Zerovoltz Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 It's no secret I'm a Chiefs fan.....KC will be in the TE2 market. I know from being around this board a while, Charles Clay has fallen out of favor here. Wondering what your evaluation of him is? I am curious if he'd be a good fit as our TE2 in KC....how is he as a blocker? route runner? etc? I know you all are pissed he didn't catch that dying duck Allen threw in Miami...but as objectively as you can...what and who is Charles Clay at this point in his career? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 To paraphrase Henny youngman: "Take Charles Clay. Please." 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Underperforming, overpaid, not available enough. Not all of which are entirely his fault, as he has got open from time to time, but hasn’t been thrown the football. His hands aren’t great though, so that might be a blessing in disguise. Best blocker of the Bills TEs, but still not good enough, imho. Injury prone is probably not fair, but misses too many games, and has knees that see him sit out a lot of practices. Which I believe has contributed to him not getting the looks he might have. Clay isn’t a bad player, but he’s on the slippery slope downhill, unless something changes dramatically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Happy to trade him to you.., How does a 5th sound? Only the one though... we are keeping the other one.. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Only thing worse then his knees are his hands. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 21 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: To paraphrase Henny youngman: "Take Charles Clay. Please." ...good guy, but Clay is "kiln dried".....time to move on.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 He's a degenerative knee issue that's only going to get worse. My guess is that he's more likely to retire within the next 12 months than regain anything of his former self. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 I'd swap him for Kelce 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 I can't do one but my cousin's is hilarious. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Zerovotlz said: It's no secret I'm a Chiefs fan.....KC will be in the TE2 market. I know from being around this board a while, Charles Clay has fallen out of favor here. Wondering what your evaluation of him is? I am curious if he'd be a good fit as our TE2 in KC....how is he as a blocker? route runner? etc? I know you all are pissed he didn't catch that dying duck Allen threw in Miami...but as objectively as you can...what and who is Charles Clay at this point in his career? He's not the match-up nightmare he was a few years ago. He's still our best blocking TE, but that isn't saying much when out of our three TE's 2 of them are converted from other positions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Zerovotlz said: It's no secret I'm a Chiefs fan.....KC will be in the TE2 market. I know from being around this board a while, Charles Clay has fallen out of favor here. Wondering what your evaluation of him is? I am curious if he'd be a good fit as our TE2 in KC....how is he as a blocker? route runner? etc? I know you all are pissed he didn't catch that dying duck Allen threw in Miami...but as objectively as you can...what and who is Charles Clay at this point in his career? When healthy hes a good TE 1, dispite what people on this board may think. I really wouldnt be shocked if he stayed put. He a good all around TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 6 minutes ago, freddyjj said: I can't do one but my cousin's is hilarious. Thank you. That was my first reaction to the thread as well. Great minds... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Zerovotlz said: It's no secret I'm a Chiefs fan.....KC will be in the TE2 market. I know from being around this board a while, Charles Clay has fallen out of favor here. Wondering what your evaluation of him is? I am curious if he'd be a good fit as our TE2 in KC....how is he as a blocker? route runner? etc? I know you all are pissed he didn't catch that dying duck Allen threw in Miami...but as objectively as you can...what and who is Charles Clay at this point in his career? In two years will you be on the Chiefs board asking about whether your new favorite team should pick up Sammy Watkins for their WR3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Im to fat to do an impression of Clay. If I dont start taking better care of myself I might be able to do a Rob Ryan impression in a few years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 56 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: When healthy hes a good TE 1, dispite what people on this board may think. I really wouldnt be shocked if he stayed put. He a good all around TE. Except in the past two years his hands have been horrible. A good number 1 tight end in today’s NFL has much better hands. We aren’t taking about 1 big drop here. Numerous. How many would-be touchdowns has he had bounce off of his hands? Far to many to be a number 1 tight end. Good tight ends are are game changers in today’s game and he is nowhere near that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Blokestradamus said: He's a degenerative knee issue that's only going to get worse. My guess is that he's more likely to retire within the next 12 months than regain anything of his former self. This. He had two reasonable years of production in Roman's offense but the knee issue has really slowed him. He can't block like he used to because his bad knee has affected his ability to anchor his base and he doesn't move as well running routes as he used to. I don't think Clay will be in the NFL next year. The Bills will cut him and he will only be offered small TE2 deals and will decide it is not worth risking his health for. Edited February 5, 2019 by GunnerBill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 I'd suggest converting kelvin Benjamin, he just needs a little work on in line blocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 4 hours ago, Zerovotlz said: It's no secret I'm a Chiefs fan.....KC will be in the TE2 market. I know from being around this board a while, Charles Clay has fallen out of favor here. Wondering what your evaluation of him is? I am curious if he'd be a good fit as our TE2 in KC....how is he as a blocker? route runner? etc? I know you all are pissed he didn't catch that dying duck Allen threw in Miami...but as objectively as you can...what and who is Charles Clay at this point in his career? Wait What???? Clay has fallen out of favor with the fans. Not sure what the FO thinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 https://giphy.com/gifs/sethward-football-wtf-xULW8mI1EaVuy0lhnihttps://giphy.com/gifs/sethward-football-wtf-xULW8mI1EaVuy0lhni Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 47 minutes ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said: I'd suggest converting kelvin Benjamin, he just needs a little work on in line blocking. Kelvin Benjamin converted to TE is Jason Croom. Can't catch, can't block, runs horrid routes and has ball security issues. I really want the Bills to start over at the TE position and rebuild it through FA and the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Here's a picture of Clay, if that helps. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Dead Man Walking, depending on his knees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 1 hour ago, BuffaloBillies said: Here's a picture of Clay, if that helps. you could have at least used the red eyes if you wanted to joke around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Bye bye! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 I just hope the Bills don't get rid of him until someone better replaces him. That is the same situation with many players on this team right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Zerovotlz said: It's no secret I'm a Chiefs fan.....KC will be in the TE2 market. I know from being around this board a while, Charles Clay has fallen out of favor here. Wondering what your evaluation of him is? I am curious if he'd be a good fit as our TE2 in KC....how is he as a blocker? route runner? etc? I know you all are pissed he didn't catch that dying duck Allen threw in Miami...but as objectively as you can...what and who is Charles Clay at this point in his career? very easy to immediately dislike a fan of another team when they lead in with something like this..... and what I think you meant to say was "didn't catch that ball he should have caught"..... amongst a handful of other large drops and not being available over the years. hindsight being what it is. that DROP in Miami saved us 7 draft slots. it was arguably the most helpful play he's ever "made" as a bill. all that being said, I think he'd be a real nice #2 option. Edited February 5, 2019 by Stank_Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 27 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: very easy to immediately dislike a fan of another team when they lead in with something like this..... and what I think you meant to say was "didn't catch that ball he should have caught"..... amongst a handful of other large drops and not being available over the years. hindsight being what it is. that DROP in Miami saved us 7 draft slots. it was arguably the most helpful play he's ever "made" as a bill. all that being said, I think he'd be a real nice #2 option. ❄️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Buffalo30 said: Except in the past two years his hands have been horrible. A good number 1 tight end in today’s NFL has much better hands. We aren’t taking about 1 big drop here. Numerous. How many would-be touchdowns has he had bounce off of his hands? Far to many to be a number 1 tight end. Good tight ends are are game changers in today’s game and he is nowhere near that. This year Id agree. I know youre not correct about 2017 because Tyrod doesnt throw thw ball to wide open WR. Furthermore, you dont just forget how to catch a football. Its either a result of a drastic change at QB or a mental thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 31 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: ❄️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 He has talent......his knee is an issue and has been for years. Because of the cap room it would create to release him and his lack of prod this past year he is probably going to be available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 (edited) Sadly my impressions are: Can't stay healthy Misses too many catches he should make (like the one above) But also: Prior QB unable to correctly utilize his talents Even so, led team in receptions and/or yards for prior 2 years Also, a good dude who appreciates fans (personally seen during camp and on-field pre-game) Edited February 5, 2019 by JÂy RÛßeÒ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 8 hours ago, Zerovotlz said: It's no secret I'm a Chiefs fan.....KC will be in the TE2 market. I know from being around this board a while, Charles Clay has fallen out of favor here. Wondering what your evaluation of him is? I am curious if he'd be a good fit as our TE2 in KC....how is he as a blocker? route runner? etc? I know you all are pissed he didn't catch that dying duck Allen threw in Miami...but as objectively as you can...what and who is Charles Clay at this point in his career? As a number 2 he would be very effective. He is more a h-back than a guy you flex out. He is a reliable blocker. He is the opposite of Kelce. Clay doesn't threaten the defense vertically and doesnt make the above the rim type plays. The issue here is that he is paid as a top 10 to 15 te and he is not that guy. What Clay is owed, it's a real stretch envisioning a scenerio where he is retained on his current contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 He’s a fine blocker. It’s really the only thing you can count on him doing to help the team. As a pass catcher, he’s meh. Rarely makes the big catch. Seems to drop the important catches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Wait What???? Clay has fallen out of favor with the fans. Not sure what the FO thinks He was put on a snap count diet from 62% of the snaps Wk 13 to 47% of the snaps Wk 17, with a healthy scratch in there. That's usually not a good sign that the front office thinks you're wonderful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 Too short Too light Avg blocker Below avg hands Always injured I'll take a 5th for him and lose his cap..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 6 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: This year Id agree. I know youre not correct about 2017 because Tyrod doesnt throw thw ball to wide open WR. Furthermore, you dont just forget how to catch a football. Its either a result of a drastic change at QB or a mental thing. Whatever excuse you want to throw out there, the man has been bad for two years. Yes he did drop a lot of passes the year before too. He’s no longer a reliable option, time to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, Buffalo30 said: Whatever excuse you want to throw out there, the man has been bad for two years. Yes he did drop a lot of passes the year before too. He’s no longer a reliable option, time to move on. ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted February 5, 2019 Share Posted February 5, 2019 I'm probably wrong as usual, but I think OBD floated the tender, fully expecting Fins to match and eat up cap space....BUT...it back fired.......so we got Charles for a hefty sum and suspect knee.....at least he tried to make it work.....and I agree with "time to move on".................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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