freddyjj Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...what if we go OL?.....any thought on the scenarios I posted?............ Hey old time AFL guy, I will take the bait here. Thx for profiling the top OL guys. If if we are as high as 7 I see OBD taking an Edge Guy. Ferrel or Josh Allen. We will be a mess at DE by end of 2019 - food for thought. If we pick D first I like the WVU tackle or Edwards at top of the 2nd. Edited December 29, 2018 by freddyjj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 5 hours ago, Bakin said: Let’s say we have pick 8 and both of these beasts are available (and for all us BPA guys they are tied in BPA value). Who do you pick??? This would kill me. Oliver has generational talent on the D line but Williams could be a decade long anchor with the ability to play all positions. Struggling with this if I am given then choice. Safer choice is Williams but bigger upside is Oliver. What say you? Ed Oliver is not a “generational talent” by any stretch of the imagination. He’s had a mediocre year in the USA conference and is an over-hyped bust waiting to happpen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 59 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...if, IF OL was to be the top priority, what about some of Trapasso's candidates later, be it if McBeane trades down for an extra 2nd or even who may be available on the list as an early 2nd?.... That would absolutely be a good idea. I’m excited to watch Oklahoma-Alabama. Oklahoma’s OLine is stacked but Alabama will be a huge test for them with Quinnen and Raekwon in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 We basically need multiple new offensive linemen. I don't care if they're free agents or draft picks. This team will not have a fully functional, successful offense until the line is fixed. That's the top and bottom line priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 7 minutes ago, DCOrange said: That would absolutely be a good idea. I’m excited to watch Oklahoma-Alabama. Oklahoma’s OLine is stacked but Alabama will be a huge test for them with Quinnen and Raekwon in the middle. ..who would then be your target if Williams is gone?......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thriftygamer83 Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 We can take a good defensive linemen in Tolen Avery in fifth or sixth round. Guy is going very definition of a run clogger who forces negative yardage situations on running backs. Very much like Kyle Williams and a good pickup with work ethic. Playing for the Liberty University Flames he is very much a diamond in the rough but the type of talent we need. Would take Jelks in the first to give the edge rush some teeth on it. As for defensive tackle Dexter Lawerence’s is trending down out of the first round second or third. Like I said before folks the games have not been played and draft stock can trend down in the combine so it’s hard telling where the chips will fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 17 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ..who would then be your target if Williams is gone?......... In a trade down scenario? It depends who is available but there should be a bunch of worthy OLine in the late teens. Could go WR or TE there too or even another defensive lineman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 5 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I think the term “generational talent” is overused. Exactly, no one is a "generational anything" until you see them play. I like the idea of Jonah at LT and moving Dawkins to RT. Sign Paradis at C. Extend Jordan Phillips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 6 hours ago, Bakin said: Let’s say we have pick 8 and both of these beasts are available (and for all us BPA guys they are tied in BPA value). Who do you pick??? This would kill me. Oliver has generational talent on the D line but Williams could be a decade long anchor with the ability to play all positions. Struggling with this if I am given then choice. Safer choice is Williams but bigger upside is Oliver. What say you? I know I am usually preaching offense and surround Josh with some better talent, but I think if Oliver is still there when the Bills pick you take him as the guy is an instant upgrade for a d-line - I do have the head-case concerns and I would expect OBD to do their homework to ensure the sideline tirade was an isolated thing rather than a sign of Aldon Smith-like craziness. There are a couple good tackles in the draft and some mocks have us taking WV's Cajuste. Most would agree that the draft is deep with defensive players, but less so for offensive players. Some use that rational to say that the draft will play out with just defensive guys taken first and foremost. I am not too sure - if the drop in offensive talent is steep from early round to later round talent than there may be a run on the few elite offensive players available and folks will take their chances with the depth of available defensive prospects. I saw one mock where he had the Bills completely focused on offense the first 3 rounds - taking Metcalf as their 1st pick, LT Cajuste with their 2nd pick, and had the Wisconsin Center Biadasz in the 3rd. If Biadasz made it all the way to the 3rd it would be a miracle and a no-brainer steal for the Bills, but that just is not going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 I’m happy if we get either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 Give me the OT. I know nothing of either talent, but know that if he is truly a lock down LT, it gives us options up front with Dawkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 Both are good players, and Williams would be a good choice, but I would take Oliver; because Oliver is more dynamic at his position than Williams is at his, and dynamic interior defensive linemen can change games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Exactly, no one is a "generational anything" until you see them play. I like the idea of Jonah at LT and moving Dawkins to RT. Sign Paradis at C. Extend Jordan Phillips. If he’s supposed to be the next Aaron Donald (which is saying A LOT) ... they are not only the same generation, they are within 5 years of each other. That’s why i don’t get the term usage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 If McBeane goes Ed Oliver in Round 1, I'll have concrete proof that they're boneheads. We need the top 2 OL prospects in this draft (OT, OG) ... I love me some Chris Wilkins, but this is THAT important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: If he’s supposed to be the next Aaron Donald (which is saying A LOT) ... they are not only the same generation, they are within 5 years of each other. That’s why i don’t get the term usage. Ryan Leaf was considered a generational qb until he stepped on an NFL field and sucked. I would rather they use baseball terms like he considered an excellent prospect or projected to be a talent. Saying someone is generational doesn't leave you much of an escape route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted December 30, 2018 Share Posted December 30, 2018 Dont know. I'll tell you after the combine and pro days and after Ive watched all the game tape I can find as well as learning more about the players theyve gone up against. 51 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Ryan Leaf was considered a generational qb until he stepped on an NFL field and sucked. I would rather they use baseball terms like he considered an excellent prospect or projected to be a talent. Saying someone is generational doesn't leave you much of an escape route. His problem was that he was a First Team All-Pro drug addict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted March 16, 2019 Author Share Posted March 16, 2019 Not to bump my own thread but here’s me bumping my own thread. Seems to remain a relevant question here as it’s very possible both players are available at 9. I still don’t have the answer. Oliver with the higher ceiling but Jonah with the higher floor. I think post FA Oliver is the bigger need. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Oliver then and now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 gimmie Oliver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Oliver all day. I’d rather have Taylor or Dilliard at tackle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 I think the winner of a chicken wing eating contest is our pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Oliver and the choice is rather easy, although I like Jonah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Before free agency - Jonah Now - Oliver We have been ultra aggressive in signing veteran offensive linemen heading up into the draft.......literally retooling more then half of the OL Now our more pressing needs seems to be pressure up the middle on defense......and the pick would match the bpa here at this point. Was never a Jonah fan at 9.......now if we TRADE DOWN? My position could change on this because Oliver would be LONG gone at that point 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) I think with the moves we have made in FA...we are going Defense with our 1st. I think judging on Beane's last draft.... all signs point to Oliver if he is there at pick 9. A trade down or trade up is possible or an unexpected fall (Williams DT, Bosa, Allen) could change the landscape. Edited March 16, 2019 by Magnum Force 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 ....sorry folks, but do not get to see college ball because of work....see Taylor's name mentioned in several mocks...should he be part of this poll/equation?....thanks for the insight....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Then - Oliver. Now - Oliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 On 12/29/2018 at 8:52 PM, #34fan said: If McBeane goes Ed Oliver in Round 1, I'll have concrete proof that they're boneheads. We need the top 2 OL prospects in this draft (OT, OG) ... I love me some Chris Wilkins, but this is THAT important. I like Wilkins too...but Buffalo hasn't faired well with Clemson drafted players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 On 12/29/2018 at 5:52 PM, #34fan said: If McBeane goes Ed Oliver in Round 1, I'll have concrete proof that they're boneheads. We need the top 2 OL prospects in this draft (OT, OG) ... I love me some Chris Wilkins, but this is THAT important. We have signed like 4 veteran OL......where is the room? To me it is about talent and utilization......Ed Oliver starts from DAY ONE.....you get the most reps out of him and he is the more talented player Meanwhile there is much talk about whether these top OT's should be playing at OG..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 I think Oliver is a more impactful player. William's will be hard pressed to break the starting rotation as a rookie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 I would rather have Christian Wilkins over Ed Oliver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 I think a new poll should be created. Would be interesting to see who people choose now. I am Oliver then and now. Free agency might have changed some peoples minds though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 I’m all in on Oliver if they stay at 9 and he is there. IF Oliver is there it is most likely because a quarterback or two i has been picked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Williams just seems like a guy who would be ok and leave the team with a decision come his 5th year option. Oliver is a guy who could easily earn that option if he decided too. I went with Oliver. Williams has a lower ceiling and would represent a “safe” play. The Bills aren’t in position to play it safe. Swing for the fences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 19 minutes ago, Mat68 said: I think Oliver is a more impactful player. William's will be hard pressed to break the starting rotation as a rookie. ...so worry about his side line hissy fit?..........fit the "process"??...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 The abundance of free agent o-line signings suggests #9 more likely addresses a different position. I would not rule out Beane trading up or down (I'd love to get to #2 ahead of the Jets for our choice of Bosa, Quinnen Williams, or Josh Allen.) If he stays at nine, I think there's a fair chance Oliver is on the board, BPA, and the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: We have signed like 4 veteran OL......where is the room? To me it is about talent and utilization......Ed Oliver starts from DAY ONE.....you get the most reps out of him and he is the more talented player Meanwhile there is much talk about whether these top OT's should be playing at OG..... I don't think they'll be afraid of cutting one of the recent signees in camp if necessary. Other than Morse, the other contracts aren't cap killers. In any event, I hope we pick the player that best fits the culture of the team. Maybe that's Oliver idk, but if he's actually a head case I'd rather not take him even if he's the most talented player available. We went down that road with Whaley (i.e. collecting talent rather than building a team) and it got us no where. Surely there will be someone at nine (or perhaps a trade down target) who's both extremely talented and a high character person. Edited March 16, 2019 by VW82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 36 minutes ago, whorlnut said: I would rather have Christian Wilkins over Ed Oliver. As I have stated previously....Clemson players make me worry in Buffalo. Not that Wilkins couldn't be the exception to the rule. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Just now, Magnum Force said: As I have stated previously....Clemson players make me worry in Buffalo. Not that Wilkins couldn't be the exception to the rule. lol I’m worried about Oliver’s lack of size and his attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 minute ago, whorlnut said: I’m worried about Oliver’s lack of size and his attitude. Oliver isn't exactly small....but he is quick and has a high motor for an interior DL....sometimes attitude can be an asset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 On 12/29/2018 at 5:52 PM, #34fan said: If McBeane goes Ed Oliver in Round 1, I'll have concrete proof that they're boneheads. We need the top 2 OL prospects in this draft (OT, OG) ... I love me some Chris Wilkins, but this is THAT important. Right, because we have....um....WHO taking Kyle Williams' place at starting 3T again? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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