JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 I love how frugal this board gets when ever we sign someone in Free Agency. Never mind the numerous articles about how hard it is to get FA to the Bills and the need to offer extra money. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Everyone is hanging their hats on Paradis. If he leaves the Broncos there are lots of teams that would be interested. The Bills can still sign him and move Long to guard. If the Bills cant land Paradis then they still have The Bills prob will not be bringing back Groy or Miller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 46 minutes ago, DBilz2500 said: Another worthless signing. We have all this cap space and we will probably waste it on below average talent. Go play in traffic please 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Just now, SWATeam said: I'm Shocked! ? I know I know In this case it is not because I love the player (I know very little about him) it is because of the situation we went through losing vet OL last year which hurt us.....and we are about to go through more departures......this kid has a lot of NFL starts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said: Agreed. I would plug him in as the starting right guard right now. Let him play where he is comfortable and where he played in college. Outside of Saffold, Foster, Quinton Spain and maybe AJ Cann, there is not much better on the market at guard. Long is probably similar in value to Cann. Long makes sense because he offers them options and leverage. If they can't sign Morse, then they can chase a guard and leave Long at center. He was at his best in man schemes under Bill Callahan in Washington. Sure he can play in a zone, but he's no good there. It's why Gase got rid of him and I think Gase is going to go all in on Matt Paradis. Also makes sense in that he's a 'process' guy: team captain in college and thought to be super-competitive which is nice on the OL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 this is a great signing, IMO. The Bills can get rid of Groy, who looked lost. We now have a swing backup. We can still go after one of the top 2 centers in FA, along with drafting and OT or two. Not bad for a backup center who could start at other parts on the line. You need depth at center. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Just now, 2018 Our Year For Sure said: Also makes sense in that he's a 'process' guy: team captain in college and thought to be super-competitive which is nice on the OL. I think he might have been a walk on and a pre med guy too. So super smart. Very processey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 53 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Probably how it will go. Unless they draft someone then I can see Bodine cut If this IS true, the Bills F.O. better start taking the O-line a lot more seriously or they are going to be looking for jobs in another couple years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BillsfanAZ said: Everyone is hanging their hats on Paradis. If he leaves the Broncos there are lots of teams that would be interested. The Bills can still sign him and move Long to guard. If the Bills cant land Paradis then they still have The Bills prob will not be bringing back Groy or Miller. Paradis is perfect for Adam Gase. He was drafted for Gase's scheme in Denver, they need a center as much as us. They have more cap than us. I think he's going to be a Jet. I could see Arizona and the Vikings making a huge push. I think our guy is Mitch Morse based on no actual proof. Edited February 12, 2019 by MrEpsYtown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Bodine is terrible. Maybe this is the signing that kicks Bodine off the roster. Who knows? No need to panic yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said: I think you are absolutely correct. He will be the 2019 version of Groy as the primary backup for center and guard. The details of the contract will tell us a lot. I'll bet anything that the contract is front loaded. The Bills have Dawkins, Teller on rookie contracts and whatever big OL FA or FA's they sign. That gives them wiggle room to back load the big contracts and front load Long's. That way Long is off the books when both Teller and Dawkins coming up as FA's 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 24 minutes ago, Capco said: That's a bit high for a depth player, isn't it? how much is guaranteed? and for someone that can start, it's probably pretty fair money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Y. Orangeman Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 I'll be shocked if Paradis doesn't re-sign in Denver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 I see this as more of a depth signing because they knew what they had in Groy or at least what they thought they had because of the coaching at the O line position i think the Rams will pick Groy up now that Kromer is there & he will be a really good player for them . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 At the end of the day, we MUST spend a minimum amount of cash in FA per NFL rules I believe.And if we can't entice some of the bigger names/contracts, the money has to be spent. So there's another aspect to consider.....and at this price, and position, I don't think it's beyond a reasonable contract 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyWhiteShows Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 52 minutes ago, billspro said: Hmmmm makes me think that we will draft a center in round 2. Seems like a veteran backup C/G. Hopefully it is not a competition between him and Bodine for starting C. I disagree.... I think he will compete for Bidine as starting Center. I don’t expect they’ll draft a Center. I could be wrong but you don’t give a 3 year deal to a depth player. I think the Bills see him as a starter and perhaps think he can regain the form he had in Washington. Say what you will, but he was regarded as solid during his time in Washington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Paradis is perfect for Adam Gase. He was drafted for Gase's scheme in Denver, they need a center as much as us. They have more cap than us. I think he's going to be a Jet. I could see Arizona and the Vikings making a huge push. I think our guy is Mitch Morse based on no actual proof. If the bills offer the same amount of money I’d like our shot, and that’s an “IF”. He’s from a small town in Idaho and I’m not sure he’d like it in jersey as much. Maybe, that’s just me being hopeful. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 People freaking out is pretty hilarious...what makes you think we can sign paradis? This at least gives us a potential starting center even before FA begins...relax and let it play out 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Y. Orangeman Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Great signing. He is better than Miller, Groy and Bodine. Relatively cheap deal and position flexibility. Bonus for those who care: he won't count in the comp draft picks formula :). 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 He is a good player when he doesn't have broken fingers on his snapping hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Look on the bright side guys... The Bills must be planning to have an awesome OL if the depth guys are getting $4M per year.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, N.Y. Orangeman said: I'll be shocked if Paradis doesn't re-sign in Denver. If said it a few times, but I don't think he is a Munchak type of lineman. Munchak likes his guys to be huge. Also, I read somewhere that Elway made him a laughable, low ball offer. I'm assuming that the story about Paradis being a selfish, crappy teammate came literally from the horse's mouth as a way to justify letting him go. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, N.Y. Orangeman said: Great signing. He is better than Miller, Groy and Bodine. Relatively cheap deal and position flexibility. Bonus for those who care: he won't count in the comp draft picks formula :). The fact that he is probably better then what we had gets completely missed on folks.....want pro bowlers at every postion 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: He was at his best in man schemes under Bill Callahan in Washington. Sure he can play in a zone, but he's no good there. It's why Gase got rid of him and I think Gase is going to go all in on Matt Paradis. The worth of this deal.......like most.......is the guarantees. I have hopes for both Teller and Boettger.......more specifically that at least one of them will become a good starter........ but the reality is that right now Long is a proven option. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 16 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Agreed. I would plug him in as the starting right guard right now. Let him play where he is comfortable and where he played in college. Outside of Saffold, Foster, Quinton Spain and maybe AJ Cann, there is not much better on the market at guard. Long is probably similar in value to Cann. Long makes sense because he offers them options and leverage. If they can't sign Morse, then they can chase a guard and leave Long at center. He was at his best in man schemes under Bill Callahan in Washington. Sure he can play in a zone, but he's no good there. It's why Gase got rid of him and I think Gase is going to go all in on Matt Paradis. At his best he is a nice pulling guard. Very agile and fluid movement. Usually guys with those skill sets fit a zone blocking scheme better. He was introduced as a finesse sort of player. I’m sure he’ll have the same production in either scheme though. And would love Paradis btw but doubt he even hits the market. My 1A option if Paradis isn’t coming to FA is Mitch Morse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 I guess I'll wait and see if they think he's a starter. Solid backup, but I'm hoping for better as a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) 34 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Have you seen what starting guards make? He's been a starter pretty much his whole career. We just signed him to a 3 year deal up to 5 mil a season. I don't want him to be the starter either. But as it stands now, he's the 8th highest paid player on the whole team. I can't fathom paying that for a backup Center. Especially when you see what they were paying Groy and Bodine to be their starter(s) last season. It's more than both of them combined. But for the sake of argument, let's say he is depth. Do you really see them going out and signing one of the top Centers to a big time FA deal with that contract already on the books? No way they invest that much in to one position. Edited February 12, 2019 by BillsFanForever19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 28 minutes ago, Captain Murica said: Ralph is cheap. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 5 minutes ago, BillyWhiteShows said: I disagree.... I think he will compete for Bidine as starting Center. I don’t expect they’ll draft a Center. I could be wrong but you don’t give a 3 year deal to a depth player. I think the Bills see him as a starter and perhaps think he can regain the form he had in Washington. Say what you will, but he was regarded as solid during his time in Washington Ddepends on whether or not year 3 is garuanteed. Groy signed a two year deal, and another two year deal after McD was hired. Yeah, his second contract was only $5 million, but was fully garaunteed. So depending on the language of the contract, it may very well just end up a middle of the road deal. This doesn't mean we don't draft/acquire more bodies at Center, or Guard for that matter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, Captain Murica said: If the bills offer the same amount of money I’d like our shot, and that’s an “IF”. He’s from a small town in Idaho and I’m not sure he’d like it in jersey as much. Maybe, that’s just me being hopeful. Interesting thought. Even we New Jerseyans don't like it in Jersey. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 "Lingering Finger Injury??" Did somebody pull too hard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 33 minutes ago, teef said: On a scale of 1-10, how angry should I be? 109 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Marv's Neighbor said: "Lingering Finger Injury??" Did somebody pull too hard? Something always lingers when the grandkids pull my finger? Edited February 12, 2019 by BuffAlone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNubbins Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Ralph is cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: He's been a starter pretty much his whole career. We just signed him to a 3 year deal up to 5 mil a season. I don't want him to be the starter either. But as it stands now, he's the 8th highest paid player on the whole team. I can't fathom paying that for a backup Center. Especially when you see what they were paying Groy and Bodine to be their starter(s) last season. It's more than both of them combined. But for the sake of argument, let's say he is depth. Do you really see them going out and signing one of the top Centers to a big time FA deal with that contract already on the books? No way they invest that much in to one position. I said he isnt depth.... I said before even seeing the numbers that he’s Groy replacement but he can start on the interior - but it very well could be at G with the versatility to backup at C. That’s my whole point - it’s a great deal for a starter and I think he will at least start at G. Edited February 12, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: If said it a few times, but I don't think he is a Munchak type of lineman. Munchak likes his guys to be huge. Also, I read somewhere that Elway made him a laughable, low ball offer. I'm assuming that the story about Paradis being a selfish, crappy teammate came literally from the horse's mouth as a way to justify letting him go. It's funny because Denver's mascot is a horse but also John Elway looks like a horse. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Nice to see the insta-negatives on the prowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Y. Orangeman Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 FWIW, The reports on Paradis were resoundingly debunked: https://www.milehighreport.com/2019/2/8/18217442/teammates-former-teammates-and-insiders-respond-to-false-accusations-made-against-matt-paradis 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 39 minutes ago, Captain Murica said: FYI the Bills would save 2 million by cutting Bodine and another 2 million by cutting Ducasse. I would expect Ducasse to be cut following this move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Just now, Joe in Winslow said: Nice to see the insta-negatives on the prowl I just think expectations this off season are high.......so when you see a under the radar question ppl get nervous. I saw the same thing when we signed Lorenzo Alexander 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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