Tipster19 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) Is he the answer at the G position and we only need 1 other G to solidify our starters at this positio?. I admit that I didn’t get to see him enough last year. Between my job and not having Direct TV last year I didn’t get to see enough of him to draw a conclusive opinion of him. Seeing that this is such a knowledgible message board I’ll trust in all of your responses. Thanks in advance. Edited March 7, 2019 by Tipster19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 He’s a work in progress and not the answer to anything right now. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LikeIGiveADarn Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 He did enough to earn a spot at training camp. That's about it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Too early to tell. He played well in some stretches and looked overmatched in others. Probably a big year for his career if he’s going to be a legit starter in this league 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 He's not a finished product, so one can't be sure of his ceiling. My guess is he'll probably start in the upcoming season. He wasn't great last season. He should be better this upcoming season. We'll know before the end of the season whether he is the long term answer. On the other side, John Miller's inconsistency is unlikely to go away, so the Bills will be looking for an upgrade. Miller will probably get a tender as insurance/depth. Ducasse, on the other hand, is likely to be history. While Miller is likely to get a contract offer, he won't make the roster without competition Spencer Long is in the mix too, depending on what the Bills do at center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Definitely should not stop them from upgrading. He’ll compete for LG spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Great hair. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubbaT Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) I agree with the other posters: not enough shown to commit a starting spot to. He'll need to earn it. Upgrades and competition at all the O line spots are desperately needed. Edited March 8, 2019 by BubbaT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) Well we already have 1 new OG in Long. At this point, it looks like Teller is a starter by default. I'm nearly 100% sure we'll be adding either a Guard, Center, or both in the draft/FA. Long could be our Center if we don't add one, and that'd be good for Teller's chances. I'd personally rather have Teller be depth this year while he develops, but he may end up starting, and very well may be a serviceable starter with better talent around him. Edited March 7, 2019 by 947 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Some already believe he's starting material, if not a future All-Pro. Others see him as a former late round developmental prospect. We'll know where the Bills think he fits after the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Interesting concept that some people may not understand... 5th round picks can improve particularly when they have had some starting experience in their rookie year.. Anyone familiar with one of our players called Matt Milano? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 The only aspect of him that was good last year was the fact he was an unknown and might get better. His play was no better and in fact often worse than Ducasse. He was overmatched in pass protection most of the time. Ducasse and Miller were the better players last year but Ducasse is never going to get any better(in fact he will likely regress with age). Teller however may get better. I saw nothing from him that would say he even has a guaranteed roster spot and certainly not a guaranteed spot on the starting OL. My Plan A for the OL would be, bring back Mills at RT and Miller at RG, sign Paradis for C, move Dawkins to LG, draft OT in first round after trading down a few spots, take C/G in the third round, cut Bodine and let Groy walk, Teller, Long, and some other OT to be a swing back-up. My Plan A.1, basically similar only Mills and/or Miller are replaced with reasonably priced veterans. My Plan B : Sign Pardia, bring back Miller, keep Dawkins at LT, Teller at LG, draft OT in the first round to play RT again after dropping back a few slots, draft another G in the 4-5th round, let Mills and Groy walk, cut Bodine, and find a swing OT somewhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said: Interesting concept that some people may not understand... 5th round picks can improve particularly when they have had some starting experience in their rookie year.. Anyone familiar with one of our players called Matt Milano? I don't think anyone on this board has said he could not improve. But what most are saying, is what he has shown so far does not make him a sure bet to be a starter next year. Evaluating his on the field play is not the same as projecting if he will get better. He was mostly bad as a starter last year but had some good moments in the run game. No one on this board is qualified to project if he will get better. Hell I doubt the coaching staff is qualified at that either. But I think it is fair to say he did enough that he will be given an opportunity to compete for a roster spot and maybe even a staring spot. He would be a cheap starter for a few years and allow them to spend more money on a first round OT draft pick and a FA C or G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: I don't think anyone on this board has said he could not improve. But what most are saying, is what he has shown so far does not make him a sure bet to be a starter next year. Evaluating his on the field play is not the same as projecting if he will get better. He was mostly bad as a starter last year but had some good moments in the run game. No one on this board is qualified to project if he will get better. Hell I doubt the coaching staff is qualified at that either. But I think it is fair to say he did enough that he will be given an opportunity to compete for a roster spot and maybe even a staring spot. He would be a cheap starter for a few years and allow them to spend more money on a first round OT draft pick and a FA C or G. Two things.. It’s fine to say he hasn’t shown anything... but what did we really expect him to show in his initial year? He is a 5th round OL pick.. some of them don’t make it past the taxi squad as a rookie.. He beat out Ducasse for the starting role... no real achievement in itself but it tells me what the coaching staff think of his potential.. Second - I am not anointing him as a starter in 2019... he will need to earn it..like every other player.. They have bought in Long and I have no doubt they will bring in another more expensive free agent or a Top 50 pick.. Lets wait and we what happens, but I’m not sure what he was supposed to be in his first season as pick 166.. Edited March 7, 2019 by Aussie Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Two things.. It’s fine to say he hasn’t shown anything... but what did we really expect him to show in his initial year? He is a 5th round OL pick.. some of them don’t make it past the taxi squad as a rookie.. He beat out Ducasse for the starting role... no real achievement in itself but it tells me what the coaching staff think of his potential.. Second - I am not anointing him as a starter in 2019... he will need to earn it..like every other player.. They have bought in Long and I have no doubt they will bring in another more expensive free agent or a Top 50 pick.. Lets wait and we what happens, but I’m not sure what he was supposed to be in his first season as pick 166.. I'm not sure he actually beat out Ducasse. That is kind of my point in terms of evaluating his play on the field. Teller played because the season was lost, not because he was playing better than Ducasse. There was no reason to play Ducasse at that point and they wanted to see what Teller had. And for a late round pick, he showed enough that the staff may decide to go with him at LG. Like I said, that would be a very cheap starter on the OL and afford them the chance to spend more in FA on the OL, TE, and/or WR position. My best guess is Teller is the starter at LG, and they sign a C and RG in FA to start and draft an OT. But that is just a guess. That is not what i would do, but i think it is what McBeane will do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Just now, Ethan in Portland said: I'm not sure he actually beat out Ducasse. That is kind of my point in terms of evaluating his play on the field. Teller played because the season was lost, not because he was playing better than Ducasse. There was no reason to play Ducasse at that point and they wanted to see what Teller had. And for a late round pick, he showed enough that the staff may decide to go with him at LG. Like I said, that would be a very cheap starter on the OL and afford them the chance to spend more in FA on the OL, TE, and/or WR position. My best guess is Teller is the starter at LG, and they sign a C and RG in FA to start and draft an OT. But that is just a guess. That is not what i would do, but i think it is what McBeane will do Ok cool... I think we have both made our point so let’s see what happens.. I do expect Teller to be better in 2019 regardless if he is the starter or not.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipster19 Posted March 7, 2019 Author Share Posted March 7, 2019 Hey, thanks everyone, all of you seem to agree for the most part and have painted a very good picture of what to expect out of Teller. The thing that stuck out to me the most about him from last year was although he stuck up for Josh in that Miami game when Kiko was taking a cheap shot against him it was disappointing to me to hear Teller say that Kiko didn’t do anything wrong or something to that affect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 He is a much better run blocker than a pass blocker, he struggled in that department as one would expect since he was always a better run blocker, we'll see if Buffalo thought enough of him to develop him or if they'll replace him in the draft or FA, if nothing else he's a serviceable backup that much we know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Tipster19 said: Is he the answer at the G position and we only need 1 other G to solidify our starters at this positio?. I admit that I didn’t get to see him enough last year. Between my job and not having Direct TV last year I didn’t get to see enough of him to draw a conclusive opinion of him. Seeing that this is such a knowledgible message board I’ll trust in all of your responses. Thanks in advance. We really wont have any idea till he starts playing games this season. He looked really good at times last season and other times he got embarrassed. Edited March 7, 2019 by formerlyofCtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 maybe teller is that creative dline/ pass rush piece in the joe marino podcast thread? he was a converted dline guy if i'm not mistaken......it is tea leaves reading season.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 A work in progress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 5 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: Interesting concept that some people may not understand... 5th round picks can improve particularly when they have had some starting experience in their rookie year.. Anyone familiar with one of our players called Matt Milano? So true. Almost every rookie has an adjustment period going from college to pros. Some it may take half a season others it takes two seasons. A player will typically get two full seasons if they show flashes of being able to make plays. Teller showed flashes last year he could play in the league. He needs to be more consistent this year. I would be surprised if the Bills didn’t bring in a center, guard, and a tackle through FA and or through the first three rounds in draft. They know they need starters on the line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 My opinion is that by halfway through the season, there was no harm in putting him into the lineup given the stiffs that we were parading out there on a weekly basis. Frankly, they should have been doing more of this, and earlier, given the outlook on the season. He had his ups, and his downs, which is all that anyone should have reasonably expected. Now, with more talent presumably coming into the pipeline, we can make a reasonable evaluation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 This year will be an important one for Teller. Rookie OL guys tend to benefit with a full offseason, better diet, and strength training. I think he'll make the 53 man roster but other than that who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 I'm no OL guru and I don't break down the play of linemen...that said, I think the best thing you can say about Teller is that he's no longer a rookie (and has a good attitude). He'll get his chance to compete for a starting job but like others have said, that shouldn't preclude Beane from doing anything/everything he can to upgrade the overall line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) I actually liked a lot of what I saw from Teller, and honestly I liked what I saw from Ike Boettger in the small sample. Here's the thing though, Ryan Groy and Jordan Mills suck and Dion Dawkins struggled. I think, if you put better players around these guys, we will see better play. But Teller is athletic and really strong and should have been drafted higher than the fifth round. He was a steal there. He is a better prospect than I think a lot of people think. I think he would go in the third round in this draft class, as there are only a handful of guards I like better. That said he is a work in progress. I see this offseason going one of two ways 1. Sign a center like Paradis or Morse and a RT like Williams or James. Having those two guys on the line would set you up with Teller and Long as you guards with a guy like Boettger competing. 2. Sign a guard like Saffold or Quentin Spain and a RT like Williams or James. What that does is forces you to go with Bodine or Long at center and puts Teller/Boettger/draft pick in a three way competition for the right guard spot. It isn't ideal, but playing next to a better RT would help. Obviously you could draft a guy, or trade for a guy like Forrest Lamp. Ideally, you sign Morse/Paradis, Saffold/Spain, and Williams/James, and trade for Forrest Lamp but I am not sure how realistic it is to get a center, guard, and RT in free agency. That would put Teller/Lamp/Long/Boettger/Draft pick in a competition for the RG spot, which is a really good place to be. Dream scenario is getting a center, guard and RT. Something like: LT - Dawkins LG - Saffold/Spain C - Morse/Paradis RG - Lamp/Long/Teller/Boettger RT - James/Williams Edited March 7, 2019 by MrEpsYtown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Needs someone to work on his technique. Particularly hand placement and footwork. That, and probably more lower body strength. Too often he let defenders get into his chest and steer him. The good news is even with bad technique he often had the raw upper body strength to wrestle defenders down. It wasn't pretty, but there is something to build upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 I’m not sure about Teller as a stater. He needs to work on his footwork and quickness bigtime. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wsam4031 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 He is defiantly a work in progress. Took way too many penalties for me. I did see some nastiness in him which I liked but still a work in progress. He will get a chance to start but shouldn't stop them from bringing in competition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 He'll need to compete for his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 I think with a better O line coach & a good veteran talking in his ear he will work out the guy has the strength he just needs to hone his kraft & you can't do that in one season i hope this year he will show better & his time on the field last yr is invaluable so we all will see but if nothing else i see him sticking around as a good depth option ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Drafted about where he should have been. Hope we've finally learned the key to winning is QB/OL and we go get studs in the OL With that, I think the whole rest of the team looks better. A Weak OL and the barn will burn, no matter how many thoroughbreds are inside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 I think he had good plays and bad plays. I would like to see what he can do with better players around him. I would also like to see him learn from veteran Olineman that have had success in the NFL and not what the Bills put on the field last season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 4 hours ago, oldmanfan said: A work in progress Think this is the general consensus all the way around. Same story as in college. Nasty Road grader in the run game . Can't block a telemarketer call in the passing game. In fairness his head probably was swimming a bit being put into starting duty as the cupboard was pretty bare. Like everyone think he will be improved year 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Another guy who got completely overrated by fans here. He was ok last year. That said, he deserves a chance to compete for a starting job. But if you can upgrade, do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 (edited) Mark my words, eventually Buffalo's best offensive linemen. Yes, he is that good. He moved all my furniture from the 2nd floor condo without a dolly. Amazingly strong. Edited March 7, 2019 by HOUSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBills88 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Hopefully with new and better coaching he will flourish into a mean, ruthless, smart starting left guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elltrain22 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 He's better than what I had imagined. Good value and production considering his draft position last year. I like Teller, and think he's got a shot to be a nice player for this team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Teller is a 50/50 type player. I think he certainly deserves a shot to win a starting guard position in training camp. He played well at times but also struggled at times. I think ideally the team should find a massive upgrade at one of the guard positions and then draft a guard in round 2 or 3 to compete with Teller for the other guard spot. If Teller beats out the rookie great, if he doesn't then Teller can sit for another year and the team can see how he develops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 2 independent views: On a PFF draft review, one of the 2 reviewers was very high on Teller while also saying Edmunds should have been a day 3pick. I don't know if you have any faith in Madden raters, but his overall rating went from 60-something to 75 by season's end while Miller's is a 74. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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