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3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'd keep Shady and draft one. I don't see much of a benefit to cutting Shady and going after a FA vet in that spot. I'd draft a guy who you think by mid season 2019 can be splitting time 50/50 with McCoy and then at the end of next year when Shady's contract is done you let him walk away and your rookie is ready to go into his second season as "the guy". I think if you put a line in front of Shady next year you will get enough production to move the chains. What I wouldn't do is keep shady and draft a guy who is only really a change of pace back. They have to be looking for a guy who might not start day 1 but they are looking at as a potential long term starter.

 

I think they'll ultimately decide to keep Shady and hope improving the line makes him look more like the guy he was 2-3 years ago, but I just don't think he's anything special anymore to be honest. I think signing one of the guys I mentioned and then drafting someone like maybe Darrel Henderson, Damien Harris, or Karan Higdon is an upgrade while also saving a significant amount of money (unless Tevin Coleman is the one they sign)

2 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

Good piece, but I find it unfathomable that the Jets would let Enunwa go. They have a young quarterback and even more cap room than the Bills. You're probably talking about a MASSIVE overpay to even have a chance.

 

I would guess that you're probably right

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5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'd keep Shady and draft one. I don't see much of a benefit to cutting Shady and going after a FA vet in that spot. I'd draft a guy who you think by mid season 2019 can be splitting time 50/50 with McCoy and then at the end of next year when Shady's contract is done you let him walk away and your rookie is ready to go into his second season as "the guy". I think if you put a line in front of Shady next year you will get enough production to move the chains. What I wouldn't do is keep shady and draft a guy who is only really a change of pace back. They have to be looking for a guy who might not start day 1 but they are looking at as a potential long term starter.

 

The cap savings on Shady are significant, I think cutting Shady does give the team 7+ million in cap space. However you probably would have to give a upper tier free agent RB 7 million aav with a significant bonus anyway. Shady on a one year deal might be better since the backs on the open market that would fall into that sensible range (Basically anyone not named Lev Bell) might not rep[resent much of an upgrade over Shady at age 31. 

 

I think there does need to be a RB drafted in rounds 3-5 at the very least. This team can't go into the season with two older backs in Shady and Ivory without having a young high potential back behind them. 

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3 hours ago, Agent 91 said:

He slipped through the crack did he just declare? 64 215 could do. I think I would take DK over him now though. Bigger body and a deep ball guy. He uses his length really well and has soft enough hands. Kelvin certain has more than impressive credentials.

 

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/11/29/2019-draft-3-round-mock-draft-has-bills-addressing-offense-dk-metcalf-yodny-cajuste-tyler-biadasz/amp

 

This actually wouldn't piss me off at all. 

That's what I'm talking bout!! Grab LJ Scott or Myles Gaskin in the 4th, then BPA

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1.) Matt Paradis, C, Denver 79.0 #3

2.) Ramon Foster, G, Pittsburgh 70.8 #16

3.) Rodger Saffold, G, Los Angeles Rams 71.9 #13

4.) Mitch Morse, C, Kansas City 64.8 #16

5.) Cole Beasley, WR, Dallas 71.7 #41

6.) Tavon Austin, WR, Dallas 71.3 U/R

7.) Darqueeze Dennard, CB, Cincinnati 60.9 #76

8.) Bradley Roby, CB, Denver 60.4 #81

9.) Anthony Barr, EDGE, Minnesota 67.7 #30

10.) LeVeon Bell, RB, Pittsburgh DNP

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4 hours ago, BakersBills said:

 

dont see the point in both hump and conley,  unles you think 1 of them is a number 1 wr.

 

jones, mckenzie and foster will all be here next year, so you need a 1 and a 2/3

 

I think Conley has #1 upside. He's buried on the depth chart but still has 5 touchdowns and has had some big games. He's ready to break out. Humphries is a true 2/3 and would fill out a nice corps with Conley, Jones, Humphries and Foster. McKenzie to me is more of a gadget player, but he has his uses. 

 

I think this regime is done with diva recievers. Conley is a supremely hard worker, a humble and very intelligent guy who is a big, uber athlete. He's my guy. Humphries is just a solid player who moves chains in the vein of an Emanuel Sanders type. Ideally, I want both with Jones, Foster, McKenzie and who ever we draft. 

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23 hours ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said:

 

Have you seen this list of FA WRs? You'd be STUPID to break the bank for any one of these guys. 

 

I don't think Tyrell Williams is that good. With a raw QB like Allen, he needs a good route runner that can run the short and intermediate routes. We get speed and can get a deep threat in the draft. Allen needs a reliable route runner.

Not sure I said he was great or anything; just stated he was a better version of Benjamin and not the most crisp of route runners.  Am I wrong?

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On 12/5/2018 at 9:49 PM, QuoteTheRaven83 said:

Obviously things can change between now and training camp but here's my list of FA's we need to sign.

 

Number 1, Sheldon Richardson. I doubt the Vikings will let him walk but he hasn't signed an extension yet and if it remains that way, Buffalo needs to pay up. The thought of Richardson, Phillips, and Hughes on the d-line is very intriguing. We have the cap space. Don't be cheap.

 

My number 2 FA target would be a guy that not many are talking about here.

Quincy Enunwa would be my number 1 FA priority at the WR position. A big body WR that can work the middle of the field and won't cost much against the cap. IMO the best bang for your buck in this sorry FA WR class.

 

Lastly, sign C Matt Paradis. Desperately need a quality veteran Center that can help Josh Allen on the field. Help Josh with the blocking schemes and most importantly communicate to Josh what he sees when they're lined up. Don't be cheap on a veteran Center to help Allen grow.

 

IMO this fills positions of need and puts us in a situation to draft BPA in the draft. Grab best available player at CB, WR, OT, RB and go from there. 


 

 

 

 

I wouldn't mind this, It would take a miracle for Elway to let Paradis walk though. I would love this team to sign OT Daryl Williams (CAR), OG Rodger Saffold (LAR), C  Matt Paradis (DEN) and WR Donte Moncrief (JAX). Those players would all fill some major roles... I don't see paradis leaving Denver but I can see all the rest moving on to different homes.

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On ‎12‎/‎5‎/‎2018 at 9:49 PM, QuoteTheRaven83 said:

Obviously things can change between now and training camp but here's my list of FA's we need to sign.

 

Number 1, Sheldon Richardson. I doubt the Vikings will let him walk but he hasn't signed an extension yet and if it remains that way, Buffalo needs to pay up. The thought of Richardson, Phillips, and Hughes on the d-line is very intriguing. We have the cap space. Don't be cheap.

 

My number 2 FA target would be a guy that not many are talking about here.

Quincy Enunwa would be my number 1 FA priority at the WR position. A big body WR that can work the middle of the field and won't cost much against the cap. IMO the best bang for your buck in this sorry FA WR class.

 

Lastly, sign C Matt Paradis. Desperately need a quality veteran Center that can help Josh Allen on the field. Help Josh with the blocking schemes and most importantly communicate to Josh what he sees when they're lined up. Don't be cheap on a veteran Center to help Allen grow.

 

IMO this fills positions of need and puts us in a situation to draft BPA in the draft. Grab best available player at CB, WR, OT, RB and go from there. 


 

 

 

 

I'd add TE Jessee James, then I think we have a successful FA class. 

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TJ Yeldon or Tevin Coleman would be nice and wouldn't cost too much. Plug them in at RB and draft 5-6 OL and a couple TEs, have the ability to pound teams. Mitch Morse is the 16th rated center on PFF, that may be where we go with the big money. Cole Beasley and Tavon Austin I'd go after as well, they upgrade us and cost pennies. Go to the draft for our other needs. Yeldon/Coleman combo would be interesting.

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On 12/6/2018 at 6:07 AM, metzelaars_lives said:

Good point!  How’d the Niners do after Montana- they didn’t skip a beat with Steve Young.  And how did the Packers fare after Favre- they didn’t miss anything with Aaron Rodgers.  Hey man, I know you are the resident “running backs aren’t important” guy but did you ever think that maybe James Conner is just good?

Don't put words in my mouth. I NEVER once said RBs weren't important. I said they were a dime a dozen. Meaning you can find one EASILY in the draft. So my point is, why would you overpay a FA RB when you can find one in the draft? You don't win SBs with a star RB.

 

Is James Conner good or is their o-line just that dominant in the running game? And did the Niners skip a beat with Young? No because Young was a MUCH better QB than Montana IMO and wasn't a product of Walsh's system. 

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On 12/6/2018 at 2:03 AM, QuoteTheRaven83 said:

 

I don't think our OL is all that far away from being solid. Wyatt Teller and Dawkins have proven to be more than capable. We desperately need a center and if we can pick up an OT to play opposite Dawkins, our O-line could be dominant. We're only 2-3 players away from having a solid line. 

 

I'm more concerned with CB depth, WR, and RB at the moment. I don't see McCoy coming back next year.

I think Dawkins might be our most overrated player. He gets a lot of passes here, but I think that Glenn trade might turn out to be their worst. That whole line is subpar. 

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1 minute ago, Trogdor said:

I think Dawkins might be our most overrated player. He gets a lot of passes here, but I think that Glenn trade might turn out to be their worst. That whole line is subpar. 

 

You think he'd get better after losing Incognito and Wood in the middle? 

 

LOL...

 

You don't think that had anything to do with his regression?

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6 minutes ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said:

 

You think he'd get better after losing Incognito and Wood in the middle? 

 

LOL...

 

You don't think that had anything to do with his regression?

I didn't think he was all that great late last season. He gets beat with speed and has no ability to recover. It's the 1on1 problems that makes me think he is overrated. 

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27 minutes ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said:

Don't put words in my mouth. I NEVER once said RBs weren't important. I said they were a dime a dozen. Meaning you can find one EASILY in the draft. So my point is, why would you overpay a FA RB when you can find one in the draft? You don't win SBs with a star RB.

 

Is James Conner good or is their o-line just that dominant in the running game? And did the Niners skip a beat with Young? No because Young was a MUCH better QB than Montana IMO and wasn't a product of Walsh's system. 

 

How many rbs were taken before Conner that aren’t as good? You can miss just like any other position 

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On 12/5/2018 at 10:01 PM, NewEra said:

Justin Phillips?  Jordan Phillips is a FA.  I’d love to resign him though

 

 I’d be ok with Enunwa or Tyrell.  Whichever comes cheaper.  

 

Paradis is my #1 FA target.  I just don’t see Denver letting him leave.  Eleay knows how valuable a guy like him is.  But we can hope

Jordan seems to like it here, think we should be able to work something out.

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On 12/6/2018 at 12:31 PM, Agent 91 said:

He slipped through the crack did he just declare? 64 215 could do. I think I would take DK over him now though. Bigger body and a deep ball guy. He uses his length really well and has soft enough hands. Kelvin certain has more than impressive credentials.

 

https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/11/29/2019-draft-3-round-mock-draft-has-bills-addressing-offense-dk-metcalf-yodny-cajuste-tyler-biadasz/amp

 

This actually wouldn't piss me off at all. 

 

I would love that mock.

 

And for the record, I have been saying for awhile now that I firmly believe Metcalf will be the first WR taken and is the best prospect to be a high end #1 WR in the NFL.  He has the size, uses the size, and has the speed to be a top end WR.  He is being over looked a little due to the neck injury, however, he will rise back to the consensus top guy I believe through the combine and offseason workouts.  His injury isnt a risk to his skill set, its a neck injury, not like an ACL or something that could hamper him at the next level.  

 

There are 7 or 8 guys that have a legit shot at being taken in the first round, and this offseason, combine, workouts, etc will start separating them more.  But I expect it to be Metcalf to finish at the top of those lists most often.  

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57 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

I didn't think he was all that great late last season. He gets beat with speed and has no ability to recover. It's the 1on1 problems that makes me think he is overrated. 

I agree with you.  I think he's a better fit on the interior.  He just doesn't seem to have the footwork to play tackle.

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8 minutes ago, Franchiseneedsme said:

Would you trade our 1st this year and a 3rd next year for Julio? He is the Stud I want and I think this could get it done

No I would not trade a first round pick this year and a third round pick next year for Julio. That would be foolish. Jones would be going into his 9th yr next year. In addition, he would be a high cost player who is on the downside. If the Bills were a fuller team and competing for a championship with a developed qb it might make sense. But for us in our current rebuilding situation it would make little sense. 

 

The Bills have a full complement of draft picks and a large cap space to work with. Now is the time to fill the multiple holes on the roster, with the priority being the OL. Julio would eat too much of the cap and for a team in our situation high picks should be prized and used, not sold off for declining marquee players. 

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3 minutes ago, JohnC said:

No I would not trade a first round pick this year and a third round pick next year for Julio. That would be foolish. Jones would be going into his 9th yr next year. In addition, he would be a high cost player who is on the downside. If the Bills were a fuller team and competing for a championship with a developed qb it might make sense. But for us in our current rebuilding situation it would make little sense. 

 

The Bills have a full complement of draft picks and a large cap space to work with. Now is the time to fill the multiple holes on the roster, with the priority being the OL. Julio would eat too much of the cap and for a team in our situation high picks should be prized and used, not sold off for declining marquee players. 

He's leading the league in Receiving yards, Has 3 elite years left, would cost like 17M per, and We have 90+ Mill

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20 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Our first in 2020 and a 3rd this year for Julio. Absolutely I'd do it.... Im confident enough in Josh Allen to make this trade and mortgage our 2020 first round pick away for Julio. 

I would love to add Julio. Think he is the perfect fit for Allen. Big wr that can get deep and fights for the ball

 

But that trade would give flashbacks to the watkins trade

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On 12/5/2018 at 11:01 PM, Chandler#81 said:

 

Just watched that as well (44-34, ‘90 Div Round). Most amazing was how svelte the OL was. Yes, Ballard was as big as -well, a House, but there were no tubs of goo back then. Hull, Ritcher & Wolford were chiseled fit.

 

And their small size was a liability to us in the 90's SB's. The bigger OLs of the NFC teams was one of the primary reasons we lost, especially to Dallas.

On 12/6/2018 at 3:06 AM, ProcessTruster said:

Hull , Ritcher and Wolford would get steamrollered in today's game.

 

They were steamrolled back in the 90's in the Super Bowls.

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We could definitely use a big upgrade at DT to replace Kyle and Harry has not yet shown that he is ready to step up. Our DL as a whole needs an upgrade so we can rush 4 more often and still get pressure. Our run D also needs to improve. An outside corner is a must.

 

We'll probably get very aggressive about bringing receiving help due to the limited options in FA and he draft class there. My biggest hope, though, is that we sign a franchise LT and C. A solid OL would make Allen's life so much easier and allow him more time to set his feet properly and make better decisions. I also think we'll see a changing of the guard at RB. I look for a Shady trade to Pittsburgh maybe???

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There is nothing trustworthy of this regime in regards to their ability to assess talent from their days in Carolina ( a model Buffalo do not want to emulate )  or in buffalo where their personnel moves left us thin with no credible offensive playmakers at WR or O-line which is the same problem they had in Carolina

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11 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I would love that mock.

 

And for the record, I have been saying for awhile now that I firmly believe Metcalf will be the first WR taken and is the best prospect to be a high end #1 WR in the NFL.  He has the size, uses the size, and has the speed to be a top end WR.  He is being over looked a little due to the neck injury, however, he will rise back to the consensus top guy I believe through the combine and offseason workouts.  His injury isnt a risk to his skill set, its a neck injury, not like an ACL or something that could hamper him at the next level.  

 

There are 7 or 8 guys that have a legit shot at being taken in the first round, and this offseason, combine, workouts, etc will start separating them more.  But I expect it to be Metcalf to finish at the top of those lists most often.  

I doubt Tyler Badasz lasts until the third Rnd.  "Best interior lineman in the draft".

 

Unpopular choice but I'd like the Bills secure him with the first pick. 

Dawkins, Teller, Badass can grow together with Allen. 

Best available (attainable)  fa  Rt/RG

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9 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

He's 30. Not 35. He has PLENTY of years left.

 

He is a high cost player but the Bills have almost $90 million in cap. Julios cap hit is around $13 million in 2019 and 2020. He is a FA in 2021. 

 

Again, chances are the draft picks you are giving up aren't going to be a hall of fame WR like Julio Jones. 

 

 

Julio, along with some more offensive help would make the Bills a Super Bowl contender as early as next year so long as Allen continues to develop and McDermott improves as a HC.

 

Where is the downside in a trade for Julio? Stop being scared.

 

Look at the Chicago Bears as a prime example. They were "rebuilding" a year ago too. They are legitimate Super Bowl contenders a year later.

Julio will be in his ninth year next year. I'm not afraid of adding a good player as much as losing a first round pick and giving up the ability to sign a younger player who will be contributing for a longer period of time. 

 

Let's stop with the delusion that with only an addition of a top tier player such as Julio the Bills will be a SB contending team. It's a far fetched stretch that after another offseason this team is going to be in the running for the SB. I expect Josh Allen to improve next year. He is still at least a few years away from being the caliber of qb that could lead.a team to the biggest trophy in the NFL.

 

As I said before the Bills have a full complement of draft picks and a sizable amount of cap space. The smart way to utilize those assets is to spread it around and address the many needs on this team, especially focusing on the offense. 

9 hours ago, Franchiseneedsme said:

He's leading the league in Receiving yards, Has 3 elite years left, would cost like 17M per, and We have 90+ Mill

For that $17 M a year you could use that money to bring in two starting offensive linemen. That would be a wiser use of that money. In addition, you would have to give up high draft assets to make a deal for him which means you would forgo the opportunity to bring in a high quality player who would also be cheaper and play longer,  In this case being impulsive is not being smart. 

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2 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Why? 

 

Why is that far fetched? I just have you a prime example of a team in the Chicago Bears who SUCKED last year and a year later are now Super Bowl contenders.

 

If the Bills make bold moves they can certainly do the same. 

 

Fans are scared of those moves.

Khalil Mack joined the Bears in his fifth year. He is arguably the best defensive player in the game. If Julio was signed by the Bills this offseason he would be entering his ninth season. I'm not interested in giving up a first round pick and more for a player at that late stage in his career. He's not a quick fix. A quicker and better fix for improving the team is instead of using that money you want allocated to him use it for two new starting offensive linemen. 

 

You can argue this issue to you are exhausted. But the reality is that the McDermott and Beane duo are unlikely to make an expensive Julio deal. It's not in their more cautious makeup. On this type of deal I agree with their approach. 

 

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20 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Julio will be in his ninth year next year. I'm not afraid of adding a good player as much as losing a first round pick and giving up the ability to sign a younger player who will be contributing for a longer period of time. 

 

Let's stop with the delusion that with only an addition of a top tier player such as Julio the Bills will be a SB contending team. It's a far fetched stretch that after another offseason this team is going to be in the running for the SB. I expect Josh Allen to improve next year. He is still at least a few years away from being the caliber of qb that could lead.a team to the biggest trophy in the NFL.

 

As I said before the Bills have a full complement of draft picks and a sizable amount of cap space. The smart way to utilize those assets is to spread it around and address the many needs on this team, especially focusing on the offense. 

For that $17 M a year you could use that money to bring in two starting offensive linemen. That would be a wiser use of that money. In addition, you would have to give up high draft assets to make a deal for him which means you would forgo the opportunity to bring in a high quality player who would also be cheaper and play longer,  In this case being impulsive is not being smart. 

 

That is NOT the argument. The argument is that adding Julio Jones (i dont think its realistic personally) IN ADDITION to using offseason/draft to shore up the O-line and get other offensive weapons puts us a contender. It is the NFL, any team can win any game at any time. String enough together and you are competing for a superbowl. We have the money and draft capital to secure elite level Juli Jones AND CONTINUE TO BUILD THIS ROSTER...its not an either/or situation. Would be a great get if we could send next years first rounder and a mid round this year for Julio...especially when next years 1st rounder is a late first rounder.

 

Again I think this is a pipe dream because I don't see the Falcons as wanting to get rid of Julio, but if they wanted to and would we could get him, DO IT. Its part of team building. Not the end all, be all of putting together this team. 

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Well, still holding out hope we can get to pick #2 or #3 and get Bosa with QBs going ahead of him.

 

Sign Paradis / Saffold / Tyrell Williams

 

Given what we've seen from Zay / Foster the second half of the year, adding in Tyrell Williams, plus maybe McKenzie / McCloud and use our 3rd / 4th round picks on WR / RB / TE, wherever the value falls and we have the basis to hope some WRs emerge.

 

Take a OT with our 2nd rounder, if he can push Dawkins to RT it's a bonus.

 

So Dawkins (or Rookie) / Saffold / Paradis / Teller / Rookie (or Dawkins).

 

We need one of everything, but right now I would hope to prioritize shoring up the oline.

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On 12/10/2018 at 6:22 PM, aristocrat said:

 

How many rbs were taken before Conner that aren’t as good? You can miss just like any other position 

 

RBs taken before Conner?

 

You mean Leonard Fournette, Christian McCaffrey, Dalvin Cook, Alvin Kamara, Kareem Hunt, Joe Mixon and D'Onta Foreman?

 

I see your point. There were LOTS of misses there. Thanks for proving me wrong. 

 

Some RBs taken AFTER Conner. Marlon Mack, Tarik Cohen, Aaron Jones, Chris Carson.

 

Dime a dozen. 

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On 12/10/2018 at 6:59 PM, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I would love that mock.

 

And for the record, I have been saying for awhile now that I firmly believe Metcalf will be the first WR taken and is the best prospect to be a high end #1 WR in the NFL.  He has the size, uses the size, and has the speed to be a top end WR.  He is being over looked a little due to the neck injury, however, he will rise back to the consensus top guy I believe through the combine and offseason workouts.  His injury isnt a risk to his skill set, its a neck injury, not like an ACL or something that could hamper him at the next level.  

 

There are 7 or 8 guys that have a legit shot at being taken in the first round, and this offseason, combine, workouts, etc will start separating them more.  But I expect it to be Metcalf to finish at the top of those lists most often.  

Hes a freak athlete so I agree with everything you laid out. I don't know enough about this caujuste prospect.  But that center is good

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On 12/5/2018 at 11:18 PM, QuoteTheRaven83 said:

 

BTW. Give me a list of all the RBs that played in the last 10 Super Bowls.

 

I can't give you the last 10,but 2 of them had The Beast who was drafted in the first round and was a HUGE factor in his team,'s success.  

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On 12/11/2018 at 5:16 AM, Ned Kelly said:

I doubt Tyler Badasz lasts until the third Rnd.  "Best interior lineman in the draft".

 

Unpopular choice but I'd like the Bills secure him with the first pick. 

Dawkins, Teller, Badass can grow together with Allen. 

Best available (attainable)  fa  Rt/RG

If Tyler declares he would be your center - consensus 1st round talent if looking for a stud C.

 

If he doesn't declare then his line mate Michael Deiter would be a good 2nd round value, not sure he would drop into the 3rd. He's solid, comes from a Wisconsin program that has been churning out NFL-calibre o-linemen for a while now, has played LG, C, LT when needed.

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On 12/6/2018 at 3:49 AM, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

Tyrell Williams is a better version of Benjamin.  Great hands, fast, and gives 100% effort.  Not the greatest route runner but good enough.

He is nothing at all like Benjamin. He is an open field speedster, Benjamin is a short yardage contested catch player.

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