YoloinOhio Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) Scary thought for a WR Edited February 19, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Nothing like a WR with a foot injury....this sounds familiar for some reason.... I have to admit that scares me a bit. Feet are tricky, as we’ve seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 To me, this completely changes the outlook on Brown. We're talking about an undersized guy whose ONLY real calling card is his speed and quickness. Factoring in a LisFranc injury? Yikes. Whereas I have had him on my short list of players that I'd like to see the Bills draft, I now think they should steer clear of him. These types of injuries can linger and re-occur for years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezertbill Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) This injury is no joke. Some skilled position players were never the same in their careers after suffering from this. Tough for a young kid. Hopefully he comes out on top More than 90% of NFL athletes who sustained Lisfranc injuries returned to play in the NFL at a median of 11.1 months from time of injury. Offensive and defensive players experienced a decrease in performance after return from injury that did not reach statistical significance compared with their respective control groups over a similar time period. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27166291 Edited February 18, 2019 by dezertbill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 He was never on my list because of his size Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Scary thought for a WR Not good. On the plus side I think a lot of the players who have had real struggle returning from them are very big guys. Keeping weight off of it for a long time to let it heal is critical and I'm guessing people who carry a lot of extra run a higher chance of re-injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 I doubt his draft stock changes much, mainly because I had him as a likely 2nd round pick, possible 3rd round pick anyway due to his size and the deep WR talent pool in first 3 rounds of the draft. I would expect he will still go in 2nd or 3rd round, although any hopes of him making a first round case are now gone because he really needed to do that at the combine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: He was never on my list because of his size The one game I tuned in to focus just on him, he dropped like 3 straight balls, then got hurt when he caught the 4th. Not his best game, I’m sure....and he might even pay me to never watch him again! Tough break for the young man (no pun intended). Hope he heals up as best and quickly as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 15 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I doubt his draft stock changes much, mainly because I had him as a likely 2nd round pick, possible 3rd round pick anyway due to his size and the deep WR talent pool in first 3 rounds of the draft. I would expect he will still go in 2nd or 3rd round, although any hopes of him making a first round case are now gone because he really needed to do that at the combine. He’s a first round guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 18, 2019 Author Share Posted February 18, 2019 He was in the top 10 of Daniel Jeremiah’s big board I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 I was all for Brown with our pick in the first....until now. He was projected to run high 4.2 to low 4.3 as well. Certain things you don't mess with....feet, hamstrings, groin. Those always seem to lead to repeat injuries down the road. Not even considering him before the 3rd anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Joshin' Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 20 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: He’s a first round guy. My guess is no and hopefully not for the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: He’s a first round guy. Dont get me wrong, I like Brown a lot. But for me, he was certainly a potential first round guy, but he was no lock for the first round IMO. To be fair I don't see any WR as a "lock" for the first round right now given how deep and closely graded the class is. With the combine coming up, there are at least 7 WRs who all have a chance to make first round cases, and then its going to be team by team preference. Plus WR's are one of those groups where the draft order never goes as expected. Lots of times there are "first round" guys who see several other less talked about WRs go ahead of them as they fall to 2nd and 3rd round. Its going to happen this year too, and given Browns size, he was one I thought had that kind of slip potential given the crowded WR group. I think the closest 2 guys to being a lock for the first round are Metcalf and Harry...yet even they both need to show strong at the combine for that to be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 No thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 18, 2019 Author Share Posted February 18, 2019 55 minutes ago, Logic said: To me, this completely changes the outlook on Brown. We're talking about an undersized guy whose ONLY real calling card is his speed and quickness. Factoring in a LisFranc injury? Yikes. Whereas I have had him on my short list of players that I'd like to see the Bills draft, I now think they should steer clear of him. These types of injuries can linger and re-occur for years. Yep. Now maybe he can still have that after the surgery but a 1st round Wr with foot issues gives me PTSD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubbaT Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Is that what Sammy had? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 18, 2019 Author Share Posted February 18, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BubbaT said: Is that what Sammy had? Jones fracture of the 5th metatarsal, from repeated stress on the foot (not an acute break) Edited February 18, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 28 minutes ago, Just Joshin' said: My guess is no and hopefully not for the Bills. Teams look at smaller guys production like Tyreek Hill/Hilton/AB.. It will push his draft stock higher. He has the production in college too. I’ll stick to my guns he’ll be a first round guy even with the foot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 No more "boo boo foot" WR's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 I think he was the biggest BS factor of Oklahoma getting in over OSU in the CFP. He got hurt in the Big 12 title game, Oklahoma is a different team without him, they lied and assured everyone he would be fine for the playoffs. He clearly wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Must admit his diminutive size, foot surgery and the fact he is AB's cousin give me pause for concern. Weird that DJ Metcalf and Stanley Morgan Jr also have strong NFL Bloodlines too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Stay far, far away. Damaged goods in the draft are no where near worth a 1st rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 18, 2019 Author Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 minute ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Teams look at smaller guys production like Tyreek Hill/Hilton/AB.. It will push his draft stock higher. He has the production in college too. I’ll stick to my guns he’ll be a first round guy even with the foot It’s worth remembering that not every team has the dire WR situation that we do and can afford to draft him high, and they will. Bills probably will need to take a safer approach at that position imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 I hope Brown fully recovers and I hope the Bills do not draft any WR with an injury history in the first three rounds. The Bills need at least 3 starters from this year's draft imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 I hope he recovers and has a great career. but I don’t see us taking him, and this only cements it in my mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 hour ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Teams look at smaller guys production like Tyreek Hill/Hilton/AB.. It will push his draft stock higher. He has the production in college too. I’ll stick to my guns he’ll be a first round guy even with the foot Your guns may be empty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Repairing this injury to the foot is like pulling the frame on a car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 3 hours ago, Logic said: To me, this completely changes the outlook on Brown. We're talking about an undersized guy whose ONLY real calling card is his speed and quickness. Factoring in a LisFranc injury? Yikes. Whereas I have had him on my short list of players that I'd like to see the Bills draft, I now think they should steer clear of him. These types of injuries can linger and re-occur for years. Wow, really wanted him bad. Now I guess it's time to focus on Metcalf or OL @ 9. Not sure I'd now consider Hollywood even in the 2nd round? Tough injury and after Sammy I'm sure the team is gun shy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 This just reaffirms my thoughts that I want absolutely nothing to do with this guy unless it’s the 4th rd or later. Doug Whaley once said that human bodies weren’t made to play football. This dudes body wasn’t made to play flag football now he can’t show the world how fast he is because he can’t run at the combine or pro day. Let someone else roll the dice on a 165 lb wr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubbaT Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Jones fracture of the 5th metatarsal, from repeated stress on the foot (not an acute break) Thank you. I just couldnt remember. I know any foot injury for wideouts can be really problematic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 3rd rounder at least IMO after revealing that injury. It's a crapshoot if he ever gets his speed back. Who needs a 170# possession receiver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 I wouldn’t have touched him in the first regardless. I wouldn’t even draft this kid now in the top 100. 39 minutes ago, NewEra said: This just reaffirms my thoughts that I want absolutely nothing to do with this guy unless it’s the 4th rd or later. Doug Whaley once said that human bodies weren’t made to play football. This dudes body wasn’t made to play flag football now he can’t show the world how fast he is because he can’t run at the combine or pro day. Let someone else roll the dice on a 165 lb wr Been saying this all along. At 5’9 165 it would be a first. No thanks. Ill take Deebo Samuels but he’s 5’11 215 brickhouse, fast, quick, great hands, being they are big 10.5” hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 18, 2019 Author Share Posted February 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, BubbaT said: Thank you. I just couldnt remember. I know any foot injury for wideouts can be really problematic. Yep - Lis Franc is what Joey Bosa had - any foot issue with a WR is a risk especially at top of draft where those picks are like gold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 Hope it goes well for him. I really don't want the Bills to draft him though. For all they say stuff like being ready for camp in the summer, these sorts of injuries always seem to take more time for recovery. And quite often an extra surgery. Probably as a result of coming back 'too soon'. Imho, any GM who wanted to take him, should be prepared to sit him for most of the season, because I believe that the extra time sat, makes the difference in how well ultimately, the recovery goes. I'd also say that he same should apply to a lot of other injuries, but unfortunately, the way the CBA is set up, guys don't really get given that extra time to heal. Teams simply aren't prepared to wait, and sometimes can't wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said: Wow, really wanted him bad. Now I guess it's time to focus on Metcalf or OL @ 9. Not sure I'd now consider Hollywood even in the 2nd round? Tough injury and after Sammy I'm sure the team is gun shy. There's a certain point in the draft that, if he falls far enough, I'd consider him. Not quite sure what that point is. But a speed WR with a potentially chronic foot injury just doesn't sound very enticing to me. Wonder why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted February 18, 2019 Share Posted February 18, 2019 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: He was in the top 10 of Daniel Jeremiah’s big board I believe Well no chance he goes in the first now. Tough blow for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Jones fracture of the 5th metatarsal, from repeated stress on the foot (not an acute break) Wow. That sucks. Drafting him remotely highly would scare the ? out of me now. If he’s there with our pick in the second I don’t think I pull the trigger. Yes in the third. Edited February 19, 2019 by BarleyNY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 5 hours ago, Logic said: To me, this completely changes the outlook on Brown. We're talking about an undersized guy whose ONLY real calling card is his speed and quickness. Factoring in a LisFranc injury? Yikes. Whereas I have had him on my short list of players that I'd like to see the Bills draft, I now think they should steer clear of him. These types of injuries can linger and re-occur for years. I agree with you. Foot injuries for a speed guy make him a big risk. There are too many other good options. If he falls into day three of the draft, I might take a chance but I don't see that happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Scary thought for a WR Glad this happened before we traded 2 first to move up and get him.? 6 hours ago, Logic said: To me, this completely changes the outlook on Brown. We're talking about an undersized guy whose ONLY real calling card is his speed and quickness. Factoring in a LisFranc injury? Yikes. Whereas I have had him on my short list of players that I'd like to see the Bills draft, I now think they should steer clear of him. These types of injuries can linger and re-occur for years. Appearantly with Watkins they can even move from one foot to the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Which wrs didn’t come back from this? Genuinely curious who the comparables are if so many are scared of it? I don’t know offhand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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