YoloinOhio Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Russell Bodine played a pretty competent brand of football in his first year with the Buffalo Bills. Never dominating in the trenches, Bodine was rarely a liability either. It was common to see Bodine helping out his guards with blocks and at times looked like the best protector for Buffalo. With Bodine at center, Buffalo is unlikely to establish a power running game without some true maulers to flank him. A more finesse and speed based game should be an easier style to get going with Bodine and require less overhaul around him (though it would still need some). It’s widely expected that the Buffalo Bills will seek to improve the offensive line this offseason and Russell Bodine shouldn’t be considered safe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Over $80 mil in cap space ... Why do they need to save a little cash? I Good Centers don't grow on trees. It's always good to have a quality backup tho 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 22, 2019 Author Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Over $80 mil in cap space ... Why do they need to save a little cash? I Good Centers don't grow on trees. It's always good to have a quality backup tho He’s certainly cheap enough to keep around as depth. I would, however, expect him to be replaced as starter. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He’s certainly cheap enough to keep around as depth. I would, however, expect him to be replaced as starter. possibly. the O Line as a whole need an upgrade. Is he the worst of the bunch? If not keep some consistency for Josh in 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He’s certainly cheap enough to keep around as depth. I would, however, expect him to be replaced as starter. If they can't get one of the better centers in FA, but end up drafting one, then he may hold down the position until the player is ready. Hopefully they will be able to upgrade in FA though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 (edited) I know you need a dance partner to trade down. However, it would be intriguing to trade down in Round 1, get a tackle, get a WR with the Bills 2nd round pick and then pick up one of those tier 1 Cs in round 2 with what you got in the trade down. Jeepers can you imagine if you also pick a G and T in FA?! ...sorry, just like thinking about it. Edited January 22, 2019 by dollars 2 donuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 (edited) I would say given what Bodine did this past year they will be better off keeping him as a depth player if they get another center in the draft or FA . Groy was suppose to be that guy but he didn't pan out so if they let him go Kromer will more than likely pick him up as a rotational guy in LA which was the club that offered him a contract when the Bills gave him his extension so keeping Bodine will be a good move & upgrade from wha they had as a back up plan !! Edited January 22, 2019 by T master 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 I tell ya he was always getting pushed back from what I saw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 35 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Over $80 mil in cap space ... Why do they need to save a little cash? Good Centers don't grow on trees. It's always good to have a quality backup tho Well luckily for the Bills, Bodine is neither a good center nor a quality backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 41 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Over $80 mil in cap space ... Why do they need to save a little cash? I Good Centers don't grow on trees. It's always good to have a quality backup tho That’s no excuse to throw away 2 million on a bad player. He’ll be released 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 22, 2019 Author Share Posted January 22, 2019 Based on the All-22 analysis, I think he’s a decent backup at a decent salary. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Y. Orangeman Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 The Kalil reference makes no sense whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Definitely not a starter. Ryan Groy was just that bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 I'm fine with keeping him...the Bills hav a ton of work to do on the line potentially trying to find two guards and a RT Replacing three guys vs four guys seems a bit better to me. you can still grab one of the C's in the draft later/. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 I don't think Khalil makes sense if he's about the same level as Bodine right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 35 minutes ago, JM57 said: Well luckily for the Bills, Bodine is neither a good center nor a quality backup. 29 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: That’s no excuse to throw away 2 million on a bad player. He’ll be released 24 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Based on the All-22 analysis, I think he’s a decent backup at a decent salary. If the FO thinks he's not the starter they will do something about it. Part of my comment as its such a small amount when you have over $80 million to spend on what 10 to 20 new players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 47 minutes ago, JM57 said: Well luckily for the Bills, Bodine is neither a good center nor a quality backup. Well, safe to say I now believe it's a good idea to bring Bodine back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 I can never understand with how many holes the team has already why so many are cut happy. It’s not our money, they have more cap than they can probably spend and why would you want more holes? Bad enough we have starter needs already to fill which is insanely hard as is, why create more depth holes? Bodine certainly isn’t an elite center but he’s more than serviceable and that contract is dirt cheap for a player who can start when needed. What’s the harm in him playing out this year under that salary? We have seen how much it sucks to have street free agent pickups mid season come in and start 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: I can never understand with how many holes the team has already why so many are cut happy. It’s not our money, they have more cap than they can probably spend and why would you want more holes? Bad enough we have starter needs already to fill which is insanely hard as is, why create more depth holes? Bodine certainly isn’t an elite center but he’s more than serviceable and that contract is dirt cheap for a player who can start when needed. What’s the harm in him playing out this year under that salary? We have seen how much it sucks to have street free agent pickups mid season come in and start Keeping someone just cause you have the cap room is bad business and bad management. I certainly hope Beane doesn’t have your mindset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Paradis and Mitch Morse are going to be the main attractions. The other guy, coming off of injury is Nick Easton. He is better than Bodine, but a notch below those other guys. I think the best centers in the draft aren't actually centers, and that's Jonah Williams and Dalton Risner. They are both projections, but I think they could both be elite centers, especially Williams. I like Deiter too. You definitely kepe Bodine for depth. And I would be okay with him as a starter if they upgraded the guards. Like say they miss out on Paradis and Morse and instead sign Spain and Glowinski, well now Bodine will be more serviceable because he is surrounded by better players. I think the best thing for Josh Allen is a veteran center. If you watched KC closely this year, Morse and Mahomes had a ton of communication and I think Morse was clearly not the issue in pass protections. They are going to be hurting for cap space, so I do think he will shake free. Paradis seemed like a guy that would re-sign with the Broncos, but now I think maybe he goes elsewhere. He is a smallish zone center, perfect for teh Kubiaks and Shanahans of the world. I don't think he is a Mike Munchak type of center. I could see Paradis going to Arizona or Minnesota. If he follows Kubiak, I might make a call to the Vikings about the availability of Pat Elflein, who is not a great zone fit as a guy who is solid, but lacks quickness. But my #1A plan is to sign Mitch Morse. He's a great fit and very scheme versatile. He's a leader, and he is a great communicator on the line. He's my favorite player in free agency. I don't love Paradis because I think he is a zone only center, and I hope Daboll goes to more of a power running scheme like we saw with the Patriots this year. If that's the case I try to sign Morse, or attempt a trade for Elflein. I'd be fine with Paradis, but I think Morse should be our focus. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: Well, safe to say I now believe it's a good idea to bring Bodine back. Bodine back, bring in competition if not a replacement for Bodine, and cut Groy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Just now, BeginnersMind said: Bodine back, bring in competition if not a replacement for Bodine, and cut Groy. I'm game for that plan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 I see nothing wrong with keeping bodine as backup he's cheap. Cut groy and sign Paradis or Morse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 8 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said: Keeping someone just cause you have the cap room is bad business and bad management. I certainly hope Beane doesn’t have your mindset. You can only fill so many spots. Bodine knows the offense and played at a decent level. It’s not like he was a giant liability or something out there. Was he? You’re confident it’s easy to find a starting and backup center in free agency and the draft? Along with how many other starters? Backups? What are the chances you pay someone 3-5 million for 3-5 years in free agency and they are worse than Bodine? My point isn’t you keep players just for the sake of keeping them cause you have money, the point is you cut players after you have the replacements not before. That’s bad business in my opinion. Opening hopes before you’ve filled any. If they sign say Paradis and still draft another center then sure you can let Bodine go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Bodine was ok at times, awful at others, but never good. He's not a top-32 Center in the NFL. That said, he was much better than Groy. We really need to upgrade Center, but I agree with keeping Bodine 1 more year as depth. Groy can walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: He’s certainly cheap enough to keep around as depth. I would, however, expect him to be replaced as starter. Pretty much - don't understand why it's either move on and replace or keep him and scheme around him. Bring in another guy, let the best player win the starting job. Also, "not as bad as we feared" is not what you want to hear if you're trying to be a perennial playoff contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 We should absolutley look to upgrade the position but i dont see any need to get rid of him. We have cap room, he knows the system, could back up G/C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 The Bills 100% need an upgrade at center. It's the third most important offensive position, after QB and LT. Everyone knows a young QB's best friend is a quality center. Ask Jim Kelly how he felt about Kent Hull. I really, REALLY hope the Bills don't rest on their laurels at the center position. It's a huge need. I'm fine with keeping Bodine as a backup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 2 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: possibly. the O Line as a whole need an upgrade. Is he the worst of the bunch? If not keep some consistency for Josh in 2019. Bodine was arguably the best starter outside of Dion Dawkins and/or Jordan Mills. Personally I'd rather spend free agent money on an upgrade to RT/RG and draft a C/G prospect in the mid rounds to compete to start with Bodine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 I feel this thread should be titled "Replacing Russel Bodine with dignity" (for old-timers) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 hour ago, ctk232 said: Pretty much - don't understand why it's either move on and replace or keep him and scheme around him. Bring in another guy, let the best player win the starting job. Also, "not as bad as we feared" is not what you want to hear if you're trying to be a perennial playoff contender. I just wonder if the Bills get a top C in FA and then draft a young C or you vet C that is better than Groy and Bodine. I think the Bills will be ugrading starters and backups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 1 minute ago, PIZ said: I just wonder if the Bills get a top C in FA and then draft a young C or you vet C that is better than Groy and Bodine. I think the Bills will be ugrading starters and backups. Signs so far point to them looking to make those moves - I'd expect them to also make a run at Glowinski and prioritize RG/RT just as equally knowing they likely won't land all three guys, they could make pretty aggressive offers. I'm fine with Bodine as depth as he can also play interior guard. Injuries are crucial along the OL when they happen, so I'm fine with keeping him at his current price. We'll obviously know in a few weeks when they start hosting and signing where the priorities likely lie, but I'd imagine the larger chunks of money to be spent along the OL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 I think finding a starting center will be their #1 off-season goal and it will be the one position they severely overpay to get one of Morse or Paradis. I have my money on Paradis. He’s much more likely to leave Denver than Morse is KC. Denver is about to go out and try to find a young QB build around, (unless they try to get on the Foles train). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 (edited) His play last year was better then I expected, and adequate for a back up level player.. He will probably be a bit overpaid to be the backup in 2019, but it’s jot huge dollars and it will be only for a year.. I prefer that they find his replacement in FA and preferably one of the two big names... otherwise they will have to draft a C early, and maybe Bodine will be the season starter whilst rookie gets up to speed.. There will be plenty of turnover on the OL with Groy, Mills, Ducasse and probably Miller and McDermott unlikely to be there Week 1 2019..Makes sense to being Bodine back at this stage.. Edited January 22, 2019 by Aussie Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Outside of the pats game,I thought Groy held his own the last qtr of the season.Imo,he was a mess last preseason and when he was playing musical chairs with Bodine before the injury...bottom line,for me,I would keep Groy as a back up.p.s.-Bodine was bad in Cincinnati too.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 We're definitely shooting for Garrett Bradbury-NCST with our 2nd round pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: He’s certainly cheap enough to keep around as depth. I would, however, expect him to be replaced as starter. Sign Paradis as your starter and let Bodine/Groy fight it out as depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 The ONLY way you release him is AFTER you have his replacement locked up. You lose all leverage otherwise. It’s not like you can field a roster without a Center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Bodine is the one non-Teller/Dawkins starter that I wouldn't absolutely hate having back as a starter. I would love to replace him, but I know getting three new starters on the line can be hard to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Tomcat Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Veteran Center is my #1 priority that needs and can be solved. Allen needs someone who's been there. Centers are the new sexy! Ya dig? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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