******* Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 According to Next Gen stats, NOBODY in the NFL has had MORE 'TIME TO THROW' than Josh Allen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 I gotta call bull **** on these stats (or at least how they’re computed). Nonsense 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) I need to see the numbers. I’m not buying it. Do they keep the clock running while he is running for his life? Edited October 2, 2018 by buffaloboyinATL 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Here's an answer why we suck. Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Buffalo Bills (62 percent owned) This is the most predictable stat of the season: Among all receivers with at least 20 passing looks, Kelvin Benjamin is dead last (159th-of-159) in yards of separation at the catch point, per Next Gen Stats. Last year, Benjamin was also dead last in yards of separation among receivers (129th-of-129). A black hole for passing production at this point, Benjamin has caught just 7 of his 21 targets -- 10 of which have been "catchable" (per PFF). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 More time and fewer receivers to throw to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, ******* said: According to Next Gen stats, NOBODY in the NFL has had MORE 'TIME TO THROW' than Josh Allen Is that time in the pocket or total time when he’s running like a headless chicken and heaves up a prayer? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 That’s actually impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 We have a terrible oline, they need to redo their analysis if that is the answer they found. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, GG said: Is that time in the pocket or total time when he’s running like a headless chicken and heaves up a prayer? The latter. Time from snap until throw/sack/scramble past LOS. Same true of TT last year. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: The latter. Time from snap until throw/sack/scramble past LOS. Same true of TT last year. Kind of a meaningless stat then 6 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, GG said: Kind of a meaningless stat then Yes, for a mobile QB. That said, there are plays on film where Allen has guys open and there is a pocket/protection, but he isn't seeing them/pulling the trigger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Just now, GG said: Kind of a meaningless stat then Yes. A better stat would measure something like “time to release or pocket collapse.” Obviously not all plays would qualify - designed rollouts/bootlegs wouldn’t really count, but I think overall it would paint a better picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 20 minutes ago, ******* said: According to Next Gen stats, NOBODY in the NFL has had MORE 'TIME TO THROW' than Josh Allen Hey, where's the guy that always replies to one or these with "link or it doesn't exist"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) I’m surprised they’d even let this stat get out. This is the kind of thing that completely ruins your credibility. This is garbage data and anyone watching Allen behind that line knows they need to look at what they’re actually collecting. Next gen, hope not? Edited October 2, 2018 by Bobby Hooks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 It’s counting snap to the time he throws it. So when a LB comes untouched and he’s running for his life...you can’t say he had 4 seconds to throw the ball. These stats don’t take in any context. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Garbage indeed. And an insult to every serious fan out there. I can’t believe anyone consumes this crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 19 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said: I gotta call bull **** on these stats (or at least how they’re computed). Nonsense If the clock continues while he’s turning, and running for his life.....maybe? No, there is no discounting how bad this blocking is. Even Josh admits he should be quicker to get the ball out, but we need to build the OLine. And find the best coach money can buy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Just another example of "stats not telling the whole story" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiserplayer Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Our problem is the receivers getting separation. When you hear its taking too much time for the play to develop it means ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 4 minutes ago, Augie said: If the clock continues while he’s turning, and running for his life.....maybe? No, there is no discounting how bad this blocking is. Even Josh admits he should be quicker to get the ball out, but we need to build the OLine. And find the best coach money can buy. Online coach or head coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 1 minute ago, BringBackFergy said: Online coach or head coach? We need a Wade Phillips for the offense. I believe in the FO and McD. Castillo is a huge question mark. How does he keep his job? By blaming the talent? I think BOTH are in question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 In all fairness, he bailed on clean pockets allllllll day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
familykwi Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 This stat is particularly skewed since Allen holds the ball WAY too long. Other QBs release the ball quickly, so their time holding the ball is far lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Some one mentioned TT but yeah.. allen was looking like tyrod on sunday... got to let the kid keep playing though and hope by the end of the year we are all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 My eyes saw unstopped blitzes getting immediate pressure......followed up with lack of committment to run the ball (because our OL cant run block) Take a look at how KC was running the ball tonight.....and tell me that does not help a QB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 1 hour ago, ******* said: According to Next Gen stats, NOBODY in the NFL has had MORE 'TIME TO THROW' than Josh Allen Hilarious. Torture numbers and they’ll admit to anything. Next thread please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 So that means the OL is good? Lets get back to drafting defense then.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 All this means is either Allen takes the longest to read the defense and pull the trigger, or his WRs take the longest to get separation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 2 hours ago, BillsRdue said: Here's an answer why we suck. Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Buffalo Bills (62 percent owned) This is the most predictable stat of the season: Among all receivers with at least 20 passing looks, Kelvin Benjamin is dead last (159th-of-159) in yards of separation at the catch point, per Next Gen Stats. Last year, Benjamin was also dead last in yards of separation among receivers (129th-of-129). A black hole for passing production at this point, Benjamin has caught just 7 of his 21 targets -- 10 of which have been "catchable" (per PFF). True.......I said before the season KB might get 120-150 targets this season without EVER being open. But that is also in part because he is basically a TE playing wide against good corners who have nobody else to cover. And good CB's shut TE's down. Even great TE's are !@#$ed if they gotta' play opposite a good corner. The Bills of the 90's always struggled with TE's because they used safeties on them.......and then one day Wade got smart and put tiny Antoine Winfield on the giant Tony Gonzalez and basically erased Tony G. 22 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: This gif is a great illustration of why McCoy was actually on the bench for most of the game. When it comes to blitz pickup he has always been inexplicably bad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 10 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: True.......I said before the season KB might get 120-150 targets this season without EVER being open. But that is also in part because he is basically a TE playing wide against good corners who have nobody else to cover. And good CB's shut TE's down. Even great TE's are !@#$ed if they gotta' play opposite a good corner. The Bills of the 90's always struggled with TE's because they used safeties on them.......and then one day Wade got smart and put tiny Antoine Winfield on the giant Tony Gonzalez and basically erased Tony G. This gif is a great illustration of why McCoy was actually on the bench for most of the game. When it comes to blitz pickup he has always been inexplicably bad. how fast you think that defender was on Josh on that play.....less then a second? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: how fast you think that defender was on Josh on that play.....less then a second? Yeah McCoy has to put up some kind of resistance. Do you remember when one of the advanced stat services tagged him as the league's worst blitz pickup RB and lowered his grade significantly and he got all pissed about it? That gif is why he gets called out for his pass blocking effort. He slows down that rusher and maybe Allen can get out of the pocket and make a play. Hell Mahomes had nearly 200 yards from out of the pocket tonight..........most by any NFL QB in more than a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 (edited) Is it me or does this team need to run the ball 60% of the time? I’m talking smash the ball forward for 1-4 yards a time for the games first 3 Qtrs mixing in some play action. Perhaps only until a team is tired can we begin to switch over to the pass & relying on our opponents fatigue which would lead to separation. Edited October 2, 2018 by Dr.Sack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthomas Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 45 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: cmon, Allen held on to the ball for a whole 3 seconds. 1 to step back & 2 with the defender all over him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 2 hours ago, Elite Poster said: In all fairness, he bailed on clean pockets allllllll day. LOL.....this is a joke right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 No doubt Allen's inner clock needs a reset, but Green Bay was happy to do it for him all afternoon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 All that shows is he is good at keeping a play alive as long as possible with his feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Psh... only because Tyrod is hurt... 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: This gif is a great illustration of why McCoy was actually on the bench for most of the game. When it comes to blitz pickup he has always been inexplicably bad. How is McCoy supposed to fake getting a handoff and block a free rusher simultaneously? You may be right, but this play is not an illustration of that. That one is on the oline and play call. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderGun Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yes, for a mobile QB. That said, there are plays on film where Allen has guys open and there is a pocket/protection, but he isn't seeing them/pulling the trigger. I must've missed those plays... chances are, if anybody "gets open", it's well after protection has broken down and Allen is already running for his life. What the Bills are doing right now is a lesson in how you do not develop a quarterback... this organization is a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 5 hours ago, ******* said: According to Next Gen stats, NOBODY in the NFL has had MORE 'TIME TO THROW' than Josh Allen Yeah because he is running for his life which adds "time" to throw. That said there are some things Allen needs to work on : 1. Accuracy under pressure. He throws great in a clean pocket but panics when being rushed and is just chucking the ball out of there. 2. Stepping up in the pocket. Not doing so lead to some unnecessary sacks and bad throws. 3. Making better reads and progressions. Self explanatory and should come with time. Allen was not my first choice but I believe in him and this staff and am counting on Beane to reconstruct this offense next yr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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