whatdrought Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 20 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: I am not sure if you are being sarcastic but using the nfl.com writers as an authority is not usually a good idea. Sarcasm. They’re pretty useless. It would have been funnier with the picture that wouldn’t load. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: Sarcasm. They’re pretty useless. It would have been funnier with the picture that wouldn’t load. ? We really need a sarcasm font on here.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Both. The ball was a duck. It came out funny, was wobbly and was probably a good 10 to 15 feet underthrown. There was no one close to guarding lay and a ball that was a few feet higher and you have yourself an easy TD. That said, Clay could've and probably should've come up with the ball. It looked to me like he almost started tripping as he was going down low to get underneath the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Both. But the pass was way easier to make than the catch, so bad pass gets my vote. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 hours ago, matter2003 said: Allen said postgane he didn't like the way it felt coming out of his hand and he also took responsibility on the Jones throw saying it was Cover 0 and Jones was 100% correct in continuing to run and he threw it as if he was going to sit down. And this is why I really like Allen a lot. He doesn't throw his teammates under the bus. In the long wrong this is far more important then winning this one game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
familykwi Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Southern Bills Fan said: Wasn’t a great pass but it got there. For 7 mil a year, you expect a guy to catch it. After I turned off our game I watched Kelce & Rudolph make great catches using strong hands to hang on. After last year's performance before injury, I thought Clay would be a nice sleeper. Sleepy maybe, not sleeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 If only Clay had put in 5% of the effort Allen did, we win that game. Having said that, seeing Allen lead them was more important to me than a win. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Allen was running away from the throw under pressure, its not like he had all day to plant his feet and throw a perfect ball. Any average WR in the NFL has the agility and quickness to react to that pass and grab it without breaking a sweat. The fact that Clay sucks and is done is the only reason it was even close. It shouldnt have been close. It should have been a comfortable catch for a TD. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wily Dog Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Mojo44 said: You have to keep in mind the specific circumstances of that play. Josh was running for his life. When he made the throw he was off-balance. He had to get it off as fast as possible.He had no time to set his feet. Essentially, it got there. All Clay had to do was take a couple steps towards the pass and catch it. Josh made a great play in my opinion. Shame AMEN ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2/3 on clay 1/3 on josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 hour ago, SWATeam said: I can't believe this is actually a serious question. Do people even remember what Allen had to do to even get that throw off? It was an amazing play by him. Bad pass lol Agree. Folks who are calling it a bad throw are acting like Allen dropped back in the pocket had ALL day to scan the field and then make a throw to a wide open guy in the end zone. Instead Allen was running for his life narrowly avoiding a couple of sacks and then turning and throwing a catch-able ball to the end zone. Frankly, ALL THINGS CONSIDERED it was an incredible throw. As others have noted there are only a couple of QB's in the NFL who could have gotten that ball to Clay and I would add that there's only a couple of QB's in the league who could have escaped the rush and not been sacked. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 I haven’t seen any tape of what was going on downfield as the camera was on Allen it won’t exculpate Clay, May make me feel worse about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenyellowred Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Here is the official video link: https://www.nfl.com/share/10103061-7033-0000-0099-48639e838d76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Just now, CincyBillsFan said: Agree. Folks who are calling it a bad throw are acting like Allen dropped back in the pocket had ALL day to scan the field and then make a throw to a wide open guy in the end zone. Instead Allen was running for his life narrowly avoiding a couple of sacks and then turning and throwing a catch-able ball to the end zone. Frankly, ALL THINGS CONSIDERED it was an incredible throw. As others have noted there are only a couple of QB's in the NFL who could have gotten that ball to Clay and I would add that there's only a couple of QB's in the league who could have escaped the rush and not been sacked. Been decades since a Bills QB could even dream of making that pass, forgive the fans for being too young to remember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Williams Available Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 They didn’t even need a TD. Clay should have been running back to his QB vs sitting there hoping he can reach him. POS lazy play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Allen was on the run, moving sideways and throwing somewhat across the field and his body. That is a drop on Clay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 The correct answer is: C) Both, and one error does not exonerate the other. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, greenyellowred said: Here is the official video link: https://www.nfl.com/share/10103061-7033-0000-0099-48639e838d76 Linky is stinky! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 minute ago, DJB said: Allen was on the run, moving sideways and throwing somewhat across the field and his body. That is a drop on Clay A very Elway-ish toss, can’t think of many others who have done this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McNubbins Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Given the circumstances, it was a drop. A rookie QB under pressure throws a ball in the vicinity of a veteran tight end who is wide open. Charles Clay had to catch that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Just now, McNubbins said: Given the circumstances, it was a drop. A rookie QB under pressure throws a ball in the vicinity of a veteran tight end who is wide open. Charles Clay had to catch that. I still can’t believe Clay was that open Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Not even a question. There's no pass-catcher in the NFL that would look at that play and say "I wouldn't have caught that with the game on the line". There are, however, many QBs that would likely say "I have no idea how Allen made that throw"...even if he did run around like a maniac 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: The correct answer is: C) Both, and one error does not exonerate the other. That’s actually a wrong answer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 It wasn’t an idea pass by any stretch, but certainly good enough for Clay to come up with it. It’s not like clay had to come up with a superhuman effort there. Sucks. These receivers need to come up with big plays now and again. Just doesn’t happen often enough on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortchaz Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) 21 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Both. But the pass was way easier to make than the catch, so bad pass gets my vote. This is....are you serious? it would be impossible to replicate, but I would lay good money on 75% completion rate with ANY professional athlete as receiver if every other circumstance was exactly the same. Edited December 3, 2018 by Shortchaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Not even a question. There's no pass-catcher in the NFL that would look at that play and say "I wouldn't have caught that with the game on the line". There are, however, many QBs that would likely say "I have no idea how Allen made that throw"...even if he did run around like a maniac The thread about his arm strength this week made me laugh, now I believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 What people are missing is that Clay slips in that crappy grass enzone trying to come up for the ball. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Also, caught Bulldog’s take on the play after the game....amateur take. Essentially calling it a garbage throw. I think he honestly tries to impress Schlop by being “tough” on Allen sometimes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Not even a question. There's no pass-catcher in the NFL that would look at that play and say "I wouldn't have caught that with the game on the line". There are, however, many QBs that would likely say "I have no idea how Allen made that throw"...even if he did run around like a maniac Great point, bandit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said: What people are missing is that Clay slips in that crappy grass enzone trying to come up for the ball. Now it’s the field’s fault? Was the sun at an awkward angle or maybe the wind was up .05 mph? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said: What people are missing is that Clay slips in that crappy grass enzone trying to come up for the ball. I’m not sure is the grass is crappy, or if Clay is crappy, or both, but he did not make a clean break forward for the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 7 minutes ago, row_33 said: I still can’t believe Clay was that open I can...because he dropped it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 As one poster phrased it, he drunkenly stumbled forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 If I set up the situation and didn’t tell you who choked that bad, and I gave you 2 guesses, would you need the second to pick Clay? would you be shocked if I told you it was Clay? Just now, Doc said: I can...because he dropped it. It was too good to be true... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, row_33 said: Now it’s the field’s fault? Was the sun at an awkward angle or maybe the wind was up .05 mph? Their field is crap. Both th sides were losing footing on that grass 2 minutes ago, Augie said: I’m not sure is the grass is crappy, or if Clay is crappy, or both, but he did not make a clean break forward for the ball. I’d still rather have Clay than KB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 minute ago, row_33 said: It was too good to be true... It really was. The highlight reel of that scramble on 4th and 11 on the road capping off a 90 yard two minute drive with no timeouts would have been insane. It's why we can't have nice things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 3, 2018 Author Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Cripple Creek said: I'm not going to vote because the answer is yes to both. 42 minutes ago, Nervous Guy said: it was both Collusion. Reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: It really was. The highlight reel of that scramble on 4th and 11 on the road capping off a 90 yard two minute drive with no timeouts would have been insane. It's why we can't have nice things. I watched it in slomo and it still happened too fast for me to get my hopes up and then shattered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 8 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Their field is crap. Both th sides were losing footing on that grass I’d still rather have Clay than KB Yeah, if I had to keep one, but..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 9 minutes ago, Augie said: Yeah, if I had to keep one, but..... Both will soon get the axe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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