Vikings Fire OC John DeFilippo

[zow2]

I think Minnesota fans went to his house with torches and pitch-forks after last nights game.  They hated DeFilippo and were yelling for him to be fired.   I really don't think he can make guys run better, block better, pass better, etc...  But maybe his schemes sucked.  Who knows?!

[Dopey]

26 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

2017: rushing yardage through 16 games    1,957

 

2018: rushing yardage through 13 games    1,110

 

That would be an average of:

2017: 122 yds per game at 31 attempts per game

2018:   85 yds per game at 21 attempts per game

 

If my math is right.

 

They are not going to get 847 yds in the next 3-4 games at the rate they run the ball this year.

 

ESPN stats

 

2017: 527 pass attempts all season  or almost 33 pass attempts per game

 

2018:  524 pass attempts so far w 4 games left or 40 attempts per game

 

2017:   501 rush attempts. Only Jax had more rushing attempts last year.

 

2018:  274 rush attempts so far. The only team with less rushing attempts this year is Atl.

 

They have totally changed their philosophy from run heavy to pass heavy. 

 

Not sure if you agree or were giving stats to counter.

Edited December 11, 2018 by Dopey

[N.Y. Orangeman]

Love to see Flip go to Philly and knock the Vikings out of the playoffs

[PIZ]

50 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

 

What does this mean?  "continued to use Shurmur’s tactics".

 

 

[Albany,n.y.]

This offseason the Vikings were guilty of something the Bills, to a lesser extent, have been doing for years: Taking a mediocre QB drafted in one of the mid to late rounds and handing him the keys to the franchise & overpaying him.  When Cousins became a free agent there were Bills & Jets fans who were each begging their team to bring him in.  Fortunately for both teams management (or in the Jets case possibly the luck of him signing elsewhere) decided to do the right thing and bring in a highly touted rookie to build around.  We've tried what Minnesota did,  giving big money (albeit after an initial cheaper contract) to mediocre QBs like Taylor, Fitzpatrick as well as the ridiculous Rob Johnson trade & big $ signing as well as taking the option on Bledsoe when they could have dumped him sooner rather than later and it cost them big dead cap $.   

 

Minnesota dumped all their QBs from last year to bring Cousins in.  They might have been better off just re-signing Bridgewater to a similar deal that the Jets gave him prior to his trade to NO and/or paying less for Keenum to return with a deal similar to his Denver contract.  

 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

23 minutes ago, Dopey said:

That would be an average of:

2017: 122 yds per game at 31 attempts per game

2018:   85 yds per game at 21 attempts per game

 

If my math is right.

 

They are not going to get 847 yds in the next 3-4 games at the rate they run the ball this year.

 

ESPN stats

 

2017: 527 pass attempts all season  or almost 33 pass attempts per game

 

2018:  524 pass attempts so far w 4 games left or 40 attempts per game

 

2017:   501 rush attempts. Only Jax had more rushing attempts last year.

 

2018:  274 rush attempts so far. The only team with less rushing attempts this year is Atl.

 

They have totally changed their philosophy from run heavy to pass heavy. 

 

Not sure if you agree or were giving stats to counter.

 

....CERTAINLY agree....great job!........clearly illustrates a philosophical change as I think their RB personnel is essentially the same (not sure about injuries though).....

[buffaloboyinATL]

They looked like trash yesterday. Cousins cost me my Fantasy play off game too.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[RyanC883]

1 hour ago, blacklabel said:

So much for those young, innovative offensive minds, haha. I think Frank Reich probably had more to do with Wentz' monster season in 2017 given how he's completely revitalized Andrew Luck's career right now. 



 

Looking at the Vikings scores this season, it seems that when the offense is clicking and putting up points, the defense isn't clicking and they're giving up more points than their offense is scoring. And then if their defense is mostly getting the job done, the offense is non-existent.  



 

Kirk Cousins is a bit overrated, IMO. He holds the ball too long, takes a lot of sacks and fumbles way too much. Over the past few seasons he's averaged 10 or 11 fumbles per season. And he can be really inconsistent. He'll catch the hot hand and complete something like 10 of his last 12 passes and then he'll follow that up by completing 1 of his last 9 or something.

 

Cousins is vastly overrated.  With the offensive weapons he has, that offense should be scoring 30 points a game. 

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

It’s the OL. Can’t run the ball. Can’t protect the QB. But the offense isn’t really awful. They’ve lost some close games. 

 

The OL is apparently bad.  But Cousins has underwhelmed given the fantastic WR duo and TE he has.  Perhaps the OL makes running impossible, but I'd be upset as a Vikings fan to have so much money tied up in Cousins.  

[416BillsFan]

58 minutes ago, PIZ said:

 

What does this mean?  "continued to use Shurmur’s tactics".

 

 

Most likely schemes/plays.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Cheektowaga Chad]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

It’s the OL. Can’t run the ball. Can’t protect the QB. But the offense isn’t really awful. They’ve lost some close games. 

True. The oline killed them this season

 

To be honest I'm a little sour about drafting both cousins and cook in fantasy this year and does effect my opinion on this ha

[John from Riverside]

53 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

This offseason the Vikings were guilty of something the Bills, to a lesser extent, have been doing for years: Taking a mediocre QB drafted in one of the mid to late rounds and handing him the keys to the franchise & overpaying him.  When Cousins became a free agent there were Bills & Jets fans who were each begging their team to bring him in.  Fortunately for both teams management (or in the Jets case possibly the luck of him signing elsewhere) decided to do the right thing and bring in a highly touted rookie to build around.  We've tried what Minnesota did,  giving big money (albeit after an initial cheaper contract) to mediocre QBs like Taylor, Fitzpatrick as well as the ridiculous Rob Johnson trade & big $ signing as well as taking the option on Bledsoe when they could have dumped him sooner rather than later and it cost them big dead cap $.   

 

Minnesota dumped all their QBs from last year to bring Cousins in.  They might have been better off just re-signing Bridgewater to a similar deal that the Jets gave him prior to his trade to NO and/or paying less for Keenum to return with a deal similar to his Denver contract.  

 

 

Sometimes it is the move you dont make or cant make that ends up being the right one

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, blacklabel said:

So much for those young, innovative offensive minds, haha. I think Frank Reich probably had more to do with Wentz' monster season in 2017 given how he's completely revitalized Andrew Luck's career right now. 

 

Looking at the Vikings scores this season, it seems that when the offense is clicking and putting up points, the defense isn't clicking and they're giving up more points than their offense is scoring. And then if their defense is mostly getting the job done, the offense is non-existent. 

 

Kirk Cousins is a bit overrated, IMO. He holds the ball too long, takes a lot of sacks and fumbles way too much. Over the past few seasons he's averaged 10 or 11 fumbles per season. And he can be really inconsistent. He'll catch the hot hand and complete something like 10 of his last 12 passes and then he'll follow that up by completing 1 of his last 9 or something.

 

 

I don't think it's necessarily a big setback for DeFilippo........he's well regarded.    

 

Sean Payton was basically fired as Giants OC by Jim Fassel during the 2002 season and he's done alright.    

[CuddyDark]

So the defensive HC forces him to run a ***** offense and fires him for it?

[TigerJ]

31 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

Cousins is vastly overrated.  With the offensive weapons he has, that offense should be scoring 30 points a game. 

 

The OL is apparently bad.  But Cousins has underwhelmed given the fantastic WR duo and TE he has.  Perhaps the OL makes running impossible, but I'd be upset as a Vikings fan to have so much money tied up in Cousins.  

Zimmer's complaint is that the Vikings did not run the ball enough.  Maybe the Vikings are running into the same issue that Buffalo has.  The running game apart from Josh Allen is completely ineffective.  If you try to run all the time and can't, it leads to lots of three and outs.  It's tough to complete a pass on 3rd and long if you run on first and second downs and can't gain any yards.  I'm sympathetic toward DiFilllipo if that's what he's dealing with.  At least Buffalo's QB can run.  Cousins would get himself killed if he ran like Allen is doing.

[Phil The Thrill]

I think his hot reputation last year after the Super Bowl gets him another OC job.  But if not, I would take him in a heart beat as WB coach.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[TheFunPolice]

Norv Turner quit as OC in the middle of the year there a couple seasons ago

 

Makes you wonder if Zimmer cannot get along with an OC

[SoCal Deek]

I was the game against the  Vikings in September and seriously couldn’t believe all the dinking and dunking they were still doing right up to the very end of a game they were clearly losing. The Vikings fans sitting all around me were pissed!

[Starr Almighty]

2 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

Cousins is way overrated. To me he's always been a paper tiger. I've rarely ever seen him play well when it matters or in pivotal parts of games. 

Kirk Cousin Career Stats

Record In Primetime Games: 5-13?

Record vs Winning Teams: 4-24 ?

Record vs Winning Teams This Year: 0-5 ?

Career Road Record: 12-23-2 ?

Career Record On Monday Night Football: 0-7 

 

Fire John DeFilippo its clearly on him

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

20 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

Kirk Cousin Career Stats

Record In Primetime Games: 5-13?

Record vs Winning Teams: 4-24 ?

Record vs Winning Teams This Year: 0-5 ?

Career Road Record: 12-23-2 ?

Career Record On Monday Night Football: 0-7 

 

Fire John DeFilippo its clearly on him

 

....yup......and it certainly proves 84 mil guaranteed was the right number IMO..........

[HomeskillitMoorman]

47 minutes ago, Starr Almighty said:

Kirk Cousin Career Stats

Record In Primetime Games: 5-13?

Record vs Winning Teams: 4-24 ?

Record vs Winning Teams This Year: 0-5 ?

Career Road Record: 12-23-2 ?

Career Record On Monday Night Football: 0-7 

 

Fire John DeFilippo its clearly on him

 

Wow! That's even worse than I thought. 

[Misterbluesky]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

This is actually a guy I would very much like to see brought in as our QB coach.

 

 

You really want to make that change when Josh said he feels comfortable with the staff ? The kid is under enough pressure because he's playing with very limited talent...he's going to have a fresh set of flankers to get adapted too for example,that's a big project to deal with alone...he sure doesn't need a coaching change at the very young point in his career.jmho

[LSHMEAB]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

I was the game against the  Vikings in September and seriously couldn’t believe all the dinking and dunking they were still doing right up to the very end of a game they were clearly losing. The Vikings fans sitting all around me were pissed!

My hunch is that was more Kirk padding those stats than Flip calling short passing plays.

 

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, Starr Almighty said:

Kirk Cousin Career Stats

The only change I might suggest:

Replace ? with ?.

Conveys his flaws that much more.  ?

[BuffaloHokie13]

4 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Maybe he heads back to the Eagles for the rest of the year. 

Or Indy with Reich

[blacklabel]

2 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

The OL is apparently bad.  But Cousins has underwhelmed given the fantastic WR duo and TE he has.  Perhaps the OL makes running impossible, but I'd be upset as a Vikings fan to have so much money tied up in Cousins.  

 

Booger McFarland would not stop bringing up, "Eighty-fo' million guaranteed, he ain't worf it!" It was like, good gravy man, we get it, the Vikings paid a ton for a dude they believe s their franchise QB. Sounds like the OL issues are a big problem but there have been plenty of instances where I've seen Cousins with time and he just sits back there and then scrambles a bit before throwing it away or getting hit and fumbling. With guys like Diggs, Thielen, Treadwell, Rudolph, Cook, they should be putting up points but it's just not happening. 

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I don't think it's necessarily a big setback for DeFilippo........he's well regarded.    

 

Sean Payton was basically fired as Giants OC by Jim Fassel during the 2002 season and he's done alright.    

 

I think DeFilippo got a lot of credit for Frank Reich's work. This is his 2nd shot as an OC and he sucked in Cleveland too. Not to say he is finished.... but I would not be rushing to hire him as a Head Coach based on what he has shown at this stage. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think DeFilippo got a lot of credit for Frank Reich's work. This is his 2nd shot as an OC and he sucked in Cleveland too. Not to say he is finished.... but I would not be rushing to hire him as a Head Coach based on what he has shown at this stage. 

 

...uh oh....our OC was in the same position as Cleveland OC 2009-2010......gotta be the water.............

[frostbitmic]

We can hire him as our next OC after Daboll gets the Packers HC gig.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[BADOLBILZ]

47 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think DeFilippo got a lot of credit for Frank Reich's work. This is his 2nd shot as an OC and he sucked in Cleveland too. Not to say he is finished.... but I would not be rushing to hire him as a Head Coach based on what he has shown at this stage. 

 

 

Reich got canned from the OC job in San Diego(for poor performance, with a high profile QB at his disposal) and after spending 2 years with a like-minded HC he got his own HC job.

 

I wouldn't presume DeFilippo won't get hired as a HC this offseason because there are plenty of conservative stiff HC's that will be walking the plank here over the next couple offseasons as the NFL starts to catch up to other sports leagues wrt analytics.   So he will probably get his shot.

 

 

 

 

 

[formerlyofCtown]

8 hours ago, WMDman said:

Hopefully our next QB coach 

Hell he could probably be our special teams coach and do a better job than crossman

[Just Joshin']

8 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

.....so is it safe to assume the 'let's bring him in" threads start shortly??...............

Followed by fire everyone at OBD if they do not hire him.

[formerlyofCtown]

4 hours ago, Misterbluesky said:

You really want to make that change when Josh said he feels comfortable with the staff ? The kid is under enough pressure because he's playing with very limited talent...he's going to have a fresh set of flankers to get adapted too for example,that's a big project to deal with alone...he sure doesn't need a coaching change at the very young point in his career.jmho

He will have one new WR and possible a TE.  Jones, Foster and Mckenzie are here to stay.

[WideNine]

Well the Viking fans were pretty pissed after that game

 

https://www.ksfy.com/content/news/Disgruntled-Vikings-fan-puts-US-Bank-Stadium-on-Craigslist-502488021.html

 

 

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

9 hours ago, WMDman said:

Hopefully our next QB coach 

 

Curious...why?  He just failed with Cousins, a guy who has been productive QB in the NFL and he had a loaded stable of offensive weapons in Diggs, Thielen, Rudolph and solid RB's.  

 

So why is this guy a guru we need to get in?  

[Chicken Boo]

9 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

2017: rushing yardage through 16 games    1,957

 

2018: rushing yardage through 13 games    1,110

 

 

Cousins is a bit like Romo that way.  Not world beaters, but very dangerous when they have a consistent running game.

 

DeFilippo was a problem.  It's not all Kirk.

[klos63]

9 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

.....so is it safe to assume the 'let's bring him in" threads start shortly??...............

at least kick the tires