary Prorated Bonus Roster Bonus Per Game Roster Bonus Workout Bonus Guaranteed Salary Cap Number Cap % Dead Money & Cap Savings Cut (pre-June 1)Cut (post-June 1)Trade (pre-June 1)Trade (post-June 1)RestructureExtension Total $11,007,000 $3,177,523 $2,000,000 $1,200,000 $310,000 $2,957,000 $17,694,523 2018 25 $957,000 $927,523 $2,000,000 $0 $10,000 $2,957,000 $3,894,523 2.2% 2019 ? 26 $1,800,000 $750,000 $0 $400,000 $100,000 $0 $3,050,000 1.6% $2,250,000 $800,000 2020 27 $3,600,000 $750,000 $0 $400,000 $100,000 $0 $4,850,000 2.4% $1,500,000 $3,350,000 2021 28 $4,650,000 $750,000 $0 $400,000 $100,000 $0 $5,900,000 -- $750,000 $5,150,000 How much have the Bills put out in RB money the past three years? ---- over $34 million They're both better than anything we've seen on the field in a number of years in a complimentary RB role. They'd go great with a rookie RB. Spending wisely here will allow the team to put more money on the important positions on the OL and DL. I didn't post what you responded to. How did that happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 55 minutes ago, CommonCents said: Yeah he can’t take a hit, Kmart version of Kamara. So you haven't watched him. At all 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Hyde is visiting KC and looks like he may sign there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 1 hour ago, FluffHead said: Duke yes Hyde no Yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Rc2catch said: Duke Johnson is far from trash. Have you ever watched that guy play? Duke- Quick acceleration thru the hole, can break it to the outside, excellent hands, runs good routes, patient on screens and gets up the field in a hurry. A really good ball player for sure and would love to have him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 1 hour ago, BuffaloBillies said: Does Marcus Murphy have no chance on this team? I actually liked what I saw out of him before he was injured. Is he all but gone? As a kick returner/STer only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Love Duke. Would be a nice option for Allen out of the backfield. Hyde is meh. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 1 hour ago, CommonCents said: Draft a back, stop paying for trash. Darrell Henderson. 8.2 avg. College record. Love he and Justice Hill as prospects Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 1 hour ago, DCOrange said: Duke has been a backup his entire career and his contract gives him top 10-15 RB money in terms of cap hit. In what way is that a bad deal for him? He’s probably not worth the money. If Buffalo gets rid of McCoy, I’d be okay with Duke and a rookie but paying for both he and McCoy would be bad. For one season in which we won’t be spending to cap? Overreact much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YodaMan79 Posted March 9, 2019 Author Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, billieve420 said: Hyde is visiting KC and looks like he may sign there. Yep, and the board geniuses know more than one of the more successful franchises over the past five years. Let alone a head coach that can get the most out RBs. Edited March 9, 2019 by YodaMan79 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, YodaMan79 said: Yep, and the board geniuses know more than one of the more successful franchises over the past five years. Let alone a head coach that can get the most out RBs. Hyde is average. He was averaging 3 YPC in Cleveland last year. Chubb starts and goes for 5. And Hyde isn't a good receiver either. He's ok, but nothing special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 You gotta snag RBs like Hyde within their first 3-5 years. They break down quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YodaMan79 Posted March 9, 2019 Author Share Posted March 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, cle23 said: Hyde is average. He was averaging 3 YPC in Cleveland last year. Chubb starts and goes for 5. And Hyde isn't a good receiver either. He's ok, but nothing special. Do you think the switch to Baker and his elevated play had anything to do with Chubb getting an honest look from opposing Ds? We all know how well the Tyrod experiment went. For the record, I'm looking at a guy like Hyde to get no more then 100-125 carries. Draft a Rb you think can be a feature back, follow what Cleveland did with Chubb. I don't want McCoy here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 20 minutes ago, YodaMan79 said: Do you think the switch to Baker and his elevated play had anything to do with Chubb getting an honest look from opposing Ds? We all know how well the Tyrod experiment went. For the record, I'm looking at a guy like Hyde to get no more then 100-125 carries. Draft a Rb you think can be a feature back, follow what Cleveland did with Chubb. I don't want McCoy here. It helped, but Chubb looked better all year. Dorsey finally traded Hyde so Hue was forced to play Chubb. Hyde then went to Jacksonville and basically not play. Hyde is a decent player, but he isn't special either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 I'd go after Tevin Coleman, 25, quick, experienced and is very good catching, good enough to take over from Shady one day 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, bilzfancy said: I'd go after Tevin Coleman, 25, quick, experienced and is very good catching, good enough to take over from Shady one day Yep and then pair him with a young violent bruiser after Shady leaves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 2 hours ago, CommonCents said: Draft a back, stop paying for trash. Perhaps a fellow like Ty Montgomery from Iowa State in round 3-4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 I say no to both and bring in TJ Yeldon. Hey @YoloinOhio, after reading this entire thread, looks like I'm not the only Buckeye hater on this board. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 1 hour ago, billsfan_34 said: Duke- Quick acceleration thru the hole, can break it to the outside, excellent hands, runs good routes, patient on screens and gets up the field in a hurry. A really good ball player for sure and would love to have him. Duke is one of the most under used and under rated players in the NFL for real. Been mind blowing how stupid Cleveland was with his career. Now they have 2 full time studs to carry the rock, so he is expendable. This guy will be a steal for someone. You guys remember Priest Holmes in Baltimore BEFORE he went to Cheifs? Mediocre RB who flourished in a better situation. I think Duke can have that type of transition. Not saying he will be as good as Priest was for those Chiefs, but saying I think you will see a major jump in his production too on a team that makes better use of his skill sets. I am ALL FOR trading for him. Obviously, it needs to make sense. I wouldnt be surprised if we could get him for one of our extra 5th round picks or maybe our 6th. RB's just dont hold high trade value. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsDiehard Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) Love Duke Johnson...him and Love and Montgomery would be fun to watch! Edited March 9, 2019 by BillsDiehard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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