Crossman and Castillo? Who stays and who goes?

[LabattBlue]

What say you?

 

 

I don’t think Beane has the clout to tell him who to fire, and McClappy like most HC are loyal to a fault with their assistants.  I think they both stay. 

Edited December 31, 2018 by LabattBlue

[TPS]

I don’t think McD will fire either one. ST actually looked good yesterday after being the cause of the previous Miami loss. The new guys thrown in there looked good. 

 

For O-line, I think Daboll will take more control of the process. I just can’t see McD letting Castillo go. 

[Mountain Man]

Castillo won't get fired, rightly or wrongly, he is highly regarded as an O line coach

[WMDman]

I do think both of them go

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Based on comments by McD will be surprised if Crossman doesn't go.  Castillo will more be up to what Dabo thinks.

 

As to the comment about Beane not having the clout, typically assistant coaches hirng/firing are at the decision of the HC, not the GM.  Does the GM ultimately OK the deal, yes, but more of a rubber stamp of the HC.

Edited December 31, 2018 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

[CaptnCoke11]

MAYBE  Crossman but I’d say neither will be fired 

[whatdrought]

Crossman should be fired. 

 

Castillo probably should be, but the argument could be made that he didn’t have much to work with. He also did get some decent play out of young guys down the stretch. The line played better throughout the back half of the season as teams began to fear Allen’s arms and legs. 

 

Not much a line can do when the D is blitzing 10 guys and letting the 11th sit back in the middle of the field and get the easy interception when the QB throws it wildly into the air. 

[eSJayDee]

I think it's an imperative that Crossman be let go.  Just too much inexcusable poor performance on ST.

As for Castillo, I'd like to see him go, but I think the decision should be based on Daboll's opinion.  He inherited Castillo & maybe he likes the guy & thinks he's a good fit.  Yes, our offense performed poorly, and in his tenure some players have declined (Groy & Miller).  We lacked talent on the Oline & perhaps the thought is that w/ better (& proper "fit") we can get good performance from that unit.

[MAJBobby]

I would say both. But realistically the OL played better down the stretch once players switched out. So I think that keeps Castillo his job unfortunately. 

 

Now Crossman the ST unit has been a mess for years. And regressed even more this year so he will get canned IMO

[ctk232]

3 hours ago, TPS said:

I don’t think McD will fire either one. ST actually looked good yesterday after being the cause of the previous Miami loss. The new guys thrown in there looked good. 

 

For O-line, I think Daboll will take more control of the process. I just can’t see McD letting Castillo go. 

I think this is the likely scenario, but voting more on hope than realistic expectation.

 

I liked ST yesterday, but as a season effort it was pretty bad. I honestly can't say how much of that is on Crossman and how much of it is lack of an ST roster/young guys, but there is more than room for improvement in terms of our kick return packages and how we approach the ST aspect of the game overall. While it was only one play, the Titans opening kick return last night caught everyone off guard and we should look to incorporate some of that as well. The lack of innovation in the ST part of the game seems oddly overlooked, despite the belief that it's a part of the game long in the past.

[TigerJ]

Maybe Crossman.

[NewEra]

We have the the worst non QB running game in the league.  Castillo must go.  Our talent sucks but so does our OL coach.  He had the same results in Baltimore, leading to Harbaugh bringing in Roman to lead the running game.  

[Bray Wyatt]

Castillo gets a lot of flack around here but he also has dog ***** to work with. Crossman cost us games this year where I cant say the same for Juan. Castillo stays, Crossman gone is my vote

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

Both can and should be upgraded.

Edited December 31, 2018 by BuffaloBillsGospel

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Ittakestime]

Bring me Bob Wylie.  Looks like a house cleaning may be coming in Cleveland.

[Bing Bong]

I'm alright with Castillo.

[Victory Formation]

Firing Castillo would be a mistake, he had absolutely nothing to work with. His OL was fine when he had talent to work with. Crossman is the one that needs to go bye bye.

[NickelCity]

Castillo is abysmal. I think he stays, but boy do I want him gone. 

[Victory Formation]

1 minute ago, NickelCity said:

Castillo is abysmal. I think he stays, but boy do I want him gone. 

That's not fair though. He did great when Cog, Wood, Glenn and Dawkins were starting together and I think Wyatt Teller showed growth under Castillo. Guy had Russell Bodine, Ryan Groy and a bunch of scrubs to work with. Castillo is a fantastic coach.

[NickelCity]

2 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:

That's not fair though. He did great when Cog, Wood, Glenn and Dawkins were starting together and I think Wyatt Teller showed growth under Castillo. Guy had Russell Bodine, Ryan Groy and a bunch of scrubs to work with. Castillo is a fantastic coach.

 

A fantastic coach! Wow. I think he was a major step down even when he had talent.

[PIZ]

Was there anything in the press conferences that said Daboll will be heavily involved in the decision on Jaun Castillo, or are we just assuming?  I sure hope he goes, but I have no clue who would be out there that would be better.  Any thoughts on a replacement?  Did Denver fire the whole staff?  Perhaps Sean Kugler (Broncos OL coach) will become available or perhaps McDermott could offer him a promotion?  He coached the Bills OL in 2007 - 2009 and I believe he was the coach that converted Jason Peters to a Pro Bowler.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Victory Formation]

Just now, NickelCity said:

 

A fantastic coach! Wow. I think he was a major step down even when he had talent.

I hate it when fans cant see the bigger picture. Shady rushed for 1,100 behind a Castillo coached line. You take away 3 Pro Bowlers from him, what do you want him to do dude? Look at his resume. He's a good coach.

3 minutes ago, PIZ said:

Was there anything in the press conferences that said Daboll will be heavily involved in the decision on Jaun Castillo, or are we just assuming?  I sure hope he goes, but I have no clue who would be out there that would be better.  Any thoughts on a replacement?  Did Denver fire the whole staff?  Perhaps Sean Kugler (Broncos OL coach) will become available or perhaps McDermott could offer him a promotion?  He coached the Bills OL in 2007 - 2009 and I believe he was the coach that converted Jason Peters to a Pro Bowler.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nope. That was Mouse McNally.

[NickelCity]

21 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:

I hate it when fans cant see the bigger picture. Shady rushed for 1,100 behind a Castillo coached line. You take away 3 Pro Bowlers from him, what do you want him to do dude? Look at his resume. He's a good coach.

 

I do not hold this season against him, as I alluded to. I think previous OLine coaches were better. 

[BBills88]

Ask Baltimore fans about Castillo. They were "Happy" when he left. Look at their oline and running game now.

[freddyjj]

37 minutes ago, PIZ said:

Was there anything in the press conferences that said Daboll will be heavily involved in the decision on Jaun Castillo, or are we just assuming?  I sure hope he goes, but I have no clue who would be out there that would be better.  Any thoughts on a replacement?  Did Denver fire the whole staff?  Perhaps Sean Kugler (Broncos OL coach) will become available or perhaps McDermott could offer him a promotion?  He coached the Bills OL in 2007 - 2009 and I believe he was the coach that converted Jason Peters to a Pro Bowler.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would be for Kugler as a WNY guy and as long as he brings Broncos FA Center Matt Paradis 

[Gugny]

Hope?  Both.

Think? Just Crossman.

[blacklabel]

Both guys have the luxury of saying they didn't have a whole lot to work with, especially on special teams. That whole unit is almost exclusively undrafted guys and first/second-year players. Crossman has somehow survived three different coaching changes and given how he did seem to get things turned around later in the season I wouldn't be surprised if he stayed. Special teams were kind of a mess this year, the whole punter situation was flukey, Hauschka ain't right at the moment, I think that hit he took has affected the power in his kicks, I mean...how do you come up short on 42 and 43 yard field goals? They've shuffled in a bunch of different returners as well. So yeah, given all that, Crossman probably stays with a promise from McBeane to find him a couple more core special teams guys cause right now the only one they have is Alexander. 

 

Castillo stays. It's been a rough year for Shady but some of that's on him. He's not the type to take that "three yards and a cloud of dust" but sometimes you just gotta take what's there. Seems like the OL looked better when Ivory and Ford were in there. Both guys are one cut and go style runners, downhill and all that. I feel like a back like that is probably a better fit for what they wanna do offensively. Not to say I don't think Shady can still have a role as a change of pace back who can also make plays in the passing game. 

 

I dunno. I guess that was a long way of saying, "I think they'll both stay."

Edited December 31, 2018 by blacklabel

[Buddo]

I voted both, but more in hope than expectation.

Neither had much to work with, but were still not up to snuff imho. We’ve definitely had better in the not too distant past.

There’s got to be better guys out there, especially with all the changes happening elsewhere.

[Saint Doug]

Why haven’t these clowns been fired yet. Other teams are cleaning house, why the silence from McD?

[fansince88]

Duck Season. Rabbit Season, Duck Season, Rabbit Season....Rabbit season. DUCK SEASON!!!!!! SHOOT HIM SHOOT HIM

[hemma]

Crossman’s DVOA ranking since 2013:

2013  30

2014   4

2015   12

2016   22

2017   10

2018   32

 

I think it’s time for a different coach.

[Greatdane21]

Possibly Crossman he was a holdover from Ryan days ,if McDermott has someone he has worked with before !

[BrooklynBills]

Special teams:

 

Get Darren Rizzi out of Miami. He is a great coach.

 

The Jets ST coach also got great results this year.

 

OL:

Keeping Castillo is an option.

 

Kugler has done a good job in Denver this year although just coaching inside, has local ties and coached here before, won a SB in Pitt. He had a hand in developing Ryan Clady at Boise State and Jason Peters in Buffalo. He is not the full OL coach so they could move quick and offer him the full job here before Denver hires a HC

[LABILLBACKER]

7 hours ago, hemma said:

Crossman’s DVOA ranking since 2013:

2013  30

2014   4

2015   12

2016   22

2017   10

2018   32

 

I think it’s time for a different coach.

32 gets you fired. We lost 3 games this year directly attributed to ST.

Edited January 1, 2019 by LABILLBACKER

[Mountain Man]

I think the thing that saves Castillo is he lost both Wood and Incognito unexpectedly and had to make do with rookies and largely late rounders. I think he'll get a season with some pieces from FA and the draft

13 hours ago, Saint Doug said:

Why haven’t these clowns been fired yet. Other teams are cleaning house, why the silence from McD?

Of teams letting coordinators go, not head coaches, only 1, Atlanta has been announced. Impatience serves no benefit

[CSBill]

21 hours ago, TPS said:

I don’t think McD will fire either one. ST actually looked good yesterday after being the cause of the previous Miami loss. The new guys thrown in there looked good. 

 

For O-line, I think Daboll will take more control of the process. I just can’t see McD letting Castillo go. 

 

And the cause of the Jets loss. Fire Him!

8 hours ago, Greatdane21 said:

Possibly Crossman he was a holdover from Ryan days ,if McDermott has someone he has worked with before !

 

He has actually survived two regime changes, Marone and Rex. I guess that says something?

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

16 hours ago, NewDayBills said:

I hate it when fans cant see the bigger picture. Shady rushed for 1,100 behind a Castillo coached line. You take away 3 Pro Bowlers from him, what do you want him to do dude? Look at his resume. He's a good coach.

Nope. That was Mouse McNally.

My problem with Castillo is that when the good players left the younger players showed no development. Dawkins has looked like the same player for two seasons and none of the younger players have improved at all. If we gut this o-line and draft 2 or 3 rookies i don't want Castillo anywhere near them. He is a bottom tier o-line coach and needs to be upgraded. Castillo to me is a prime example of addition by subtraction, the team will get better the second he is let go.

[Chicken Boo]

If Bill Callahan becomes available, I hope we're smart enough to upgrade.

[Trogdor]

16 hours ago, blacklabel said:

Both guys have the luxury of saying they didn't have a whole lot to work with, especially on special teams. That whole unit is almost exclusively undrafted guys and first/second-year players. Crossman has somehow survived three different coaching changes and given how he did seem to get things turned around later in the season I wouldn't be surprised if he stayed. Special teams were kind of a mess this year, the whole punter situation was flukey, Hauschka ain't right at the moment, I think that hit he took has affected the power in his kicks, I mean...how do you come up short on 42 and 43 yard field goals? They've shuffled in a bunch of different returners as well. So yeah, given all that, Crossman probably stays with a promise from McBeane to find him a couple more core special teams guys cause right now the only one they have is Alexander. 

 

Castillo stays. It's been a rough year for Shady but some of that's on him. He's not the type to take that "three yards and a cloud of dust" but sometimes you just gotta take what's there. Seems like the OL looked better when Ivory and Ford were in there. Both guys are one cut and go style runners, downhill and all that. I feel like a back like that is probably a better fit for what they wanna do offensively. Not to say I don't think Shady can still have a role as a change of pace back who can also make plays in the passing game. 

 

I dunno. I guess that was a long way of saying, "I think they'll both stay."

How do you not know your kicker is injured? Why would you keep shuffling in punters who can't handle the hold on a kick? The whole special teams sucks. You think Hauschka isn't irritated about this? 

54 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

My problem with Castillo is that when the good players left the younger players showed no development. Dawkins has looked like the same player for two seasons and none of the younger players have improved at all. If we gut this o-line and draft 2 or 3 rookies i don't want Castillo anywhere near them. He is a bottom tier o-line coach and needs to be upgraded. Castillo to me is a prime example of addition by subtraction, the team will get better the second he is let go.

Why is a defensive coach hiring offensive personnel before he even hires a coordinator? This is the crony type stuff he does that I question. Every move seems to be for a mediocre friend and without a thorough search.