Allen's Last Pass (12/2): Bad Pass or Drop?

[row_33]

2 minutes ago, Bill_with_it said:

Im guessing they expect Allen to fire a laser so hard that it sticks in the face mask....

 

Deliverd on that Mister Rogers Jollytown Trolley

3 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

It hit him in the hands.  Where else should he have located it?

 

Geez, it was total hell to get told

 

”if you can touch it you can catch it”

 

when it grazed the tip of one finger

 

let alone when It’s in your handzzzzz

 

Edited December 3, 2018 by row_33

[Perry Turtle]

I don't know, that pass went 40 yards from the left numbers to the right numbers, after a necessary 40 yard scramble, thrown away from his body.  It hit the hands of the receiver.

 

Considering all that, I have a hard time calling that pass, which most NFL QBs couldn't come close to completing, a bad pass.

 

The real question should be, with the Bills needing 11 yards for a first down, and more than enough time on the clock, why was a play called where all the receivers ended up in the end zone? 

 

Daboll called a hail mary when he didn't need to. 

[Another Fan]

I mean maybe he stumbled idk?  Seems like he should have got in position to catch it though even if he doesn’t get the TD.  

[row_33]

 I’m told 10 percent of people are totally unreasonable on any interaction

 

 

[Pete]

Did Wes Welker drop this? Is this a catch that a WR should make routinely?   

 

[SWATeam]

I can't believe this is actually a serious question.  Do people even remember what Allen had to do to even get that throw off?  It was an amazing play by him.  Bad pass lol

[row_33]

98 percent on Welker

 

crime against humanity on Clay

 

 

[OldTimer1960]

Both: poor pass on the run, but still should have been caught.  He made a great play to get away, but needed to take the time that he bought to make a semi-accurate throw.  Clay was WIDE open and, yes, Allen was running the other direction, but if he’d have set his feet, he could have made a very good throw.

 

i *hope* that this is a hangover from playing on a very under-talented Wyoming team (and a bottom 5 NFL offense), but he NEEDS to clean up the ducks he is throwing.  Some of that will come if they can put a good OL in front of him and some will come with good NFL receivers, but he can’t have 10% ducks and succeed in the league.

[row_33]

 

Good that Allan is classy enough to pretend to take some blame 

 

He doesn’t mean it and that’s fine

 

————-

 

help me here, the Bills get a last second shot at a Hail Mary and after scrambling for his life he has a wide open huge-contract man all alone in the EZ and he delivers it right in his hands...

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

Mostly on Clay.  He didn’t get his hands under the ball enough.  It was almost like he was a catcher blocking a ball in the dirt.

[Bob in STL]

Any pass that deep in that situation was at least decent.  Clay was his usual non-factor.  Slow to come back and help, slow to break to the ball, and he failed to make a big play, even though it was a tough catch of a wobbly pass. 

 

Worst players on the field that play were Groy and the guard helping him as they both failed to contain a single pass rusher making it impossible for Allen to step up into the pocket and buy time for the pattern to develop.  

 

I looked at the replay 20 times.  Both edge rushers were quickly beating our  OTs wide and at the same time that all the WRs were only about 5 yard down the field  with their backs turned.   Miami had coverage on a check down, coverage on the first down marker, and they had people deep.    Deep was the best option, to bad Allen had to run all over the place to make time to deliver it. 

 

Our OL is woeful.  That play could have been was a routine 12 yard out pattern with another WR crossing the middle between the deep zone and the first down marker. All it takes is protection against a 3 man rush. 

 

Groy is so bad he makes Bodine look good. 

Edited December 3, 2018 by Bob in STL

[MPT]

8 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

It hit him in the hands.  Where else should he have located it?

 

It hit him in the hands because he dove for it. Still should have been caught, but a "good pass" wouldn't have fluttered down the field (like a couple did today) and would have gotten to a wide open receiver without him diving.

 

Good lord, if people don't say Allen is a 100% perfect Hall of Fame worthy golden child, y'all get so pissy. 

[Orlando Tim]

By a professional standard that ball MUST be caught by a 7 million a year dude. Of course it could have been a better throw but it got there and it was not a top of the grass kind of deal. This is all on Clay.

[Helpmenow]

Dawkins would have caught it

[Gugny]

1 minute ago, MPT said:

 

It hit him in the hands because he dove for it. Still should have been caught, but a "good pass" wouldn't have fluttered down the field (like a couple did today) and would have gotten to a wide open receiver without him diving.

 

Good lord, if people don't say Allen is a 100% perfect Hall of Fame worthy golden child, y'all get so pissy. 

 

Actually, this thread is about one pass - not Josh Allen's legacy.

 

All season, including other plays today, WRs have had Allen passes hit their hands and not catch them.  It's almost as if our WRs are being coached to catch the ball with their body.  This isn't Pop Warner.  NFL WRs have to catch balls that hit them in the hands.  The good ones do, week in/week out.

[Orlando Tim]

3 minutes ago, MPT said:

 

It hit him in the hands because he dove for it. Still should have been caught, but a "good pass" wouldn't have fluttered down the field (like a couple did today) and would have gotten to a wide open receiver without him diving.

 

Good lord, if people don't say Allen is a 100% perfect Hall of Fame worthy golden child, y'all get so pissy. 

The question was not if it was perfect- the pass was not equal to his foster throw laat week- but it was effective in that it hit a receiver who was open in the hands. If it hits a reciever in the hands and bread basket it must be caught.

[Kelly the Dog]

4 minutes ago, MPT said:

 

It hit him in the hands because he dove for it. Still should have been caught, but a "good pass" wouldn't have fluttered down the field (like a couple did today) and would have gotten to a wide open receiver without him diving.

 

Good lord, if people don't say Allen is a 100% perfect Hall of Fame worthy golden child, y'all get so pissy. 

But he didnt dive for it. He stumbled and tripped over his own feet. Then lunged.

[row_33]

The only decent ending the last decade was EJs last minute drive at Carolina

 

maybe it’s just as well; that catch today might have killed off 15,000 fans with a heart attack

 

 

[stony]

9 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

Any pass that deep in that situation was at least decent.  Clay was his usual non-factor.  Slow to come back and help, slow to break to the ball, and he failed to make a big play, even though it was a tough catch of a wobbly pass. 

 

Worst players on the field that play were Groy and the guard helping him as they both failed to contain a single pass rusher making it impossible for Allen to step up into the pocket and buy time for the pattern to develop.  

 

I looked at the replay 20 times.  Both edge rushers were quickly beating our  OTs wide and at the same time that all the WRs were only about 5 yard down the field  with their backs turned.   Miami had coverage on a check down, coverage on the first down marker, and they had people deep.    Deep was the best option, to bad Allen had to run all over the place to make time to deliver it. 

 

Our OL is woeful.  That play could have been was a routine 12 yard out pattern with another WR crossing the middle between the deep zone and the first down marker. All it takes is protection against a 2 man rush. 

 

Groy is so bad he makes Bodine look good. 

It was a 3 man rush.  I think Allen should have slid to the right to avoid it.  He stepped into it.      

[row_33]

11 minutes ago, MPT said:

 

It hit him in the hands because he dove for it. Still should have been caught, but a "good pass" wouldn't have fluttered down the field (like a couple did today) and would have gotten to a wide open receiver without him diving.

 

Good lord, if people don't say Allen is a 100% perfect Hall of Fame worthy golden child, y'all get so pissy. 

 

You saw what Allen did to get the ball to the EZ?

 

You realize what a near miracle that was

 

amd you still whine?

[Jay_Fixit]

22 minutes ago, Tsaikotic said:

I voted for Clay....he had enough time and room (no-one was around him) to adjust to the ball...I was gonna go 95/5 ?

Right, like I said.

[row_33]

That catch would have been a million times better than making the playoffs last year

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Drop

 

 

[Rc2catch]

As others said, don’t matter good pass or bad pass. It’s 100% on Clay. Been invisible all season, against your former team, WIDE OPEN.. You catch that ball. 7 million reasons you can make that one dang catch. 

And as others have said, to even get that throw off is a win for Allen. That’s #1 on the sports center top 10 if clay just grabs the ball and doesn’t trip on his own feet. 

Clay has choked multiple times in his tenure here. He should be gone ASAP. He brings nothing to the team.

[NickelCity]

1 hour ago, Romie said:

Really I think it was both.  Not the best pass, but there's dudes out there that would have pulled it off.

 

That's putting it mildly. I don't think there are many dudes who wouldn't have pulled it off. Hell, 95 times + out of 100, Clay catches that. 

[Kelly the Dog]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

This.

 

Allen bails the pocket way to soon. He created the chaos of that play and nearly pulled it off. 

 

EVERY receiver ran a deep pattern. He knew that. If he stood in the pocket one more second it would have collapsed on him before he threw. People are arguing that it was a poorly designed play since they really only needed the 11 yards and not a TD, but there would not have been a WR or TE open if he stayed in the pocket a little longer.

[row_33]

Watching him get away from the rush and then finding out nobody was covering a Bill in the EZ as the TV view panned out was great

 

and then....

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[whatdrought]

The authority at NFL.com has spoken.

 

 

he missed a wide open clay. He just missed him. That simple. Obviously. NFL.com says.

 

edit: photo didn’t load. Link:

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000994869/article/what-we-learned-from-sundays-week-13-games

Edited December 3, 2018 by whatdrought

[Cripple Creek]

I'm not going to vote because the answer is yes to both though to term it a "bad pass" doesn't do justice to what Allen had to do to even have an opportunity to heave the ball.

 

Hands of clay, head of stone should have worked his way back to his QB when he saw him running for his life. If he does it's an easy catch.

 

95% on Clay

[JMF2006]

You put the ball up under pressure to a receiver that is wide open and he chokes the game away.

 

I think Croom or Thomas make that catch. 

 

Definitely a DROP

Edited December 3, 2018 by JMF2006

[Orlando Tim]

31 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

The authority at NFL.com has spoken.

 

 

he missed a wide open clay. He just missed him. That simple. Obviously. NFL.com says.

 

edit: photo didn’t load. Link:

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000994869/article/what-we-learned-from-sundays-week-13-games

I am not sure if you are being sarcastic but using the nfl.com writers as an authority is not usually a good idea. 

[Happy]

Hit Clay in the arms.  He should have caught it.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Orlando Tim]

1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Both: poor pass on the run, but still should have been caught.  He made a great play to get away, but needed to take the time that he bought to make a semi-accurate throw.  Clay was WIDE open and, yes, Allen was running the other direction, but if he’d have set his feet, he could have made a very good throw.

 

i *hope* that this is a hangover from playing on a very under-talented Wyoming team (and a bottom 5 NFL offense), but he NEEDS to clean up the ducks he is throwing.  Some of that will come if they can put a good OL in front of him and some will come with good NFL receivers, but he can’t have 10% ducks and succeed in the league.

I do not mean this against you personally but i am curious how a ball that is thrown 40+ yards and the reciever gets both hand on is a bad throw- it was not perfect but it was certainly catchable, which makes it a good throw in my book.

[Livinginthepast]

Like the old football saying goes "if you can touch it, you can catch it". TBH it doesn't even look that hard to do. Clay just trips on his way back to the ball and half dives at it. He should have caught it right it in the breadbasket. It wasn't a great throw but there was nobody around Clay to distract him. He just dropped it.

[Formerly Allan in MD]

It appeared he was determined to remain in the end zone when moving slightly forward would have made for a chest locale catch without having to stretch.  But he still should have caught it.

[Norcalbillsfan]

Scrambling, offset feet, arcoss the feild, and a pretty deep pass. Ya it was an ugly ball but If you watch clay judged it wrong, had plenty of time to come up make the easy catch and walk into the end zone. The only thing I can think is when the game is almost over and it's on the line, maybe clay was thinking of staying in the end zone instead of coming back to the ball.

[Nervous Guy]

it was both

[WotAGuy]

It depends....did McClappy clap after the play?  If so, it was a drop by Clay.