BillsSB2020 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 35 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I keep hearing Brown was willing to come to Buffalo, it was the contract he is seeking that derailed the trade. Not doubting you, but do you have a source? All I've heard is that he told Rosenhaus no dice to Buffalo, period. I would prefer your scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) The most legitimate seeming reports right now -- and this seems to validate what Vic Carucci reported -- are that the reason no one has acquired Brown yet is because he's seeking too much money on a new deal. If it's true he wants $20M a year, then, well...sayonara, Mr Big Chest! Edited March 10, 2019 by Logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 10 hours ago, Doc said: That was also way before the advent of social media, and especially Twitter. There were many players who wouldn’t play in Buffalo unless top dollar was offered, and those guys you mentioned we’re all at or near the highest paid at their positions at the time of their signing. So let me get this straight..............first you said that the Bills weren't active in free agency in the 1990's(when they, in fact, were)............and now you are saying that players in recent years not taking a DISCOUNT to play in Buffalo is proof that players simply don't want to come to this area? It's the losing Doc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Let me be clear on this because some of you asshats are all over the place. If we don’t sign AB, then he’s an aging diva who deserves to lose every game. Beane is a genius. If we do sign AB, then we signed the best receiver in the league, have the cap space, made Allen immediately better. Beane is a genius. What don’t you get? 1 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 15 minutes ago, Virgil said: Let me be clear on this because some of you asshats are all over the place. If we don’t sign AB, then he’s an aging diva who deserves to lose every game. Beane is a genius. If we do sign AB, then we signed the best receiver in the league, have the cap space, made Allen immediately better. Beane is a genius. What don’t you get? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 16 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: So let me get this straight..............first you said that the Bills weren't active in free agency in the 1990's(when they, in fact, were)............and now you are saying that players in recent years not taking a DISCOUNT to play in Buffalo is proof that players simply don't want to come to this area? It's the losing Doc. I never said they weren't active in free agency: I said they didn't sign many of the top FA's. And those guys were well-compensated. Just like Mario, you pay them what they want and they will come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 26 minutes ago, Virgil said: Let me be clear on this because some of you asshats are all over the place. If we don’t sign AB, then he’s an aging diva who deserves to lose every game. Beane is a genius. If we do sign AB, then we signed the best receiver in the league, have the cap space, made Allen immediately better. Beane is a genius. What don’t you get? That about sums it up. I can't wait till this saga is over so we can move on to the next overdramatic subject. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estelle Getty Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Looks like he’s goin to the Raiders according to his twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Reed83HOF said: LaCanfora makes no sense, this should not be a surprise to anyone. Beckham's deal is $18M in AAV so what kind of agent would not be in the 18-20M range for Brown? If the Bills or any other team was not willing to give him that kind of number that's perfectly fine, but they had no business even calling Pittsburgh to kick the tires. Much more likely the sticking point is length of the deal and/or percentage guaranteed. I have to think teams are down with it for 3 years but more than that, I could see teams not being comfortable at his age. And he's spoken publicly about guarantees so could be an issue there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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End The Drought Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 I really wonder if his decision had anything to do with Poyer... you’re telling me a 3rd and a 5th plus 2.8 mil more than he was already making was too rich for Buffalo? Gotta be more to the story then we’ve heard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) You are going to overpay in Free Agency for a player in most cases....If Brown were an upcoming Free Agent....I am sure he would have easily received this contract over 3 years. A 3rd and 5th seems like a bargain...Strange unless they dropped the price after our deal fell through …. or the rumors of him refusing to come to Buffalo are true and Beane did his best to cover it up. Edited March 10, 2019 by Magnum Force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 12 minutes ago, End The Drought said: I really wonder if his decision had anything to do with Poyer... you’re telling me a 3rd and a 5th plus 2.8 mil more than he was already making was too rich for Buffalo? Gotta be more to the story then we’ve heard Well there is the side that says he literally said he would not show up to Buffalo... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 hour ago, njbuff said: That about sums it up. I can't wait till this saga is over so we can move on to the next overdramatic subject. You mean when we make a massive offer to Dez Bryant for no reason, then everyone does a 180 & says he's got more potential than Brown anyway since he's 4 months younger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 On 3/8/2019 at 9:12 PM, KD in CA said: I think you’re confusing service contracts and investments. I know they are going to go to work until they decide not to. Players are one injury from done. So Warren Buffet doesn’t go to work, he just invests? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) It's surprising that the Steelers didn't come away with one of the Raiders' 1st round picks. Edited March 10, 2019 by Magnum Force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Magnum Force said: It's surprising that the Steelers didn't come away with one of the Raiders' 1st round picks. Hopefully this is official and we can throw away these Brown threads. Edited March 10, 2019 by njbuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 3 hours ago, 2018 Our Year For Sure said: LaCanfora makes no sense, this should not be a surprise to anyone. Beckham's deal is $18M in AAV so what kind of agent would not be in the 18-20M range for Brown? If the Bills or any other team was not willing to give him that kind of number that's perfectly fine, but they had no business even calling Pittsburgh to kick the tires. Much more likely the sticking point is length of the deal and/or percentage guaranteed. I have to think teams are down with it for 3 years but more than that, I could see teams not being comfortable at his age. And he's spoken publicly about guarantees so could be an issue there There were several teams that inquired. The reason is because at the time the teams knew that he may or may not get that money. He’s got a lot of issues to where the risk is there on the guaranteed money. He either plays for someone, or sits out and makes nothing. It only takes one team but it took this long because it was a a very difficult deal to make. Of course they inquired. 3 hours ago, End The Drought said: I really wonder if his decision had anything to do with Poyer... you’re telling me a 3rd and a 5th plus 2.8 mil more than he was already making was too rich for Buffalo? Gotta be more to the story then we’ve heard It’s not 2.8 more. It’s 30 mill more. AB’s former contract wasn’t guaranteed. That’s the crux of the entire thing. And he’s got a ton of issues which bring risk so it adds to the balance of what you are willing to give to and how much you are willing to guarantee. There is a reason he only went for a 3rd/5th. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 On 3/8/2019 at 12:06 AM, BuffaloBud420 said: He could kill Allen's career with his attitude. Horrible move. I wouldn't take him for free. Just checking in... feeling better? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) Well, with 2700 replies across 3 separate threads, I’d say this topic has been thoroughly beaten into the ground. I’m glad it’s over, I’m glad the asshead is not coming to Buffalo. Buffalo is, however, going to him. Check out our 2020 schedule... https://fbschedules.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/ Anyone for a little Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas? . Edited March 10, 2019 by The Senator 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: There were several teams that inquired. The reason is because at the time the teams knew that he may or may not get that money. He’s got a lot of issues to where the risk is there on the guaranteed money. He either plays for someone, or sits out and makes nothing. It only takes one team but it took this long because it was a a very difficult deal to make. Of course they inquired. It’s not 2.8 more. It’s 30 mill more. AB’s former contract wasn’t guaranteed. That’s the crux of the entire thing. And he’s got a ton of issues which bring risk so it adds to the balance of what you are willing to give to and how much you are willing to guarantee. There is a reason he only went for a 3rd/5th. Good analysis — https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/03/10/antonio-brown-trade-oakland-raiders-offense-derek-carr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 20 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Best Bills free agent class by A LOT was the Paup/Washington/Jeffcoat haul after the 1994 season. Paup in particular was a top of class free agent coming off a Pro Bowl year. Next offseason was also big.......... Quinn Early was the prize WR in FA and he signed with Buffalo and Chris Spielman was another huge signing that offseason. Joe Panos was another pricey signing after the 1997 season. The Bills were plenty aggressive in free agency in the 1990's and there were no Star Lotulelei-like over-market overpays because players weren't sacrificing individual or team success when coming to Buffalo. And never once was it uttered "oh man why would he want to go to Buffalo?" in the media because the Bills were the winningest team in the NFL in the 1990's. The Bills signed Paup for what I recall as being 7.8 million over 3 years. The GM of Green Bay later called letting go of Paup the worst decision of his professional career. Panos was a good guard....for about 6 or 8 games. Then his entire body seemed to break down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 AB is going to find out the difference between having a Hall of Fame QB that keeps plays alive forever and allowing his receivers to come open as a result vs. the overrated Derek Carr. It’s a night and day difference. 7 hours ago, Magnum Force said: It's surprising that the Steelers didn't come away with one of the Raiders' 1st round picks. Not at all. His market value was limited. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 What a sorry end to the saga. Brown is an ultra talented player but yet another questionable character to have on a team. I am sick to death of players saying they don't want to come to Buffalo (and this case from Pittsburgh no less). Then Brown is ok with Oakland? lame duck franchise moving to a new city with no history? Whatever dbag! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Did Tyrod ***** your wife or something? Ah. Too bad. Really hope McBeane maintains an aggressive behavior in signing/trading for a bonafide number one veteran WR. There's not a "bonafide number one" available in FA and there's a strong likelihood there's not another one available via trade at anywhere near a reasonable cost. 3 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said: What a sorry end to the saga. Brown is an ultra talented player but yet another questionable character to have on a team. I am sick to death of players saying they don't want to come to Buffalo (and this case from Pittsburgh no less). Then Brown is ok with Oakland? lame duck franchise moving to a new city with no history? Whatever dbag! We didn't want to pay that contract, that's the bottom line. Edited March 10, 2019 by Chuck Wagon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Yeah. Glad that's over. Good luck to the Raiders. They're going to need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Well, here’s hoping that the Raiders go 2-14, and AB gets to enjoy a deep Bills playoff run from the couch. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 On 3/8/2019 at 6:51 AM, formerlyofCtown said: You do realize we will spend about 50 mil of that cap. Right, but we can get two stud interior linemen, and a WR, and still have $ for next year. Don’t forget we need draft $ 9.34 mil. Per SPOTRAC, and every team that is wise keeps an insurance f7n for either UDFA, or injuries for replacements, $7-8 mil. We also need probably $20-25 mil. For e tensions next year and stay cap friendly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 30 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: Right, but we can get two stud interior linemen, and a WR, and still have $ for next year. Don’t forget we need draft $ 9.34 mil. Per SPOTRAC, and every team that is wise keeps an insurance f7n for either UDFA, or injuries for replacements, $7-8 mil. We also need probably $20-25 mil. For e tensions next year and stay cap friendly. Im not sure the exact figure but we have to spend a certain amount, we have no choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Formerly - I did the math from SPOTRAC, and we actually only need to spend about $35-40 mil. Still more than enough for two interior lineman and a WR or TE. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 On 3/9/2019 at 8:55 AM, CuddyDark said: You can believe whatever you want but the Bills had to go into the deal at the start knowing AB wanted to get paid because he said so on national TV. It's more likely AB laughed at the idea of being on the Bills. "You know what? I don’t know that there was ever an option for us quite frankly," Rosenhaus said. "We never got in that position and it really wasn’t something that was up to us to decide. I don’t think the Steelers and the Bills were able to work something out.” Brown didn't turn down the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOboy Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 1 minute ago, MPT said: "You know what? I don’t know that there was ever an option for us quite frankly," Rosenhaus said. "We never got in that position and it really wasn’t something that was up to us to decide. I don’t think the Steelers and the Bills were able to work something out.” Brown didn't turn down the Bills. Agent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 24 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Shouldn't the caption read “Bills turn to Shady McCoy to contain AB”? I know, i know its just an old pic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 1 hour ago, TOboy said: Agent... I mean, yeah, Rosenhaus could be lying. I still think it's most likely that the Bills weren't willing to pay as much as the Raiders. But still, the idea that Brown simply wouldn't come to Buffalo is pure speculation and overly pessimistic. There's no evidence for it whatsoever. It's not like Brown would be afraid to mince words about it if that's how he felt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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