Buffalo picked the right Josh

[Alphadawg7]

8 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

 

Draft analysts? You mean media guys or TBD members? Because as far as I recall, at the time when Bills were on the clock there were like 40+ posts in draft thread screaming ROSEN and maybe two people (Nihilirian and somebody else) were saying Allen. There was like 90%+ consensus to pick Rosen on this board...

 

I had no idea since I don't want college but I am happy we picked Allen. And if he is who he seems to be, then Beane is a genius no matter how many mistakes he otherwise makes.

 

I had Mayfield as top QB and Allen as second best QB prospect of draft night.  So I was one of the ones calling for Allen to be the pick and wanted nothing to do with Rosen on draft night as I felt he had the highest bust potential.  

 

I also was one of the few around here who did not want to cut Foster in preseason and kept saying he had potential and that he would make the roster.  

 

So its been fun seeing both of them start to shine together!  

[tumaro02]

2 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

He has been better than I thought he'd be, he's showing potential. Better than I thought. That said, it's not saying much. That stat line and 14 points vs a bad team isn't proving much at all to me. I hope he ends up the best, because he's a Bill.

As I said Allen haters will hate. You are one. Does the stat line show his leadership skills or doesn't that fit your narrative? Does it show a 4th quarter comeback win or doesn't that fit your narrative? Does it show Allen 1 Stafford 0 or doesn't that fit your narrative? You love the box score because you think it helps your sad narrative. Does WIN count or doesn't that fit your narrative? Like I said haters will hate for no other reason than their guy didn't get drafted.

[Inigo Montoya]

If you watched the game today and didn't see a strong passing game from Allen, I just don't know what to say.  The completion percentage is meaningless without context. There were drops as usual, passes thrown away that should have been thrown away, and even the passes that were simply incomplete the majority of them were accurate passes that the DB simply made a play on. 

 

I remember thinking as I was watching the replay of the Foster touchdown that Allen looked great standing tall in the pocket, a pocket which actually held up for him and allowed him to step into his throw and not throw it on the run and off balance for a change.  If we can get an O-Line in front of him and give him a pocket to sit in he is going to tear this league up. 

 

This was by far Allen's best passing performance yet.  The completion percentage doesn't tell the story today.

 

 

 

[ALF]

Just amazing how hard he can throw. Have to find receivers who can catch that kind of pass.

[NFLBighits]

5 hours ago, tumaro02 said:

We did get the right Josh despite all the national media and TBD forum haters. I am very happy to see the haters becoming increasingly silent on this forum as they begrudgingly acknowledge their error or slither into the darkness of no posts on this subject while eating their crow. It was getting tedious just reading their hate. But then haters, blinded by their hatred will always hate especially if they were disciples of Rosen, Darnold, or Mayfield.

This could be the best qb class in a long time but I'm going out on a limb and saying all three not counting Rosen will be real good! 

[Mountain Man]

12 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

Rosen looks really bad this year. I have to say worst of the worst QB of the bunch right now.

Any QB in the league would look bad in that team. Rosen has zero chance to succeed in that situation.

 

Let's wait and see before we pass judgement

[Pbomb]

Didn’t someone working at wgr quit cause they drafted Allen over Rosen

[CSBill]

13 hours ago, Azucho98 said:

To all the draft analysts out there that said the Bills made a mistake - eat crow.  We picked the right Josh.  

 

easy call, I think we did

Edited December 17, 2018 by CSBill

[Artem Lipatov]

I wanted Allen more than other QBs before draft. I don't watch college footbal, but I watched his highlights on Youtube, his passes 60yrds by air, his throws on running for 40 yds. and so on. Of course he had flaws, every  pre-draft specialiist talked about his inaccuracy. But I wanted him. He is spectacular.  And he is tough guy. Rosen is soft boy. It was seen by face and body language.  

[WideRightRevenge]

14 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I am happy with how Josh Allen looks and I was very pleased with him today. 

 

But Josh Rosen is on the biggest mess of a franchise in the NFL with very little talent and a coach a million miles out of his depth. And he has played well in parts. Way too early to write him off. 

 

Gunner ... respected many of your points in the past .. but on this one ... I'm hard pressed to concur that Rosen has less talent than our Josh.

 

Granted running on fumes but Larry Fitz, Christian Kirk, and David Johnson .. Ricky Seals Jones ... may all start on our squad .. now their OL .. yep that's bad

[eball]

14 hours ago, Jasovon said:

I had Rosen as my top guy and Allen as my second. Rosen looks awful, yes he has no talent around him but Allen makes guys around him better.

 

David Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald said hi.

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, WideRightRevenge said:

 

Gunner ... respected many of your points in the past .. but on this one ... I'm hard pressed to concur that Rosen has less talent than our Josh.

 

Granted running on fumes but Larry Fitz, Christian Kirk, and David Johnson .. Ricky Seals Jones ... may all start on our squad .. now their OL .. yep that's bad

 

David Johnson would start here and be our best running back, certainly. Fitz would be a starter here for his leadership alone but he is done. Kirk has had a Zay Jones like season. Some nice games and lots of drops and Seals Jones sucks. 

 

Add to that he doesn't have a defense to keep games close and allow them to stay even a little bit balanced and he has absolutely horrific coaching. 

 

Actually to me the coaching is the main issue. If they keep Wilkes I doubt much improves at all in 2019. 

 

And while I agree Josh Allen is playing better and doing more with bad talent around him his mobility is a big factor in that. My point is not to argue that Allen isn't outperforming Rosen in similarly difficult circumstances - it is simply that people wanting to write Rosen off as a bust given what he is facing are horribly premature. Remember Sam Bradford who has been a middle of the road Quarterback his whole career also looked bottom of the league, unspeakably bad for 'Zona this year. It is just a mess there. 

[Mountain Man]

35 minutes ago, eball said:

 

David Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald said hi.

Larry Fitzgerald at this point in his career wouldn't even get regular snaps with the Bills WR group

[Big Gun]

4 hours ago, Pbomb said:

Didn’t someone working at wgr quit cause they drafted Allen over Rosen

yup, pretty dumb huh!

 

you just can't fix stupid!

[corta765]

This post lacks an incredible amount of insight and analysis.

 

Rosen is playing with four OL out for the year in a system that does not take advantage of Rosen's greatest strengths. His top young WR who he had built chemistry with (Christian Kirk) is out for the season with injury. The Cardinals defense is near the bottom 3rd in the league, the Bills is second overall total yardage. Just about everything that could set a QB up for failure is present for Rosen. For as bad as the Bills offense has been, Arizona is 700 yards worse.

 

Rosen certainly has his issues, but no QB is going to succeed in that environment and with the beating he has taken I would argue he already is behind in progress because that enforces bad habits which are hard to break. Say what you want about Beane and McD, but they smartly hired an OC who is trying to maxmize Allen's best qualities and give him time despite a pours O-Line. It took Beane some time but Foster and McKenzie have helped to give the offense some speed which Allen needed to progress. Rosen has none of that support outside of a good leader in Larry Fitzgerald who teams can double and that is that.

 

I know fans hate hearing that situation matters for QB tremendously in determining their success but it is the truth. Their HC Wilks as it was is a defensive guy and he hired a retread OC in McCoy which expect-idly blew up in his face. If I was the AZ GM/HC I would've hired a progressive OC mind who would have used a West Coast style system that maximized Rosen's accuracy and quick decision making. If they keep Wilks I think Rosen is destined to fail. The Cardinals face a filled buyers market with far better situations for WR and OL FA's to sign with including Buffalo. They need to find an incredibly hot and progressive name to save this ship before the kid is killed.

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

10 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said:

 

What do go by name recognition only? Fitzgerald is a HOF receiver he’s also old as dirt for a football player. And again no back, not even david johnson can do **** with that line in front of him. Please man. And Kirk aint that good. He’s dropping balls like Zay.

 

Are you saying Larry Fitzgerald isn't better than the WR we have on our roster? Johnson can't do ***** behind the Cards OL? He has 843 yards rushing, 7 TD, 408 catches for another 2 TD. Chrisitan Kirk was the leading WR for the Cards before being injured and being lost for the season, saying he ain't that good as a rookie had 43 rec, 590 yards and 3 TD, Saying "He aint that good" seems like you do zero research.

[WhyteDwarf]

I wasn't happy with the draft, I wanted Darnold.  I was pissed when the Jets traded up past the Bills.

 

Rosen has always looked like a "point the finger at someone else" kinda guy.

[BuffaLoko]

19 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said:

 

I am glad Allen looks good too, but given any time Allen has a game in which he struggles, we all rush to excuse it with things like “he’s a rookie” and “he has no help” and “the line sucks” don’t you find making a thread like this a little...inconsistent? Isn’t the other guy in a very similar situation? Their offensive line may be even worse than ours. Just asking. If you’re drunk and want to dab on all the imaginary Allen “haters” then go ahead.

That is because they are in very similar situations talent wise, and coincidently thrown out to the wolves without a veteran QB around (unless you consider Bradford a good veteran by any measure), so the comparison is fair, with a ¨so far¨ qualifier to it...

Edited December 17, 2018 by BuffaLoko

[Albany,n.y.]

1 minute ago, WhyteDwarf said:

I wasn't happy with the draft, I wanted Darnold.  I was pissed when the Jets traded up past the Bills.

 

Rosen has always looked like a "point the finger at someone else" kinda guy.

If the Bills had Darnold rated higher than Allen, we'll never know.  It's pretty obvious the Bills had Allen rated no worse than #2 on their QB board.  From Beane's pre-draft talk, he was not interested in Mayfield due to his size & chose Allen over Rosen, so we know Rosen was behind Allen on the Bills board.

 

The Jets guaranteed themselves no worse than their 3rd rated QB, while the Bills could have been left hanging if the Giants had taken a QB at 2 instead of Barkley.  I thought the Jets outmaneuvered the Bills getting the jump on them by trading up to 3.  The problem the Bills had was that Indy wanted Nelson & didn't want to drop to 12, so the Jets at 6 had a huge edge in any trade talks.  

[CincyBillsFan]

6 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

If you watched the game today and didn't see a strong passing game from Allen, I just don't know what to say.  The completion percentage is meaningless without context. There were drops as usual, passes thrown away that should have been thrown away, and even the passes that were simply incomplete the majority of them were accurate passes that the DB simply made a play on. 

 

I remember thinking as I was watching the replay of the Foster touchdown that Allen looked great standing tall in the pocket, a pocket which actually held up for him and allowed him to step into his throw and not throw it on the run and off balance for a change.  If we can get an O-Line in front of him and give him a pocket to sit in he is going to tear this league up. 

 

This was by far Allen's best passing performance yet.  The completion percentage doesn't tell the story today.

 

 

 

 

This is absolutely the correct take-away from yesterday's game.  Those of us happy about Allen's passing performance are not looking at the stats but looking at the context in which Allen threw the ball.  Watching him stand tall in the pocket, scan the field and make mostly accurate throws downfield answered an important question about his development.  For me a couple of key questions were answered:

 

*  He can execute the short passing game.  He was 8/10 out of the gate.

 

*  He can stand in the pocket and when given time pick a defense apart.  He doesn't require "chaos" all around him to make a big throw downfield - he can calmly do it from the pocket in the old fashioned way. 

 

 

[SCBills]

18 minutes ago, WhyteDwarf said:

I wasn't happy with the draft, I wanted Darnold.  I was pissed when the Jets traded up past the Bills.

 

Rosen has always looked like a "point the finger at someone else" kinda guy.

 

Would you still rather have Darnold?  Not being antagonistic, im truly interested.   I think both Allen and Darnold have flashed a ton of potential, especially when you look at the talent they are surrounded with. 

 

I'd take Allen over Darnold (and Baker) tbh.  Allen has shown his floor isn't as low as some worried and his potential is legitimately "best QB in the NFL" level potential..  I don't think Darnold has that potential, even though I think he'll be a good one. 

 

This QB class looks like it could be one of the great ones if Allen/Baker/Darnold keep progressing.  Rosen, id be worried about if I was Arizona, and I'm not sure what to make of Lamar Jackson, but if he can stay healthy, more power to him.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

18 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Dude this is 4 weeks too late. Nobody's brought up Rosen as the better pick in forever.

 

I don't want to measure Allen by how much a bust Rosen might look. By this point I just want the right Josh to be good by the right Josh's standards.

That fact of nobody having brought up Rosen as the better pick in some time is noteworthy in and of itself though, right? Wasn't he the most "pro-ready" of the entire class? Shows just how much any of us could get up there and spout hot air before the draft also, and have just as much chance of being right, as the gifted analysts who are paid handsomely to do so...

[Jay_Fixit]

18 hours ago, Jasovon said:

I had Rosen as my top guy and Allen as my second. Rosen looks awful, yes he has no talent around him but Allen makes guys around him better.

Save for his patchwork o-line (that might even be a draw) Rosen has more talent around him.

 

I wish Allen had a Larry Fitzgerald and David Johnson.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, corta765 said:

If they keep Wilks I think Rosen is destined to fail. The Cardinals face a filled buyers market with far better situations for WR and OL FA's to sign with including Buffalo. They need to find an incredibly hot and progressive name to save this ship before the kid is killed.

 

Sadly I agree and sadly I expect they will at least start 2019 with Wilkes as Head Coach. He is totally, utterly, inescapably, out of his depth. He should be fired.

[WhyteDwarf]

10 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

Would you still rather have Darnold?  Not being antagonistic, im truly interested.   I think both Allen and Darnold have flashed a ton of potential, especially when you look at the talent they are surrounded with. 

 

I'd take Allen over Darnold (and Baker) tbh.  Allen has shown his floor isn't as low as some worried and his potential is legitimately "best QB in the NFL" level potential..  I don't think Darnold has that potential, even though I think he'll be a good one. 

 

This QB class looks like it could be one of the great ones if Allen/Baker/Darnold keep progressing.  Rosen, id be worried about if I was Arizona, and I'm not sure what to make of Lamar Jackson, but if he can stay healthy, more power to him.

 

I think we were both fooled and Mayfield was the right pick.  Browns actually picked the right guy this time, wow.  I just don't see how Allen has "best QB in the NFL potential" with his completion percentage.

 

I'm not sure as far as picking between Darnold and Allen at this point, neither has done enough to distance themselves from one the other.

Edited December 17, 2018 by WhyteDwarf

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Sadly I agree and sadly I expect they will at least start 2019 with Wilkes as Head Coach. He is totally, utterly, inescapably, out of his depth. He should be fired.

 

I can almost hear the violins playing.

 

I shed no tears over Josh Rosen.

 

[BringBackOrton]

9 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

I can almost hear the violins playing.

 

I shed no tears over Josh Rosen.

 

We should have drafted Nick Mullens. He’s the best or second best rookie QB.

[SCBills]

13 minutes ago, WhyteDwarf said:

 

I think we were both fooled and Mayfield was the right pick.  Browns actually picked the right guy this time, wow.  I just don't see how Allen has "best QB in the NFL potential" with his completion percentage.

 

I'm not sure as far as picking between Darnold and Allen at this point, neither has done enough to distance themselves from one another.

 

I get the whole "completion percentage" thing, but that can easily be fixed by A) WR's catching passes they should catch and B) Allen learning to check down. 

 

Maybe he won't always be pinpoint in his accuracy but his arm talent and running ability more than makes up for that, imo. 

 

Baker is legit, but I'd like to see Allen & Darnold with weapons too.

 

Edited December 17, 2018 by SCBills

[Bing Bong]

37 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

That fact of nobody having brought up Rosen as the better pick in some time is noteworthy in and of itself though, right? Wasn't he the most "pro-ready" of the entire class? Shows just how much any of us could get up there and spout hot air before the draft also, and have just as much chance of being right, as the gifted analysts who are paid handsomely to do so...

Everybody keeps replying to my post saying "but that's kind of the point isn't it? Allen is better than Rosen and proved draft pundits wrong etc. etc. etc."

 

Yes! That is the point! That's why I posted it. I haven't cared about Rosen in a long time. It's nice that he's looking better than the other option we could have picked but I guess I'm not one to want to revisit the draft for the umpteenth time. Post Rosen boxscores every game etc. I thought it was apparent we got the right Josh and have mostly been on the same page with that for a LONG TIME. There's still room for improvement, the draft doesn't matter anymore (but we looked like we nailed it), Rosen sucking right now has no bearing on Allen improving. 

 

Then again I was never vested in the QB picks since I didn't know anything about the guys, other than liking Baker, in the first place. I just let it roll. Hardly participated in the nasty fights it seems like we got into post draft. So I'm not one to revisit draft disappointment or excitement because I was ambivalent until the rooks took the field:

 

Rosen is sucking so bad that Allen could be a lot worse and we'd still have the "right Josh". That's sort of my point. I don't want the bar to be as low as the (what looks like to be a) bust in Rosen we didn't pick.

Edited December 17, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[BarleyNY]

46 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

 

Are you saying Larry Fitzgerald isn't better than the WR we have on our roster? Johnson can't do ***** behind the Cards OL? He has 843 yards rushing, 7 TD, 408 catches for another 2 TD. Chrisitan Kirk was the leading WR for the Cards before being injured and being lost for the season, saying he ain't that good as a rookie had 43 rec, 590 yards and 3 TD, Saying "He aint that good" seems like you do zero research.

 

The Cards are last in the NFL in total rushing yards and YPC.  Larry Fitzgerald is 35.  The Cards have had a ton of injuries on their OL as well. Seems like your research wasn’t quite complete either.  I’m not getting into the Josh v. Josh thing right now because I haven’t watched Rosen and it’s pointless anyway.

 

Allen has impressed me with his athleticism and running ability as well as occasionally as a passer.  He’s been lacking as a pocket QB and passer too often though. He’s young and very raw so that’s not a surprise.  The potential certainly is there but he’s going to have to prove himself before I anoint him a FQB.  That’s going to take time (if it happens at all) so I’m not getting ahead of that process.  Also I’m not going to compare the two Joshs unless we’re talking about the Bills’ decision making.  Rosen really doesn’t matter at all where rating Allen is concerned except in that context.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2018/

[NoHuddleKelly12]

4 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Everybody keeps replying to my post saying "but that's kind of the point isn't it? Allen is better than Rosen and proved draft pundits wrong etc. etc. etc."

 

Yes! That is the point! That's why I posted it. I haven't cared about Rosen in a long time. It's nice that he's looking better than the other option we could have picked but I guess I'm not one to want to revisit the draft for the umpteenth time. Post Rosen boxscores every game etc. I thought it was apparent we got the right Josh and have mostly been on the same page with that for a LONG TIME. There's still room for improvement, the draft doesn't matter anymore (but we looked like we nailed it), Rosen sucking right now has no bearing on Allen improving. 

 

Then again I was never vested in the QB picks since I didn't know anything about the guys, other than liking Baker, in the first place. I just let it roll. Hardly participated in the nasty fights it seems like we got into post draft. So I'm not one to revisit draft disappointment or excitement because I was ambivalent until the rooks took the field:

 

Rosen is sucking so bad that Allen could be a lot worse and we'd still have the "right Josh". That's sort of my point. I don't want the bar to be as low as the (what looks like to be a) bust in Rosen we didn't pick.

Well said...but in other news while we're on the topic of letting negative things go, when is your current avatar title going to die a natural (or unnatural for that matter) death? Who wants to be continually reminded about that game almost 2 seasons ago now, and IIRC, you were thinking of doing that anyway if the Bills beat the Vikes earlier this year!  But do your thing man, I aint hating or anything, lol 

[BuffaloHokie13]

8 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

We should have drafted Nick Mullens. He’s the best or second best rookie QB.

Not a rookie though.

[CincyBillsFan]

The continued obsession with Allen's completion percentage appears to be the last refuge of the anti-Allen brigade.  Though I've noted that it's subtly changed from "Allen is inaccurate" to "Allen's completion % is still at 50%".   Because anyone watching the games since he came back from injury show that Allen is clearly accurate enough on his throws. 

 

It's fair to say that those of us who had some concern about Allen's accuracy in making ALL of the NFL throws are resting easier now because he has demonstrated that he can make all the throws.  The issue now is how do we get to the point where the OFFENSE regularly completes 60% of its passes?  Now some of this is on Allen who as a rookie is still not entirely comfortable with taking the easy 6 yard pass play when there's a more difficult 15 yard completion to make.  But this will come with game reps and we've already seen signs that Allen is learning the value of "cheap passing" yards.  Once we have a couple more threats that can turn 5 yard dump offs into 20 yard gains I suspect he'll throw even more of these passes and you'll quickly see his % completion jump up to 60 - 65%!

 

But the key point here is that the 50% completion "issue" is no longer only Allen's problem.  It is a team offensive problem that can be fixed with a couple of upgrades on the line and in the skill positions.  The QB is no longer the main problem here. 

 

 

[dave mcbride]

29 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Sadly I agree and sadly I expect they will at least start 2019 with Wilkes as Head Coach. He is totally, utterly, inescapably, out of his depth. He should be fired.

"With 7:04 left in a game few people were paying attention to on Sunday, the Cardinals pulled struggling rookie Josh Rosen in favor of veteran journeyman Mike Glennon. At that point the Falcons had outscored the Cardinals 40-7, outgained them 428-148 and outclassed them in every way. And as you might expect, that’ll lead to bigger questions in Arizona over the next two weeks. Here’s what I know: Arizona has looked ahead already to making changes to the offensive staff to try to spark Rosen’s development, in a way that neither coordinator Byron Leftwich nor his predecessor, Mike McCoy, could. Here’s what I think: Based on the churn of the NFL rumor mill, changes might include the head coach, Steve Wilks. Sending a coach packing after a single year is tough. But seven of the Cardinals’ 11 losses have come by double-digits, and a garbage-time touchdown drive engineered by Glennon was the only thing that saved Arizona from suffering its fourth 30-point loss of the year."

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/12/17/nfl-playoff-scenarios-browns-baker-mayfield-ravens-lamar-jackson-eagles-nick-foles-steelers-patriots

 

[SCBills]

6 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

The continued obsession with Allen's completion percentage appears to be the last refuge of the anti-Allen brigade.  Though I've noted that it's subtly changed from "Allen is inaccurate" to "Allen's completion % is still at 50%".   Because anyone watching the games since he came back from injury show that Allen is clearly accurate enough on his throws. 

 

It's fair to say that those of us who had some concern about Allen's accuracy in making ALL of the NFL throws are resting easier now because he has demonstrated that he can make all the throws.  The issue now is how do we get to the point where the OFFENSE regularly completes 60% of its passes?  Now some of this is on Allen who as a rookie is still not entirely comfortable with taking the easy 6 yard pass play when there's a more difficult 15 yard completion to make.  But this will come with game reps and we've already seen signs that Allen is learning the value of "cheap passing" yards.  Once we have a couple more threats that can turn 5 yard dump offs into 20 yard gains I suspect he'll throw even more of these passes and you'll quickly see his % completion jump up to 60 - 65%!

 

But the key point here is that the 50% completion "issue" is no longer only Allen's problem.  It is a team offensive problem that can be fixed with a couple of upgrades on the line and in the skill positions.  The QB is no longer the main problem here. 

 

 

 

It struck me how often Goff took the check down last night - He must've had 70-80 yards passing on check downs, all easy completions.  I then thought about how Allen would probably stay looking to push the ball down field and then miss the check down window, having to scramble and/or make a tougher throw.

[Bing Bong]

17 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Well said...but in other news while we're on the topic of letting negative things go, when is your current avatar title going to die a natural (or unnatural for that matter) death? Who wants to be continually reminded about that game almost 2 seasons ago now, and IIRC, you were thinking of doing that anyway if the Bills beat the Vikes earlier this year!  But do your thing man, I aint hating or anything, lol 

lol yeah my name avatar combo of Ritchie and Peterman is just being a bummer by this point.

 

But my whole identity was to combat the Savior Peterman avatars I don't know who I am supposed to be anymore. I'm coming up with something

 

However I'm definitely voiding the Vikings game promise to change to ZimmerLostToPSBills since the premise was Vikings were sitting Dalvin Cook because he was treating us like a bye week when in fact Dalvin Cook had been legitimately injured from that game on.. and Zimmer is just dumb with his running game anyway. I AIN'T CHANGING TO THAT. I'll come up with something that's less of a bummer.

Edited December 17, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[CincyBillsFan]

7 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

It struck me how often Goff took the check down last night - He must've had 70-80 yards passing on check downs, all easy completions.  I then thought about how Allen would probably stay looking to push the ball down field and then miss the check down window, having to scramble and/or make a tougher throw.

 

Great point about last nights game and Goff.  This is typical of his game and it actually opens up his downfield strikes.  Of course given the guys he's checking the ball down to he's learned that those plays can be just as big as a laser fired 25 yards down the field.  The good news for me is that I would rather have a rookie QB who has the attitude of "screw the 5 yard pass, I want those 20 yard passes".  That's not an attitude easily taught by the time a QB reaches the NFL.  It's a lot easier to teach a young QB the value of checking down then it is to teach them to aggressively attack a secondary down the field. 

[nedboy7]

16 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

The only reason last years playoff season was in any way good was that it ended a ridiculously long 18 year playoff drought.  The fact that it took a miracle play by Andy Dalton to put the BIlls into the playoffs and then the lackluster performance by the Bills in the playoffs sort of lessened the impact if this achievement for me.  

 

After we took Allen at QB and let Tyrod go the most critical question of this season was whether Allen was the guy.  I would submit that while it's not a done deal yet he does appear to be that elusive franchise QB we've been looking for since the days of Kelly.  That's why this season is much more exciting for me then last season was. 

 

Yeah. I totally disagree.  And while I Iike Allen, the way the team was run this year is pretty awful.  

Edited December 17, 2018 by nedboy7

[BringBackOrton]

23 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Not a rookie though.

Foiled again.

[nedboy7]

16 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

 

It is interesting though that the results and stat lines, nature of games and limited offense are all pretty much similar between 2017 and 2018 QBs.

 

I guess what gets folks hyped is the assumption that things are just meant to develop greater.

 

we shall see.

 

It seems the last 15 years have created a weird dynamic about the QB for Bills fans. And people seem to think having an above avg QB means playoffs every year which clearly is not the case in the NFL.   Fans didn’t seem to enjoy last year cause the QB wasn’t “franchise”.  Allen is far from a top QB. It’s possible he gets there.