Jerome007 Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Do you guys watch other games on the regular? I used to, now I will catch a few pieces here and there. Still, it's good to have comparisons and an outside perspective. First. very few teams, if any in fact, are complete. All have some glaring weaknesses on offense and/or defense. Good OLines are rare but damn do they make a difference. And if we analyzed their draft picks and trades, all of them have failures. It's like when we watch other teams we mostly notice the obvious and mainly their good things, while we overanalyze the Bills and all their mistakes. That out of the way, it's quite obvious that the play selection on offense here is too basic. Forget the limited talent. Watch some opening drives by other teams: the reverses, quick passes to the slant, misdirections, play actions, etc. could ALL be done by the Bills. The long pass plays are rare for the most part but they have some - while for some reason Allen didn't have some in his last games. Because of playcalling, 1-3 times a game a receiver is wide open. And you know what, it happened here too before. You think O'Reilly got so open because of his speed? Daboll really to up his game! He calls way too basic plays. Talent is limited but not THAT limited! Anything you guys notice? Again the goal is not to vomit all over the Bills staff as typical here and as if other teams didn't make also many bonehead moves. But just to discuss what could be so much better quickly with the current roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagon127 Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 I mean, of course other teams make mistakes, but I just don't care too much about that. Other teams fans do the exact same to their team. I see fans of the steelers and Broncos, groan about how awful their teams are, and they won several super bowls. The only team that seemingly never struggles is the Patriots, and unfortunately it is impossible to ignore them here in buffalo. I do my best to follow other teams, but I refused to spend 1pm-11:30pm on sundays doing nothing but watch football. Most people, myself included, only get 2 days off work a week, and I would like to make the most of it. Normally I watch the Bills game, and then find other activities to do. There is no better example of a team that made a ton of mistakes, lost their starting quarterback, and still won the Super Bowl then the Eagles last year. They made a bunch of awful trades 3 or 4 years ago, and right now they are the defending champs. That being said, Eagles fans were pissed when those awful trades happened and rightfully so. I will be mad about the Bills until they give me a reason to not be mad. Same with the Sabres, I may be on the down swing of being mad about them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethro_tull Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Yeah and unfortunately the better teams seem to play much "bigger", faster and quicker than the Bills. This has been the case for way too long. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobloodfloridahome Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 You also have to remember that on offense we are very lacking in the talent department. Plus with a young QB its hard to run a complicated system like KC and Rams run with young QBs. Aaron Rodgers and Matt Ryan have so many options when they step to the line and can read defenses. We don't have the personnel or the coach i'm afraid to run the newer type of offense that has been shown to be effective. Allot of teams only air it out occasionally but have so much movement behind the line and the RPO's that you just pick apart whatever the defense isn't covering. I would love to see that type of quick strike option play in Buffalo and I believe Allen would thrive in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 I watch lots of other teams' games, which is why I see just how out of step with the rest of the NFL the Bills are. Hell, they are even out of step with previous Bills teams from 2014-2016. While other teams make mistakes with personnel, no team has given away its best talent with little to show for it as consistently as the Bills have done since John Butler and AJ Smith left for San Diego back in 2001, and no Bills team -- maybe no team in NFL history -- has stripped itself of so much talent in such a short time and replaced it with so little. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 3 hours ago, wagon127 said: I mean, of course other teams make mistakes, but I just don't care too much about that. Other teams fans do the exact same to their team. I see fans of the steelers and Broncos, groan about how awful their teams are, and they won several super bowls. The only team that seemingly never struggles is the Patriots, and unfortunately it is impossible to ignore them here in buffalo. I do my best to follow other teams, but I refused to spend 1pm-11:30pm on sundays doing nothing but watch football. Most people, myself included, only get 2 days off work a week, and I would like to make the most of it. Normally I watch the Bills game, and then find other activities to do. There is no better example of a team that made a ton of mistakes, lost their starting quarterback, and still won the Super Bowl then the Eagles last year. They made a bunch of awful trades 3 or 4 years ago, and right now they are the defending champs. That being said, Eagles fans were pissed when those awful trades happened and rightfully so. I will be mad about the Bills until they give me a reason to not be mad. Same with the Sabres, I may be on the down swing of being mad about them. I'm in the Nashville area and when Buffalo beat the Titans the Tennessee fans made our usual angry "posters" on TBD look minor league! Face it, we live in the fast food era, we want it and we want it now! I have been with this team since 1965 and have seen times far more depressing than what we have now. McDermott and Beane are not doing that bad and I am willing to give them at least until December 2019 and not torch everything they do! I am actually getting excited about the Sabres! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Watching other teams is much more enjoyable because of my disproportionate emotional investment in the Bills 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 I watch other teams because of fan duel and my fantasy teams. We really are bottom feeders. Watching a Bills game is more like emotional torture at this point. Every time I see the good teams, I think why can't the Bills do that? Why don't the Bills run that play? Why don't the Bills make those plays? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPP Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Dont compare this team to others it would be just too depressing.....hell even last season they played like crap for the most part......we did not deserve to make it into the playoffs at the way they played.....we got extremely lucky only because a good part of the AFC were not that impressive and most importantly ANDY DALTON...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 The Bill's always seem to be the team that neglects the most important aspect of the NFL... passing league is passing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted October 27, 2018 Author Share Posted October 27, 2018 Some of you are incurable LOL Like if other teams were all so much better. The Bills were average for the most part. Only this year have they become doormats. Anyway, one of my points is that designed plays that can be practiced even by the least talented teams should be seen. KC is loaded to the core so of course you can't replicate their versatility and complexity. Cheatriots have Brady but I watched their opening drive and 95% of the success was all scheme and basic execution. As the game goes on of course talent takes over by a wide margin. But good coaching should help have some initial success, and then help get some ryhtmn and be tailored to your players' strengths and weaknesses. It seems a crap shoot to me so far, as if Daboll relies on luck, and can't really analyze tendencies and his own players. Roman designed great plays but was bad at calling them during games. His obsession at supposedly adjusting to the other teams' strengths meant the Bills O had no identity. It's called outsmarting yourself. With Daboll I see little logic though in his defense he discovers Allen and the team's identity as they go along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Yes I have and it looks like the forward pass is now legal. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemfield2622 Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 Nope, I don't I'm incredibly stubborn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 27, 2018 Share Posted October 27, 2018 I see a lot of the Rams because I'm in their broadcast area and it's depressing to watch Bob Woods making plays. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 2 hours ago, BillsRdue said: I watch other teams because of fan duel and my fantasy teams. We really are bottom feeders. Watching a Bills game is more like emotional torture at this point. Every time I see the good teams, I think why can't the Bills do that? Why don't the Bills run that play? Why don't the Bills make those plays? Oh well, check out a NY Giants game----maybe that will cheer you up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Jerome007 said: Some of you are incurable LOL Like if other teams were all so much better. The Bills were average for the most part. Only this year have they become doormats. Anyway, one of my points is that designed plays that can be practiced even by the least talented teams should be seen. KC is loaded to the core so of course you can't replicate their versatility and complexity. Cheatriots have Brady but I watched their opening drive and 95% of the success was all scheme and basic execution. As the game goes on of course talent takes over by a wide margin. But good coaching should help have some initial success, and then help get some ryhtmn and be tailored to your players' strengths and weaknesses. It seems a crap shoot to me so far, as if Daboll relies on luck, and can't really analyze tendencies and his own players. Roman designed great plays but was bad at calling them during games. His obsession at supposedly adjusting to the other teams' strengths meant the Bills O had no identity. It's called outsmarting yourself. With Daboll I see little logic though in his defense he discovers Allen and the team's identity as they go along. was this written by a human being or an algorithm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Just about every NFL fanbase thinks their teams offensive line sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 (edited) no, I don't. maybe a few plays of a mon or thus nite game, otherwise no. the bills are the only thing keeping (as painful as it is at times) me watching. otherwise the refs with the bad calls and rule changes are ever more increasing my disinterest in the nfl period. Edited October 28, 2018 by no name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 When I watch other NFL teams it makes me realize how inept we are on offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 38 minutes ago, zow2 said: Just about every NFL fanbase thinks their teams offensive line sucks. And most of them are right. OL play is mediocre across the NFL. Very few teams have a dominant line. Even so, offenses are scoring more throughout the league. The Bills havent managed to join in this offensive resurgence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 2 hours ago, LeGOATski said: I see a lot of the Rams because I'm in their broadcast area and it's depressing to watch Bob Woods making plays. Ditto since St Louis has that previous Rams connection, games tend to be televised here 47 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: When I watch other NFL teams it makes me realize how inept we are on offense I don't know whether to "like" this because you're correct, or "sad" this because the situation sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrion Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 most other teams can score points. The Bills can't. 4 WRs have thrown touchdown passes in the league this year. Four. the Bills have three touchdown passes on the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 4 hours ago, Boca BIlls said: The Bill's always seem to be the team that neglects the most important aspect of the NFL... passing league is passing. Tell your parents that Boca... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, JPP said: ...we did not deserve to make it into the playoffs at the way they played.... If we didn't deserve it, who did? the Bills have played the Dalton role before. Leodis picking off Fit z in the EZ in 2015 for example. Sure the AFC may have been down ,but we capitalized on it for once. Good for us. Makes me happy. And if other teams were better why didn't they end up ahead of us instead of behind? Puzzling. go Bills !!! Edited October 28, 2018 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 12 hours ago, Jerome007 said: Do you guys watch other games on the regular? I used to, now I will catch a few pieces here and there. Still, it's good to have comparisons and an outside perspective. First. very few teams, if any in fact, are complete. All have some glaring weaknesses on offense and/or defense. Good OLines are rare but damn do they make a difference. And if we analyzed their draft picks and trades, all of them have failures. It's like when we watch other teams we mostly notice the obvious and mainly their good things, while we overanalyze the Bills and all their mistakes. That out of the way, it's quite obvious that the play selection on offense here is too basic. Forget the limited talent. Watch some opening drives by other teams: the reverses, quick passes to the slant, misdirections, play actions, etc. could ALL be done by the Bills. The long pass plays are rare for the most part but they have some - while for some reason Allen didn't have some in his last games. Because of playcalling, 1-3 times a game a receiver is wide open. And you know what, it happened here too before. You think O'Reilly got so open because of his speed? Daboll really to up his game! He calls way too basic plays. Talent is limited but not THAT limited! Anything you guys notice? Again the goal is not to vomit all over the Bills staff as typical here and as if other teams didn't make also many bonehead moves. But just to discuss what could be so much better quickly with the current roster. Our QBs have sucked for decades. It’s the main reason we don’t look like the good teams when you watch us play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwistofFate Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 12 hours ago, SoTier said: I watch lots of other teams' games, which is why I see just how out of step with the rest of the NFL the Bills are. Hell, they are even out of step with previous Bills teams from 2014-2016. While other teams make mistakes with personnel, no team has given away its best talent with little to show for it as consistently as the Bills have done since John Butler and AJ Smith left for San Diego back in 2001, and no Bills team -- maybe no team in NFL history -- has stripped itself of so much talent in such a short time and replaced it with so little. Eagles did. They fired their coach. Drafted well. Won a Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 5 hours ago, TwistofFate said: Eagles did. They fired their coach. Drafted well. Won a Super Bowl. Chip Kelly wasn't in charge of personnel long enough (less than a year) to gut the Eagles as thoroughly as McDermott has gutted the Bills. Of course, the Eagles had more talent than the Bills had to begin with -- and a quality FO in place with a smart enough owner to know to cut his losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 12 hours ago, no name said: no, I don't. maybe a few plays of a mon or thus nite game, otherwise no. the bills are the only thing keeping (as painful as it is at times) me watching. otherwise the refs with the bad calls and rule changes are ever more increasing my disinterest in the nfl period. same. it’s a watered down product that’s turned into a 3+ hour commercial. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 I watch 4-6 games every week. We don't have QB that can make those plays on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Process Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 21 hours ago, jethro_tull said: Yeah and unfortunately the better teams seem to play much "bigger", faster and quicker than the Bills. This has been the case for way too long. ....and many times what you are looking at are former Bills players.....I'm tired of telling my wife.....yep we had him....we had him....or....we could have had him....(Mahommes) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 (edited) Not as much as I like but enough. 75% of the league is separated by 1 or 2 plays, only a couple teams have consistency enough to avoid that statement. For as awful as the roster gut and offense have been, I'm just as impressed with what we have done with our defense. Some NFL fans have been crying about how they can't help but allow 30 points a week. I would find that to be a much greater frustration and negative stain on our team and coach than our current situation of being offensively challenged. We seem void of talent on both sides in effort to rebuild but again we are playing top 5 defense (6th according to DVOA). Edited October 28, 2018 by KzooMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobChalmers Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 (edited) I do watch a lot of other games - the most obvious thing that slaps you in the face is just how much more open other teams' receivers are than the Bills. Our WRs are truly awful, or our scheme is awful - or maybe both. Offensively we just aren't playing the same game as most of the league. I would temper some comments here about playing "big" or "physical" - over the past several years (not this year), we've actually had (at times anyway) a pretty physical offensive line and have been able to get good results from a whole string of RB's even before Shady. Edited October 28, 2018 by BobChalmers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Is it bad that i enjoy the 1-6 Giants games more then the Bills games (not including the Vikings game)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 Ill watch other games until the refs start screwing everything up. So about 10 mins of other games a week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 I watch the Bills game, the best "other" matchup of the day on Sunday, if it appeals to me, and then almost always Sunday Night Football. Then during the week MNF and TNF if the games are good. All of this, other than the Bills, pre-recorded on DVR of course so I can FF through all pre-game BS, in-game BS, commercials, half time, and everything else. There is a lot more "other stuff" than actual football in a 3 hour 15 minute football game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 On 10/27/2018 at 12:18 PM, Jerome007 said: Do you guys watch other games on the regular? Yes, especially this year. Just to not watch a HC foolishly clapping as his offense is looking like an all-time worse. That is just bizarre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 On 10/27/2018 at 12:18 PM, Jerome007 said: Do you guys watch other games on the regular? I used to, now I will catch a few pieces here and there. Still, it's good to have comparisons and an outside perspective. First. very few teams, if any in fact, are complete. All have some glaring weaknesses on offense and/or defense. Good OLines are rare but damn do they make a difference. And if we analyzed their draft picks and trades, all of them have failures. It's like when we watch other teams we mostly notice the obvious and mainly their good things, while we overanalyze the Bills and all their mistakes. That out of the way, it's quite obvious that the play selection on offense here is too basic. Forget the limited talent. Watch some opening drives by other teams: the reverses, quick passes to the slant, misdirections, play actions, etc. could ALL be done by the Bills. The long pass plays are rare for the most part but they have some - while for some reason Allen didn't have some in his last games. Because of playcalling, 1-3 times a game a receiver is wide open. And you know what, it happened here too before. You think O'Reilly got so open because of his speed? Daboll really to up his game! He calls way too basic plays. Talent is limited but not THAT limited! Anything you guys notice? Again the goal is not to vomit all over the Bills staff as typical here and as if other teams didn't make also many bonehead moves. But just to discuss what could be so much better quickly with the current roster. I base my opinions on the highlights I see. All I see other teams do is score touchdowns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted October 28, 2018 Share Posted October 28, 2018 I find it funny that the Rams are 7-0 and their game today appears to have a Packers crowd and then some. But we need two teams in LA right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 I'm torn every time i watch the Bills they loss the last game i went to was at the Ralph when Gailey was the coach & they played the Patriots, the Bills went in at half time with a lead & come out & somebody had replaced the Bills with a imposter & Brady & company came out & dismantled the Bills & won ! So since then i haven't been to a game & i don't know that i want to watch tomorrow because i'm finally out of therapy & it could bring back the night mares ! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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