Mark92 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 20 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: The abundance of free agent o-line signings suggests #9 more likely addresses a different position. I would not rule out Beane trading up or down (I'd love to get to #2 ahead of the Jets for our choice of Bosa, Quinnen Williams, or Josh Allen.) If he stays at nine, I think there's a fair chance Oliver is on the board, BPA, and the pick. I definitely feel like if we stay at #9 it will be DL. Either DT or DE, with DT seeming like what will be available unless someone drops or we reach a little. I would take Ed Oliver all day long. He is an ideal 3 technique lineman but Houston didn't use him in that front much. He could come in and fill the void left by Williams day one. On a side note I would be interested to know who people would take if we had the #1 pick? Bosa, Williams or Allen? I would take Bosa hands down. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 minute ago, Mark92 said: I definitely feel like if we stay at #9 it will be DL. Either DT or DE, with DT seeming like what will be available unless someone drops or we reach a little. I would take Ed Oliver all day long. He is an ideal 3 technique lineman but Houston didn't use him in that front much. He could come in and fill the void left by Williams day one. On a side note I would be interested to know who people would take if we had the #1 pick? Bosa, Williams or Allen? I would take Bosa hands down. Quinnen Williams and I wouldn’t think twice. That guy is a wrecking ball and is nasty. Fills a huge void left by Kyle too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, Logic said: Right, because we have....um....WHO taking Kyle Williams' place at starting 3T again? So you like Ed Oliver as a 3T DT in the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 I’ll take Christian Wilkins or Brian Burns over either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 35 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...so worry about his side line hissy fit?..........fit the "process"??...... I think that was over blown. They need dudes. They have a strong enough culture in place to handle some personalities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 A fan base evenly divided.....right down the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, #34fan said: So you like Ed Oliver as a 3T DT in the NFL? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Logic said: Right, because we have....um....WHO taking Kyle Williams' place at starting 3T again? I just think this is the wrong way of looking at it. HR 101: selecting the wrong person is much more damaging to an organization than failing to select the right person. I have no idea whether Oliver is a head case or not, but if he is (and even if he's clearly the most talented) then he shouldn't be taken. We'd be better off signing a scrub 3T on a one year and trying again next year to fill the whole than burning a top 10 pick on a guy who might hurt team culture for years to come. Edit: I guess 34fan was speaking more to team need than culture, and you were just responding to that but my point stands. Edited March 16, 2019 by VW82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 minute ago, VW82 said: I just think this is the wrong way of looking at it. HR 101: selecting the wrong person is much more damaging to an organization than failing to select the right person. I have no idea whether Oliver is a head case or not, but if he is (and even if he's clearly the most talented) then he shouldn't be taken. We'd be better off signing a scrub 3T on a one year and trying again next year to fill the whole than burning a top 10 pick on a guy who might hurt team culture. Could someone fill me on what Oliver has done that is SO BAD that he fits the description of what you are envisioning? Is he beating up women? In trouble with the law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, VW82 said: I just think this is the wrong way of looking at it. HR 101: selecting the wrong person is much more damaging to an organization than failing to select the right person. I have no idea whether Oliver is a head case or not, but if he is (and even if he's clearly the most talented) then he shouldn't be taken. We'd be better off signing a scrub 3T on a one year and trying again next year to fill the whole than burning a top 10 pick on a guy who might hurt team culture for years to come. I just don't buy the one sideline incident with his coach as evidence that he's a head case. There are zero other incidents or evidence pointing to that conclusion. That being said, I'm not even necessarily advocating for Oliver specifically. My comment was more a response to #34fan, who stated that selecting Oliver would make McBeane "boneheads". My point is that the Bills, as it stands right now, have no starting 3T. As such, selecting one in the draft would certainly not be a boneheaded move. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: Could someone fill me on what Oliver has done that is SO BAD that he fits the description of what you are envisioning? Is he beating up women? In trouble with the law? I think the questions have been more about him having a bad attitude which if true is enough of a reason to stay away. Guys like that can eat away at the culture from the inside, especially if they're high picks with a big contract. Here's an exert from an SI piece back in Nov: Houston DT Ed Oliver’s run-in with coach Major Applewhite wouldn’t be a big deal if Oliver didn’t already carry a bit of rep in this regard. According to scouts, Oliver has been widely seen as high-maintenance, and as a guy who’s gotten things his way a lot (his high school defensive coordinator, A.J. Blum, was hired as his position coach two years ago) since arriving on campus as the first five-star recruit in program history. https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/11/19/2019-draft-ed-oliver-attitude-character-houston-will-grier-chip-kelly-brian-kelly-trevor-lawrence 6 minutes ago, Logic said: I just don't buy the one sideline incident with his coach as evidence that he's a head case. There are zero other incidents or evidence pointing to that conclusion. That being said, I'm not even necessarily advocating for Oliver specifically. My comment was more a response to #34fan, who stated that selecting Oliver would make McBeane "boneheads". My point is that the Bills, as it stands right now, have no starting 3T. As such, selecting one in the draft would certainly not be a boneheaded move. Yeah I went back and looked at it and edited my post to reflect that. There's been some other chatter about Oliver's attitude issues outside of that sideline run in. I don't know that it's true but definitely something McBeane needs to flush out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 11 minutes ago, Logic said: Yes. An you'd pull the trigger on him at 9, essentially declaring him the new Aaron Donald? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Jonah Williams move to guard. Dawkins Williams Morse teller ty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 25 minutes ago, VW82 said: I think the questions have been more about him having a bad attitude which if true is enough of a reason to stay away. Guys like that can eat away at the culture from the inside, especially if they're high picks with a big contract. Here's an exert from an SI piece back in Nov: Houston DT Ed Oliver’s run-in with coach Major Applewhite wouldn’t be a big deal if Oliver didn’t already carry a bit of rep in this regard. According to scouts, Oliver has been widely seen as high-maintenance, and as a guy who’s gotten things his way a lot (his high school defensive coordinator, A.J. Blum, was hired as his position coach two years ago) since arriving on campus as the first five-star recruit in program history. https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/11/19/2019-draft-ed-oliver-attitude-character-houston-will-grier-chip-kelly-brian-kelly-trevor-lawrence Yeah I went back and looked at it and edited my post to reflect that. There's been some other chatter about Oliver's attitude issues outside of that sideline run in. I don't know that it's true but definitely something McBeane needs to flush out. Exactly. Fact is Oliver is not a process guy. Christian Wilkins is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 I wonder if neither guy is a target. Oliver possibly not a process guy and if you look at the monsters we've signed for tackle they are all 6 '6 or taller. Jonah is 6 '3 and probably better suited for guard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VW82 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 (edited) Further to my points above, I would rather find out the guy I'm planning to take has a bit of a rap sheet than that privately he's a bit of a dick. Obviously you don't want someone who's committed serious crimes (or any crimes) but there have been too many studies done on work place environments and the far reaching negative impact of introducing people with chronic attitude problems for it to be worth the risk, regardless of how talented the individual might be. Again, I don't know that Oliver is a dick. I know that it's been reported that he can be difficult. It'll be up to McBeane to figure out how much truth there is to that assuming they do in fact like him as a player. Edited March 16, 2019 by VW82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: We have signed like 4 veteran OL......where is the room? To me it is about talent and utilization......Ed Oliver starts from DAY ONE.....you get the most reps out of him and he is the more talented player Yah, I just don't see a replacement to KW in EO... -And I wasn't the greatest KW fan... You could put KW in so many different alignments... 3, 4, 5T,... He brought the wood all day... Quick as hell on that first step. -Especially in his Younger days.... -Then there's the AAC (formerly C-USA) thing... Not exactly top tier competition for Oliver.... He's clearly got something... But at #9 he's gotta be THE guy coming in as 3T DT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Ed Oliver is generally regarded as more of a difference make at DT than Jonah Williams is at tackle/guard. Williams is regarded as the most technically proficient tackle in the draft, but he doesn't have outstanding physical or athletic traits. Add to this the fact that Buffalo has massively upgraded their offensive line with now free agents, while not signing a single defensive lineman indicates to me that the choice between J Williams and Ed Oliver is close to a no brainer. Don't completely rule out an edge rusher, WR or TE though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Taylor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark92 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 Ed Oliver was NOT used correctly at the University of Houston. They almost never used him as a 3 Tech lineman which is his strong suit. I will admit that you probably can't move him around and get the same production out of him. McDermotts defense requires a 3 tech, if we draft him we won't need to worry about that position until his rookie contract is up. He's that good at that position. No he's not Kyle Williams but he would plug a big hole up front for McDermott at a low cost for 4/5 years at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted March 17, 2019 Author Share Posted March 17, 2019 FWIW this thread started at 62/38 in favour of Jonah Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Mark92 said: Ed Oliver was NOT used correctly at the University of Houston. They almost never used him as a 3 Tech lineman which is his strong suit. I will admit that you probably can't move him around and get the same production out of him. McDermotts defense requires a 3 tech, if we draft him we won't need to worry about that position until his rookie contract is up. He's that good at that position. No he's not Kyle Williams but he would plug a big hole up front for McDermott at a low cost for 4/5 years at least. This is just crazy We did not know KYLE WILLIAMS was KYLE WILLIAMS when we drafted him....he was a 5th round pick Just give me another guy later that has this kind of potential to give up the middle pass rush at the 3 tech and I will be on board whoever the naysayers want to pick Is he Aaron Donald? We dont know.....and Aaron Donald does not play the nose either because it makes no sense to utilize him that way 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 I picked Williams even if he will be a guard in the NFL, not a tackle. He will likely be a great guard, however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Oliver. No question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark92 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: This is just crazy We did not know KYLE WILLIAMS was KYLE WILLIAMS when we drafted him....he was a 5th round pick Just give me another guy later that has this kind of potential to give up the middle pass rush at the 3 tech and I will be on board whoever the naysayers want to pick Is he Aaron Donald? We dont know.....and Aaron Donald does not play the nose either because it makes no sense to utilize him that way Yup. I think Ed Oliver is an obvious fit if we stay at #9. Beane and McDermott will litterly run the card up themselves if he is still on the board and we own the pick. DE and DT look like needs. Bosa and Allen are the best DE's and Williams and Oliver are the best DT's. Specifically a 3 tech DT is the need which Oliver is. It looks like he will go between picks 7-15. So not reaching for a player that not only fits a hole but will make that hole a strength, count me in. Edited March 17, 2019 by Mark92 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Honestly I'm not crazy about either...Not that they are not good players...But there are so many guys I like in the first it's hard for me to imagine the Bills would end up with either of them... I guess if I had to choose I would choose Williams over Oliver...Definitely the safer pick... I really doubt either will be the Bills choice...But we'll see...? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 I have a hankering for the LT from ‘bama’ - but, no matter what Beane does, I don’t think I’ll be disappointed on draft day. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 I want a player who will help protect Josh Allen for years. The same kind of protection NE gave Brady for 17 years. Oliver probably is the so called BPA, but Jonah's job is to help protect the future of the Bills. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMode54 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 I struggle with who I'd want to pick here constantly. And it's always between these two. I can't decide... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninChicago Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Wow this poll has taken a dramatic turn! Oliver is in the lead! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
947 Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 I'm really surpised that Williams is getting any votes. Hmmm, an uber stud penetrating DT, or a "pretty good" OL prospect who will have to change positions to OG? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Oliver at 9, or Williams in a trade down and move to Guard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Id be happy either way, but I really like Oliver. 16 hours ago, Mark92 said: Yup. I think Ed Oliver is an obvious fit if we stay at #9. Beane and McDermott will litterly run the card up themselves if he is still on the board and we own the pick. DE and DT look like needs. Bosa and Allen are the best DE's and Williams and Oliver are the best DT's. Specifically a 3 tech DT is the need which Oliver is. It looks like he will go between picks 7-15. So not reaching for a player that not only fits a hole but will make that hole a strength, count me in. I wouldnt call them needs but they are definitely upgradable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 13 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: I want a player who will help protect Josh Allen for years. The same kind of protection NE gave Brady for 17 years. Oliver probably is the so called BPA, but Jonah's job is to help protect the future of the Bills. Oh so you want a patch work Oline made to work by a master OL Guru, the ultimate game manager and the GOAT coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cripple Creek Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 White Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 Easy choice, Oliver. He's a much better prospect at his position than any of the OL in this draft. This guy could be ripping up the middle for us for years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 I think Oliver is an instant success in McDermott's D. If Oliver and Williams are both there at 9, it's Oliver in a landslide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark92 Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 8 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said: Id be happy either way, but I really like Oliver. I wouldnt call them needs but they are definitely upgradable. After next season we will have no pass rushers under contract. We need a pass Rusher or two for the future. We also just lost a pro bowl DT. I would say if we don't do something now at those positions it's going to be a scramble next off-season to get some. Beane likes to be ahead of the curve so I would expect a DT and probably and edge rusher somewhere in the draft. 10 hours ago, Leonhart2017 said: Wow this poll has taken a dramatic turn! Oliver is in the lead! ? This poll started last fall ?. Back then our O line was God awful and Williams was a top 5 prospect. Things change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakin Posted March 18, 2019 Author Share Posted March 18, 2019 I’ve been a large Jonah Williams fan for some time .... and I haven’t voted in this poll I started yet. But at this time I would vote Oliver. For one big reason - I don’t think Jonah will be our starting LT come day one and I don’t want to spend a top 10 pick on an RT. I think we can get a solid RT on day 2. Oliver was a consensus top 3 pick before his jacket issue and I think he can be a game changer at the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Mark92 said: This poll started last fall ?. Back then our O line was God awful and Williams was a top 5 prospect. Things change. I didn't realize that. I thought wow this is really close....a couple of days ago it was almost dead even. This one is pretty easy for me especially with the moves in FA. Edited March 18, 2019 by Magnum Force Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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