Reed83HOF Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 The old timers here will know who he is... Peter KingVerified account @peter_king 1h1 hour ago More We have lost a legend. Football writer/raconteur Paul Zimmerman, 86, died this afternoon. There’s only one Dr. Z. He’ll be missed. Richard DeitschVerified account @richarddeitsch 18m18 minutes ago As a young reporter, I got to fact check Paul Zimmerman on some stories he did for SI's commemoratives (when a team wins a championship or a single-issue devoted to something that was separate from the weekly magazine. I have but one fun story. Richard DeitschVerified account @richarddeitsch 16m16 minutes ago I was checking a fact that involved John Elway. Zimmerman had written how many seconds it took Elway to throw one snap when he was a quarterback at Stanford. It wasn't exactly verifiable without the game film -- which we were not getting as fact-checkers. Richard DeitschVerified account @richarddeitsch 14m14 minutes ago One of the editors -- I shall leave his name anonymous -- asked me to ask Z how he knew this stat. SI editors left notes in the stories for fact-checkers and we had to follow them the way North Koreans follow the Kim family. Richard DeitschVerified account @richarddeitsch 14m14 minutes ago So I called Z to tell him an editor wanted to know how he knew this. This was an editor who had changed Z's copy before. In Z parlance, and the parlance of most writers, he had ***** with the copy. Z asked who the editor was. I told him. Richard DeitschVerified account @richarddeitsch 12m12 minutes ago That led to a fantastic series of f-bombs and mother f-bombs. I then calmly asked what I should put in the story notes. He told me I should put in, "From Z: Go ***** yourself." So I did. One of the greatest fact-checking notes I ever had. And the stat stayed. Rest in peace, Z. 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Sad news, always enjoyed Dr. Z. And he was a big believer in the Bills! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Very sad. He was the absolute best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 One of the most knowledgeable football writers ever. May the Great Dr. Z Rest In Peace 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 RIP Z. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olaf Fub Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 His was the only weekly power ranking ever that was worth a damn; funny, insightful and always a mention of the flaming redhead. I wish there was a guy half as good as Z writing today. RIP. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Damn. Dr. Z was a legend. RIP Z. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 *****. RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Back when we had to wait many days to read an article that didn’t tell us much more than we saw simply watching the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Agree with Peter King--there was only one Dr. Z. In his prime, he was the best out there. RIP... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Always enjoyed Dr Z, he had a lot of praise for the Bills in the ‘90s. His articles were interesting, and I liked reading his takes. Pre internet was more exciting in a way. I couldn’t wait to see the next issue of SI, pro football weekly etc. The buildup in between games kept things interesting. I think Dr.Z was live with ESPN during the great ‘83 draft. One of the best football writers out there...RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 11 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Always enjoyed Dr Z, he had a lot of praise for the Bills in the ‘90s. His articles were interesting, and I liked reading his takes. Pre internet was more exciting in a way. I couldn’t wait to see the next issue of SI, pro football weekly etc. The buildup in between games kept things interesting. I think Dr.Z was live with ESPN during the great ‘83 draft. One of the best football writers out there...RIP https://www.sicovers.com/thurman-thomas-of-the-bills-1992-january-20 Wish he was right on this prediction. RIP Z.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Just now, billsbackto81 said: https://www.sicovers.com/thurman-thomas-of-the-bills-1992-january-20 Wish he was right on this prediction. RIP Z.... I do too. I remember that one well, think I still have my copy after all these years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 RIP, I always wanted to read his stuff. That was the old days, when it wasn’t just about cheap clicks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Memories came that I had nearly forgot Rip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fadingpain Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 He was discussed at the beginning of John Clayton's segment today with Schopp & Bulldog. https://wgr550.radio.com/media/audio-channel/11-01-hr-3-schopp-bulldog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Great great writer. Loved reading his articles in SI during the glory years. Seemed he loved picking the Bills almost as much as Chris Berman. You lived a full life my friend . Thank you for helping a teenage kid enjoy his team. I think we got one more guy in a special place pulling for the Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 RIP Z.....man Peter King just lost his best friend. Back when Simmons was in his prime and he cared about the NFL he could crank out some good stuff...not Z stuff but good stuff.....like another has already said - before the internet he was the man. RIP.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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QCity Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Really great article from Benoit Dr. Z’s Ultimate Legacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 (edited) He was maybe my favorite football writer. A very sad day. "Super Bowl XXVIII will go down in history as a blowout, because that's what a 30–13 score looks like when you read it in the record book five or 10 years later. But the score won't come close to telling the story. The Buffalo Bills, short-enders for the fourth straight year, had the Dallas Cowboys on the ropes on Sunday at the Georgia Dome in Atlanta, and they let them escape. "The Bills have now lost two Super Bowls that they should have won, the first and fourth in this series of consecutive defeats, and have lost the other two most convincingly. Sunday's defeat was the most disheartening because the Cowboys were a struggling team in the first half; Dallas was ready to be put away. The Cowboys' quarterback, Troy Aikman, seven days removed from a severe concussion, was having difficulties. Emmitt Smith's favorite running play, the lead draw, was getting stuffed. Buffalo quarterback Jim Kelly was picking Dallas apart with his short, meticulous passes, and the Cowboy defense was on the field far too long—41 snaps in the first half—against the Bills' no-huddle offense, which literally takes your breath away." https://www.si.com/vault/1994/02/07/130416/the-fumble-dallas-bashed-buffalo-in-their-super-bowl-rematch-as-miscues-made-the-bills-four-time-losers Edited November 2, 2018 by Thurman#1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Sad day. For the younger folks here who never had a chance to read his stuff, go to si.com today and read some of his articles. Z was the best. Such a unique writing style and his analysis was based on exhaustive work watching film. Regards and sympathies to The Flaming Redhead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 One of the first mock drafts before the number format we're used to seeing. https://www.si.com/vault/1980/04/28/824610/man-here-feeling-the-draft-sifting-stats--and-tea-leaves--intrepid-dr-z-predicts-where-the-blue-chips-will-fall-in-the-nfls-name-game-next-week 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Flanders Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 5 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: He was maybe my favorite football writer. A very sad day. "Super Bowl XXVIII will go down in history as a blowout, because that's what a 30–13 score looks like when you read it in the record book five or 10 years later. But the score won't come close to telling the story. The Buffalo Bills, short-enders for the fourth straight year, had the Dallas Cowboys on the ropes on Sunday at the Georgia Dome in Atlanta, and they let them escape. "The Bills have now lost two Super Bowls that they should have won, the first and fourth in this series of consecutive defeats, and have lost the other two most convincingly. Sunday's defeat was the most disheartening because the Cowboys were a struggling team in the first half; Dallas was ready to be put away. The Cowboys' quarterback, Troy Aikman, seven days removed from a severe concussion, was having difficulties. Emmitt Smith's favorite running play, the lead draw, was getting stuffed. Buffalo quarterback Jim Kelly was picking Dallas apart with his short, meticulous passes, and the Cowboy defense was on the field far too long—41 snaps in the first half—against the Bills' no-huddle offense, which literally takes your breath away." https://www.si.com/vault/1994/02/07/130416/the-fumble-dallas-bashed-buffalo-in-their-super-bowl-rematch-as-miscues-made-the-bills-four-time-losers Yup, the Bills Super Bowl era can pretty much be summed up in those two paragraphs...sadly... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Ever the mercurial wordsmith, Z had an unmatched talent for getting the reaction that he wanted from his readers while teaching them something that they didn't know I consider it one of the great crimes of irony that he spent his last decade on this earth unable to read or write the stories that made him one of the all-time greats 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 (edited) Dr. Z and Joel Buchsbaum were the best. What separates them from the good ones today is that it wasn't easy at all to get all of that film, and it required a ton of VHS taping (once VCRs came on the scene) and cajoling friends in other regions of the country to tape and send them games. They didn't have instant info via the internet at their hands. They did it the hard way. 5 hours ago, Doc Brown said: One of the first mock drafts before the number format we're used to seeing. https://www.si.com/vault/1980/04/28/824610/man-here-feeling-the-draft-sifting-stats--and-tea-leaves--intrepid-dr-z-predicts-where-the-blue-chips-will-fall-in-the-nfls-name-game-next-week He called Jim Ritcher! Edited November 2, 2018 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 (edited) I believe he also predicted the Giants over the Pats in 2007. When I saw that, it gave me hope. Turns out he was spot-on. Wondered where he went. Figured he retired. Unfortunately he was forced into retirement by a very difficult situation that he battled for 10 years. RIP Dr. Z. Edited November 2, 2018 by RyanC883 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 32 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: They did it the hard way. Another common element--both guys put a lot of thought into their analyses. No hot takes. No telling us what we already know. No "look at me!" They would have been failures today, but were giants back when those qualities were genuinely valued (and valuable)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Very sad. Loved Dr Z. RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Prayers to his family. I always looked forward to his SI articles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Around 1986 or 1987 or so, he made his preseason predictions for who would make the playoffs. And, nailed every one of them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 9 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: He was maybe my favorite football writer. A very sad day. "Super Bowl XXVIII will go down in history as a blowout, because that's what a 30–13 score looks like when you read it in the record book five or 10 years later. But the score won't come close to telling the story. The Buffalo Bills, short-enders for the fourth straight year, had the Dallas Cowboys on the ropes on Sunday at the Georgia Dome in Atlanta, and they let them escape. "The Bills have now lost two Super Bowls that they should have won, the first and fourth in this series of consecutive defeats, and have lost the other two most convincingly. Sunday's defeat was the most disheartening because the Cowboys were a struggling team in the first half; Dallas was ready to be put away. The Cowboys' quarterback, Troy Aikman, seven days removed from a severe concussion, was having difficulties. Emmitt Smith's favorite running play, the lead draw, was getting stuffed. Buffalo quarterback Jim Kelly was picking Dallas apart with his short, meticulous passes, and the Cowboy defense was on the field far too long—41 snaps in the first half—against the Bills' no-huddle offense, which literally takes your breath away." https://www.si.com/vault/1994/02/07/130416/the-fumble-dallas-bashed-buffalo-in-their-super-bowl-rematch-as-miscues-made-the-bills-four-time-losers Man, that is painful to read. I was just a kid but I remember that game very clearly. Bills played great football in the first half. They come out in the second half, Thurm drops the rock and I think that one mistake just demoralized the entire team. They got in their own heads with the "here we go again" and just couldn't finish. And RIP to Dr. Z, definitely one of the best of all-time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Just now, blacklabel said: Man, that is painful to read. I was just a kid but I remember that game very clearly. Bills played great football in the first half. They come out in the second half, Thurm drops the rock and I think that one mistake just demoralized the entire team. They got in their own heads with the "here we go again" and just couldn't finish. And, I kept thinking about it as everybody was talking about Thurman's competitive spirit this whole weekend, etc. I've never seen a player and then a team quit like that. The game was friggin tied! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheBrownBear Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Great writer. RIP Z. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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