Estro Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) Denver media reporting multiple teams have reached out to Kugler to set up interviews, but Elway had denied the requests until the Broncos new HC has a chance to assess the current assistants. High chance the Bills are one of those teams. Guy was OL coach here back in 08. Born in Lockport, NY. Would he help our chances of landing Matt Paradis in FA? Kind of a bad look for Elway to be holding assistants hostage when they dont even have a HC. Really screws the coaches that the new coach decides he doesn't want, once all their other opportunities have been filled. Seems Elway is really making Denver an undesirable place to play/work. Anybody remember Kugler when he was here? I dont. Edited January 7, 2019 by Estro 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 I heard he was doing that to Kubiak but didn't know he was doing to all assistants. Elway quickly becoming one of worst GMs 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Also saw they blocked Kubiak from speaking with several teams. Not a good look for Elway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Denver is a dumpster fire 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 A horse is a horse, of course of course 2 7 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Matt Paradis broke his fibula, is that the same bone that Wood broke and then said it took him awhile to get right after? Just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, CommonCents said: Matt Paradis broke his fibula, is that the same bone that Wood broke and then said it took him awhile to get right after? Just curious. One of two bones in your lower leg... I imagine either Tibia or Fibula would take a while to get right from. Also Lockport represent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandemonium Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 9 minutes ago, CommonCents said: Matt Paradis broke his fibula, is that the same bone that Wood broke and then said it took him awhile to get right after? Just curious. Which time he broke his leg are you referring to? The first time he broke both the tibia and the fibula, I’m not sure what bones he broke the second time, nor do I recall him mentioning one of them giving him trouble getting right. Of the two lower leg bones the tibia is the larger and bears the weight, while the fibula supports the ankle and keeps it properly aligned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Just now, Chandemonium said: Which time he broke his leg are you referring to? The first time he broke both the tibia and the fibula, I’m not sure what bones he broke the second time, nor do I recall him mentioning one of them giving him trouble getting right. Of the two lower leg bones the tibia is the larger and bears the weight, while the fibula supports the ankle and keeps it properly aligned. The last time I suppose? In an interview he talked openly about it taking a year or so for him to gain full strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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klos63 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Estro said: Denver media reporting multiple teams have reached out to Kugler to set up interviews, but Elway had denied the requests until the Broncos new HC has a chance to assess the current assistants. High chance the Bills are one of those teams. Guy was OL coach here back in 08. Born in Lockport, NY. Would he help our chances of landing Matt Paradis in FA? Kind of a bad look for Elway to be holding assistants hostage when they dont even have a HC. Really screws the coaches that the new coach decides he doesn't want, once all their other opportunities have been filled. Seems Elway is really making Denver an undesirable place to play/work. Anybody remember Kugler when he was here? I dont. Are they still under contract with Denver? Seems like he's looking out for his teams best interests. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Kugs! Yes he had some success here, got washed out when HC was fired, can't remember who the HC was.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Estro said: Denver media reporting multiple teams have reached out to Kugler to set up interviews, but Elway had denied the requests until the Broncos new HC has a chance to assess the current assistants. High chance the Bills are one of those teams. Guy was OL coach here back in 08. Born in Lockport, NY. Would he help our chances of landing Matt Paradis in FA? Kind of a bad look for Elway to be holding assistants hostage when they dont even have a HC. Really screws the coaches that the new coach decides he doesn't want, once all their other opportunities have been filled. Seems Elway is really making Denver an undesirable place to play/work. Anybody remember Kugler when he was here? I dont. Hopefully Denver will undergo a few decades long slump along with the Pats and Steelers. Kids in Denver will be born, graduate college, and be close to retirement before they make the playoffs again. Bwah-ha-ha-ha. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Meh.........I kinda' like the GM holding the coaches.....we've been screwed by losing good assistants in HC transitions before and hard to tell how many of them the incoming would have liked to keep. I would assume that the new HC in Denver wouldn't hold Kugler if he wanted to come home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meazy26 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Kugler is my guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Even worse when it is looking they are hiring an O line coach as the HC. Just let him go be home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Dick Jauron Era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Estro said: Denver media reporting multiple teams have reached out to Kugler to set up interviews, but Elway had denied the requests until the Broncos new HC has a chance to assess the current assistants. High chance the Bills are one of those teams. Guy was OL coach here back in 08. Born in Lockport, NY. Would he help our chances of landing Matt Paradis in FA? Kind of a bad look for Elway to be holding assistants hostage when they dont even have a HC. Really screws the coaches that the new coach decides he doesn't want, once all their other opportunities have been filled. Seems Elway is really making Denver an undesirable place to play/work. Anybody remember Kugler when he was here? I dont. It all depends upon when Elway pulls the trigger on hiring a new HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turftoe Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 30 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said: Kugs! Yes he had some success here, got washed out when HC was fired, can't remember who the HC was.. He was hired by Dick Jauron as assistant OL coach in 2007. He was promoted to OL coach in 2008. He was an excellent coach. Both Fred Jackson and Marshawn Lynch were 1000 yd runners and he coached Jason Peters to 2 Pro Bowls. The Pittsburgh Steelers signed him when Chan Gailey took over in 2010. I think Buffalo didn't even hold him for an interview as Chan Gailey may of had his own OL coach in mind. At the time, I thought it was a big loss. Kugler has the local ties which also makes him attractive. Unfortunately, Buffalo will have to wait if they really want him. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: Even worse when it is looking they are hiring an O line coach as the HC. Just let him go be home. Agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 40 minutes ago, klos63 said: Are they still under contract with Denver? Seems like he's looking out for his teams best interests. It's a short term win for Denver. You have to consider the reputation a team/GM has before you choose to go there. If you fire your HC and deny interviews for assistants until a HC is chosen and the team decides if you are still wanted, your reputation will suffer. Causing people to miss out on opportunities is not overlooked in today's NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Pretty ass move by Elway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said: It's a short term win for Denver. You have to consider the reputation a team/GM has before you choose to go there. If you fire your HC and deny interviews for assistants until a HC is chosen and the team decides if you are still wanted, your reputation will suffer. Causing people to miss out on opportunities is not overlooked in today's NFL. True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 32 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Meh.........I kinda' like the GM holding the coaches.....we've been screwed by losing good assistants in HC transitions before and hard to tell how many of them the incoming would have liked to keep. I would assume that the new HC in Denver wouldn't hold Kugler if he wanted to come home. The problem is NFL coaches have such huge egos and are incestuous. They’ll only hire “their” guys from some past connection. The norm is that good coaches are passed over for loyalty or whatever. Elway isn’t doing these guys any favor because they’ll undoubtedly end up on the street after a HC is hired, unless he’s going to dictate who his HC hires. Then they’ll be less openings for them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) 59 minutes ago, RochesterRob said: Kids in Denver will be born, graduate college, and be close to retirement before they make the playoffs again. Bwah-ha-ha-ha. This is damn near close to what almost happened with my kids Edited January 7, 2019 by stevewin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, klos63 said: Are they still under contract with Denver? Seems like he's looking out for his teams best interests. Yes and they get paid whether they work or not which in my opinion is a key factor. Assistant coaches could offer to release that obligation with ability to interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, Saint Doug said: The problem is NFL coaches have such huge egos and are incestuous. They’ll only hire “their” guys from some past connection. The norm is that good coaches are passed over for loyalty or whatever. Elway isn’t doing these guys any favor because they’ll undoubtedly end up on the street after a HC is hired, unless he’s going to dictate who his HC hires. Then they’ll be less openings for them. I'm sure Kugler is under contract for 2019........he will be getting paid either way. And I do think Elway is going to pick a HC who very much wants to coach/scheme like Elway would if he were coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 10 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: I'm sure Kugler is under contract for 2019........he will be getting paid either way. And I do think Elway is going to pick a HC who very much wants to coach/scheme like Elway would if he were coaching. No doubt they’ll get paid. But I just don’t think these guys want it to go down that way. They want to coach in the NFL, not sit home on a coach watching the games on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 28 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said: It's a short term win for Denver. You have to consider the reputation a team/GM has before you choose to go there. If you fire your HC and deny interviews for assistants until a HC is chosen and the team decides if you are still wanted, your reputation will suffer. Causing people to miss out on opportunities is not overlooked in today's NFL. Possibly, other than Kugler, do we know of others with interview options? It's also possible some of these coaches are pretty happy to still have a chance to have a job with Denver next season. Either way, Elway doesn't want to lose good assistant coaches, can't fault him for that. Assistant coaches won't think twice to leave a team for another job, it works both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 3 hours ago, Estro said: Denver media reporting multiple teams have reached out to Kugler to set up interviews, but Elway had denied the requests until the Broncos new HC has a chance to assess the current assistants. High chance the Bills are one of those teams. Guy was OL coach here back in 08. Born in Lockport, NY. Would he help our chances of landing Matt Paradis in FA? Kind of a bad look for Elway to be holding assistants hostage when they dont even have a HC. Really screws the coaches that the new coach decides he doesn't want, once all their other opportunities have been filled. Seems Elway is really making Denver an undesirable place to play/work. Anybody remember Kugler when he was here? I dont. He always was an arrogant ******* 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: I'm sure Kugler is under contract for 2019........he will be getting paid either way. And I do think Elway is going to pick a HC who very much wants to coach/scheme like Elway would if he were coaching. Im pretty sure that coaches who go to Denver in the future will ask for an out clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 If the Bills really like him they should wait. I bet Kubiak becomes head coach after they get their Rooney interview in. Maybe they rehire Mike Shanahan? Then they can bring Rick Dennison back, then Kugler is available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: If the Bills really like him they should wait. I bet Kubiak becomes head coach after they get their Rooney interview in. Maybe they rehire Mike Shanahan? Then they can bring Rick Dennison back, then Kugler is available. I'm not sure Elway will want Dennison back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 3 hours ago, CommonCents said: Matt Paradis broke his fibula, is that the same bone that Wood broke and then said it took him awhile to get right after? Just curious. Fibula is the smaller bone that doesn’t bear as much weight. Breaking it sucks but it isn’t a terrible injury provided no muscle or nerve damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 3 hours ago, Ittakestime said: I heard he was doing that to Kubiak but didn't know he was doing to all assistants. Elway quickly becoming one of worst GMs Elway sells cars too, if you wanna a deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 What makes you sure Kugler wants to come here? McDermott fired Castillo after the three best starters on last year's O line left and SURPRISE our O line sucked this year. The O line problems were Beane's fault as much as Castillo's. So the track record for O line coaches here is, get used to the view from under the bus. And look at all the premium talent on the Bills' O line now. We've got..ummm... Sure, what a great spot for Kugler to come into. Why would ANY O line coach want to come to the Bills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Augie Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, Utah John said: What makes you sure Kugler wants to come here? McDermott fired Castillo after the three best starters on last year's O line left and SURPRISE our O line sucked this year. The O line problems were Beane's fault as much as Castillo's. So the track record for O line coaches here is, get used to the view from under the bus. And look at all the premium talent on the Bills' O line now. We've got..ummm... Sure, what a great spot for Kugler to come into. Why would ANY O line coach want to come to the Bills? Maybe because we have cap space and draft picks, and the most important thing we have to do as a team is improve OLine talent. It WAS ugly, but it has to get better in terms of talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 5 hours ago, Meazy26 said: Kugler is my guy. Does he run more of a zone blocking scheme with more mobile linemen (I would assume that if he was with Denver, they always seem to do a lot of that), or does he use more of a power scheme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 6 hours ago, Ittakestime said: Elway quickly becoming one of worst GMs I wish we had a GM that could assemble us a team to get to 2 SBs and win 1. I'd take that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 50 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: I wish we had a GM that could assemble us a team to get to 2 SBs and win 1. I'd take that! He still sucks 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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