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  1. 1. How much confidence do you have that Sean McDermott will be a successful head coach for the Buffalo Bills within the next 2-3 years?

  2. 2. How much confidence do you have that Brandon Beane will be a successful GM for the Buffalo Bills within the next 2-3 years?


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60-80, 60-80.  Not sure. 2 years, one playoff appearance, look to have acquired a franchise QB and have lots of cap room and draft picks.  One of the best pass defenses in the league to go along with it.  Not sure why anyone would be less than 60% 

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11 minutes ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said:

I ran this poll back in October, with the results posted below. Now that the season has ended, I'm interested to see how answers have changed. 

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Polls of this type, at this forum, don't mean much, b/c the average poster here is apt to love anything to do with the team, at any current moment in time.

 

The people who mock Rex now loved him when he was hired.  The people who mock Whaley now supported his talent for player evaluation when he was GM.  The people who hate on Kiko Alonso now loved him when he played for the Bills and were shocked to hear he was involved in a trade off the team so early in his career. 


And so on.

 

 

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Just now, Nextmanup said:

Polls of this type, at this forum, don't mean much, b/c the average poster here is apt to love anything to do with the team, at any current moment in time.

 

The people who mock Rex now loved him when he was hired.  The people who mock Whaley now supported his talent for player evaluation when he was GM.  The people who hate on Kiko Alonso now loved him when he played for the Bills and were shocked to hear he was involved in a trade off the team so early in his career. 


And so on.

 

 

You haven't been around here much, have you? If anything, this board is way to critical of what/whoever the current regime happens to be.

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I'm at about 80% for Beane. I think he's an intelligent guy, and am excited to see what he does going forward.

 

I like McDermott, but I'm not nearly as confident in him as I am in Beane. I'd say 50%. His decision making in game worries me, and I'll be curious to see what he can do offensively if Daboll ends up leaving.

 

Happy with the team and staff we have, though. Josh is in a fine situation, and I think we'll be ultimately pleased with the team throughout the regime's tenure.

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60-80 for McD, 80-100 for Beane.  McD needs to break out of his conservative shell, and the only personnel move Beane has made that I questioned was trading McCarron for a 5th and going into the season with just Josh and Peterman and no vet.  In retrospect, it seems to have worked pretty well, but at the time, highly questionable. 

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It will be interesting to visit this after free agency.   We all hope they will make good moves and we figure the reason they have not done well on Offense with Free agents is due to money.   Money is not the issue so its time to put up.   Lets hope we can get a good line through FA so we can draft skill positions and be able to manage the cap well!  Go Bills!!!

 

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Until I've got my dancing reps in I'll just reply here:  60-80% on both as well.  They've made mistakes, some head slapping moves in both years have also found some real diamonds in the rough.

 

RE: Beane, not quite sure about his pro personnel operation because I'm not sold on the free agent signings over the last 2 years (and I don't hate Star at all, liked the signing, but agree he's not quite the game changing run stuffing, 2 blocker eraser I was expecting).  I am however encouraged by what seems to be their "under the radar" or even scrap heap type pickups (Wallace, Foster).  In two years (I know he didn't run the draft in year one, but I'll lump it together) it just "feels" they are hitting on more picks than I've seen with other regimes.  I realize this is probably wish-fulfillment type thinking but my hazy memories of drafts throughout the drought were good player here, good player there with nothing in bunches.  Contrast to what I think has been a solid 2 draft haul to build the core of a good, young defense, and a potential franchise QB who has given fans hope heading into next year.

 

RE: McDermott, very conservative, but most coaches are.  He seems to get the most out of marginal NFL type talents, and motivation is probably a strength.  Interested to see if he can learn from and correct his mistakes, there have been some discouraging signs but it's early.  Would like to see how well he does with a (hopefully vastly) improved roster/offense.  Really seems like a partnership with Beane (what Rex said about Whaley buying the groceries and Rex making the meal, except McBeane actually do this).  Let's see how they spend that stack of grocery money this year; I'm onboard with being judicious and rolling what they can into 2020 to set the stage for resigning the core.

 

Excited to see Beane, McDermott, Allen and the defense's progress in 2019.

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1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Not sure they have 2-3 years.

 

Need a good season next year. If not, they may both be gone. 

 

I think the question should be is "how much confidence do you have that both will be successful next season?"

 

Just click 0-20 and move along...

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1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Not sure they have 2-3 years.

 

Need a good season next year. If not, they may both be gone. 

 

I think the question should be is "how much confidence do you have that both will be successful next season?"

 

They won't be gone next year.  The only way that happens is if there is a team mutiny and give up on the coach and the odds of that happening are extremely low.

 

Unlike you Scotty, fans and ownership are happy with both of them and their jobs are very secure at this time.

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1 hour ago, NewEra said:

60-80, 60-80.  Not sure. 2 years, one playoff appearance, look to have acquired a franchise QB and have lots of cap room and draft picks.  One of the best best defenses in the league to go along with it.  Not sure why anyone would be less than 60% 

 

Some people seem to take offense to the fact that McDermott is religious and claps a lot.

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Lmao. Did you just start following this team? 

 

Fans and ownership are happy until when they are expected to win they blow.

 

See the past two plus decades. 

 

 

Which have zero relevance to this team....

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6 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Lmao. Did you just start following this team? 

 

Fans and ownership are happy until when they are expected to win they blow.

 

See the past two plus decades. 

 

 

Sorry to disappoint you Scotty,  their jobs are very secure.

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1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

Polls of this type, at this forum, don't mean much, b/c the average poster here is apt to love anything to do with the team, at any current moment in time.

 

The people who mock Rex now loved him when he was hired.  The people who mock Whaley now supported his talent for player evaluation when he was GM.  The people who hate on Kiko Alonso now loved him when he played for the Bills and were shocked to hear he was involved in a trade off the team so early in his career. 


And so on.

 

 

I still like Whaleys talent evaluation.  I guess you say averagebut there are a good many of us who love football in general and swim through data and  history.  If you can show me solid logic and back it up Im not against changing my mind.  The love what they do no matter what criwd doesnt bother me as much as the negative misinformed crowd.

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I think they get 2019 and 2020 to see what kind of team they can build. The Bills did a great job of drafting in 2018 and knocked it out of the park with two Rookie Free Agents. If they can get their 2019 picks and 2020 picks to contribute as much as 2018 picks did they the Bills will be vastly improved. 

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I chose 60-80% for both.  It's more like the 60% option, but I felt choosing 40-60% to me felt too low.

 

I just don't know at this point, so its probably just really just a 50/50 but I give it a slight more benefit of doubt.  I feel like McDermott has the confidence of the locker room and gets the most out of his players.  Which is a good sign.  I really don't know on Beane.  I will have a better feel after this off season I think.

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6 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

The Honeymoon is over brother. 

 

Better start winning next year. ?? 

 

Your kiding yourself if you think thats not the case. 

Nobody said there wasn't pressure, there is always pressure to win.  If they have a disappointing year then the noose suddenly begins to tighten.

 

I am sure that if you asked Bills brass in private along with ownership, there wasn't a real expectation to win this past year.  If you ask them what they expect for this coming year, I would assume that they would be very disappointed if they don't seriously challenge for the AFC East division.   

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40 minutes ago, Bob in NoCal said:

60-80 for McD, 80-100 for Beane.  McD needs to break out of his conservative shell, and the only personnel move Beane has made that I questioned was trading McCarron for a 5th and going into the season with just Josh and Peterman and no vet.  In retrospect, it seems to have worked pretty well, but at the time, highly questionable. 

 

McD is not conservative.  Not sure why people keep saying this when he’s aggressive all game long with Josh Allen.  This is one myth around here I just don’t understand.  I feel like when the offense was struggling is all anyone remembers during the first half the year.  But once Allen came back from injury and especially after getting rid of KB, he and the offense really opened up.  He was actually quite the opposite of conservative.

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17 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

McD is not conservative.  Not sure why people keep saying this when he’s aggressive all game long with Josh Allen.  This is one myth around here I just don’t understand.  I feel like when the offense was struggling is all anyone remembers during the first half the year.  But once Allen came back from injury and especially after getting rid of KB, he and the offense really opened up.  He was actually quite the opposite of conservative.

McD's approch to winning football games so far has been somewhat conservative with a run heavy ball control O and good D to back it up IMO.

 

I do however think T Mobile behind center and the limited experience of the rookie Allen plays a part in McD's approach.

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2 hours ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said:

I ran this poll back in October, with the results posted below. Now that the season has ended, I'm interested to see how answers have changed. 

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Have to say this is a great thread. Very interesting to see how the results have changed. Nice job!!

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29 minutes ago, Figster said:

McD's approch to winning football games so far has been somewhat conservative with a run heavy ball control O and good D to back it up IMO.

 

I do however think T Mobile behind center and the limited experience of the rookie Allen plays a part in McD's approach.

 

I think you have to have a style of play based off the personnel you have.  If you have Tyrod Taylor one year and a semi raw rookie QB the next year without a lot of play makers, it would be natural to have an emphasis on running more so than a team with a QB you feel more comfortable letting it rip some.   I think you'll see some more passing this upcoming year.  With that said, there have been a number of times where McD surprised me with 4th down calls.   We'll see how he is this coming year.

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3 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

Polls of this type, at this forum, don't mean much, b/c the average poster here is apt to love anything to do with the team, at any current moment in time.

 

The people who mock Rex now loved him when he was hired.  The people who mock Whaley now supported his talent for player evaluation when he was GM.  The people who hate on Kiko Alonso now loved him when he played for the Bills and were shocked to hear he was involved in a trade off the team so early in his career. 


And so on.

 

 

I hated the Rex hire from day one, and said so at the time. I think Whaley got a raw deal and his treatment by so many as a joke and a whipping boy is unjustified. 

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1 hour ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Beane's FA additions have been below average, and he has traded up multiple times in the draft. 

 

McDermott has been conservative, and you have to question whether he has a vision to create a top flight NFL offense. 

 

It's not 0% for me, but it's in the low 20's.

I also picked 20-40%

Beane has yet to bring in any free agents worth noting that weren't that weren't Carolina retreads & I don't know what to think about McDermott (going back to Peterman so many times, the multiple blowouts, consistently being out coached, overly conservative calls) but keep in mind they are new to the job, not everyone was a rockstar at their job day 1, he's had time to learn & improve. 2019 is big. 

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2 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

I still like Whaleys talent evaluation.  I guess you say averagebut there are a good many of us who love football in general and swim through data and  history.  If you can show me solid logic and back it up Im not against changing my mind.  The love what they do no matter what criwd doesnt bother me as much as the negative misinformed crowd.

 

..certainly agree.....we will NEVER know what power he was given as GM.....bonafide "personnel guy in charge" or a personnel gopher" as in handed a shopping list saying "go find them"....and even at this "late date of continued hate", he STILL remains the "dart board of convenience"....go figure...............

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