McBeane gave Peterman his shot....

[BillsFan130]

Great question. He has no business being in the NFL

[GunnerBill]

I have a used tissue that I think has more value than Nathan Peterman as an NFL player. I'm happy to send it to McD and he can suit it up as Josh's backup on Sunday.

[Batman1876]

Based on ESPN's QBR hes the worst QB ever. His 2 non injury starts rank as a .7 and .9.  Those are both bottom 10 performances all time. Lets put that into perspective QBR covers 13 years so 13 years by 16 games by 32 teams equals 6656 QB performances, and thats not even accounting for games when 2 or more QBs played due to injury or blow out. So of 6656 QB performances 2 of the bottom 10 are Peterman. You can say without a doubt that he is the worst ever by that metric. 

[Warcodered]

They'll likely hang on to him until they grab a replacement and bring them up to speed.

[CLTbills]

On 9/10/2018 at 8:16 PM, gr8billsfan said:

im surprised anyone on the starting OL earned their job. Aside from Groy and Dawkins, everyone else must go. ESPECIALLY DucASSe

You want Groy to stay? He's been a turnstile every time he's been on the field thru preseason and the Baltimore game. He was possibly the worst one in Baltimore.

[CountDorkula]

Just now, Warcodered said:

They'll likely hang on to him until they grab a replacement and bring them up to speed.

That should have been done already. Moore should have been brought in the day after and started studying the playbook. You are still talking 2-3 weeks before he is even 50% up to speed. 

[cashdude]

On 9/10/2018 at 9:06 PM, Pasaluki said:

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/FourVerts/status/1039277135624585216

 

Im sorry what were you saying about Groy ?LOL

Yeah I don't know where Groy is good comes from. He is terrible...gets blown up consistently. The whole interior of the OL needs work.

[Prickly Pete]

20 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

Quarterbacks don't improve at quarterbacking from "learning on the sidelines behind a veteran QB."

 

That's just crap fans talk about.

 

They learn by doing.

 

As an side, I agree Peterman should be let go.  This organization should be done with him permanently at this point.

And don't hold your breath waiting for someone to pick him up off waivers.  No one will.

 

 

 

The thing is, if they just cut him, it would make the coach look bad to the players, and incompetent. The team has been watching McD buddy around with NP, talk him up, give him respect, present him as a leader, etc...to just cut him would undermine McD's authority with the players, as well as point out the staff's glaring misjudgement. They can't just suddenly act like he has no business being on an NFL roster.

 

They will sign a journeyman, and talk about it not being a reflection of Petermans play, but that they are always looking for ways to improve this football team, and this opportunity to sign (fill in the blank) was just to good to pass up.

Edited September 14, 2018 by OJ Tom

[TwistofFate]

Lol, I find it absolutely AMUSING that a kid who was a rookie last year, has played one game this year, and has started a total of 3 GAMES is said to have "had his shot," doesn't belong in the NFL, and needs to be cut. 

 

Some of you people are delusional. 

 

I'll be sure to post on here after Allen fails, eats multiple sacks, throws multiple picks, and loses the next couple games. 

 

He has 3 starts and a total of 10 quarters in the NFL to prove he belongs here. 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, TwistofFate said:

Lol, I find it absolutely AMUSING that a kid who was a rookie last year, has played one game this year, and has started a total of 3 GAMES is said to have "had his shot," doesn't belong in the NFL, and needs to be cut. 

 

Some of you people are delusional. 

 

I'll be sure to post on here after Allen fails, eats multiple sacks, throws multiple picks, and loses the next couple games. 

 

He has 3 starts and a total of 10 quarters in the NFL to prove he belongs here. 

 

LOL...

 

In 3 games, he's thrown for 409 passing yards.  276 were to Bills Receivers, 133 were to the opposing defense.  

 

Hasn't been able to complete a game due to being epically bad in a half....not a whole game....a half.  There's a difference between a rookie struggling and someone is just down right awful.

 

Against the Chargers and Ravens starts, he did not throw for a first down.  Not one.  How can you go 4 quarters of football and not throw for one first down?  This probably has never, ever been done before.

 

Nate Peterman isn't a rookie.  He was historically bad as a rookie last year.  Another year, another training camp, another mini camp, more film.....he follows that up with possibly an even worse performance.  

[BuffaloHokie13]

31 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

Lol, I find it absolutely AMUSING that a kid who was a rookie last year, has played one game this year, and has started a total of 3 GAMES is said to have "had his shot," doesn't belong in the NFL, and needs to be cut. 

 

Some of you people are delusional. 

 

I'll be sure to post on here after Allen fails, eats multiple sacks, throws multiple picks, and loses the next couple games. 

 

He has 3 starts and a total of 10 quarters in the NFL to prove he belongs here. 

As long as he doesn't rank 241 out of 241 on QBs over the past 20 years I'll be willing to keep watching Allen.

[zow2]

50 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

Lol, I find it absolutely AMUSING that a kid who was a rookie last year, has played one game this year, and has started a total of 3 GAMES is said to have "had his shot," doesn't belong in the NFL, and needs to be cut. 

 

Some of you people are delusional. 

 

I'll be sure to post on here after Allen fails, eats multiple sacks, throws multiple picks, and loses the next couple games. 

 

He has 3 starts and a total of 10 quarters in the NFL to prove he belongs here. 

 

Peterman wasn't thrown a bone by having his two starts being on the road, I'll give you that.  Even Big Ben is talked about as having poor home/road game splits.   Things are just harder on the road.

 

Home: 18 for 35, 186 yds, 2 TD's, zero Int's

Road:   12 for 35, 104 yds, 0 TD's, 8 Int's

 

Unfortunately for him,  his BAD has been really really bad.  Unless things fall to pieces for Allen this weekend (or he gets hurt)... I don't see Peterman getting on the field again. 

 

I like Nate.   Maybe, for his sake, everything will line up for him get a home start, on a reasonably nice day vs. a middling team like Tenn, Mia or Detroit.   I'm certainly not rooting for it because that would mean something happened to Allen to prevent him from playing.  But ya never know.  I kinda' think Peterman will be fortunate to stick around after this weekend.  I'm sure the Bills are looking around at other backup QB's...someone that has actually started and finished an NFL game in their career without embarrassing himself.   

[reddogblitz]

2 hours ago, Flip Johnson said:

Maybe the optics wouldn't be good if the Bills started Peterman in Week 1 and released him in Week 2. But couldn't he clear waivers and be placed on the practice squad? It would seem like Allen would benefit much more from a Chad Henne, Matt Moore, Derek Anderson, etc. veteran backup, much like the Darnold-McCown situation.

 

Why would  we want him on the Practice Squad?

[BurpleBull]

He just did.

 

 

Now Nathan Peterman didn't light things up obviously and the replacing of Peterman with Josh Allen before game's end was understandable.

 

5 of 18 passing, 24 yards, having thrown his second interception early in the third quarter, fresh out of halftime and you want to see what your rookie first-round QB looks like in real game day action.

 

Fine.

 

But how do you not give Peterman, your most consistent QB all through training camp and preseason at least one more opportunity the following week, to fall in with the demands of regular season football, along with the rest of his teammates and coaching staff?

 

Truth be told, the entire offense seemed to not show up and Brian Daboll was absolutely uncreative as a playcaller...whether intentionally or unintentionally.

 

In fact, it felt like the entire team at times and coaches entered week one in a preseason state of mind. 

 

The Baltimore Ravens seemed to understand that the lights of regular season football were now on, while on offense, the Bills' coaching staff appeared to still be auditioning players in Week 5 of preseason, trying to find out who they could trust on the football field.

 

How else does one explain Daboll marching Peterman out there to pass, pass, and pass some more (as was the case in Week One preseason versus the Carolina Panthers when attempting to grasp Peterman's real standing in the QB competition) and underutilizing LeSean McCoy at a time in the game when the Bills were trailing just 7-0 after the Ravens second drive stalled?

 

Nearly each Bills' offensive series had the feel of a team trying to overcome a three score deficit with four minutes remaining in the entire game.

 

If anything should have been realized this whole off-season, it is that Nathan Peterman is very much a rhythm passer.

 

Where was the rhythm?

 

True enough the O-line did its part to disrupt any steam being picked up time and time again in the first half, but where was Brian Daboll to help combat what was taking place and establish that rhythm as offensive coordinator?

 

I counted four negative plays on Peterman's 18 dropbacks: sack (1st series where he didn't pull the trigger and hit the open receiver), inaccurate throw on 2nd series, overthrow to Benjamin that led to 1st interception, and a lack of pocket poise on a broken play.

 

Peterman tried to push the ball downfield to make something happen at times, in spite of the receivers gaining little separation a lot of times during their one-on-one battles.

 

This added to the incompletions, as did drops, passes batted down, and a throw away.

 

A screen game could have possibly alleviated some of the offensive woes.

 

No McCoy screen game to speak of...Rick Dennison would have been better suited calling Sunday's game.

 

 

Being faced with second-and-long and third-and-long (7 of 10 offensive series), precipitated at times by drive-killing holding penalties, and an offensive line that still needs to be fortified in at least two positions will make things difficult for most QB's and more so for a talented, yet physically limited QB who relies on rhythm to get going.

 

The offense was dead and Peterman again failed to play well enough before a national audience, who remember him for his debacle against the San Diego Chargers a season ago, still the move to replace him feels like one that didn't have to be made...not this soon. 

 

How about drumming up an NFL-level game plan to go along with NFL-level playcalling, with Peterman under center, Week 2 at home, versus the San Diego Chargers for a potentially different and positive outcome?

 

 

You couldn't have convinced me a month ago that part of "The Process", would have included benching your opening day starter after one week of play, in favor of your rookie QB who you shielded for a good portion of the off-season from the complexities of the NFL.

 

 

What's done is done, and it feels like there can be no turning back after making the switch from Peterman, so though I question the timing of the move, I'll be right there rooting for Allen to get the offense going against the Chargers. 

 

 

Go Bills!

 

 

And yes...I still believe Peterman can lead an offense with the right supporting cast. ?

 

 

 

[RoyBatty is alive]

This thread is going to be an adventure for sure.

 

Peterman did get a raw deal,so what, l but he crumbled under the pressure. 

[Teddy KGB]

[Dablitzkrieg]

IMO, Peterman should never start another NFL game again.  He is not a "gamer".  He folds under pressure.  The game appears too fast for him.  He would be a good CFL QB perhaps, but not in the NFL.  I don't believe it was a raw deal, it was just he isn't good unless it is a blizzard or preseason.

[Happy]

Do you think it might help if you watched this past week's game against the Ravens again?  Peterman failed miserably.  Everyone saw it.  

[zow2]

But his base is off,  his base!!

[26CornerBlitz]

Let it go @BurpleBull Peterman quite simply is not an NFL starting caliber talent.  

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

11 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

your most consistent QB all through training camp and preseason

 and the most inconsistent when put in to a meaningful game.

 

at this point I don't even have the belief he can be a viable back up. the kid had his chance and the best job for him is as a teller at M&T bank.

 

why make yourself look foolish? you really can't be that obsessed with him, can you? 

Edited September 14, 2018 by no name

[x-BillzeBubba]

Allen was going to start, sooner or later.  Peterman's play caused it to be sooner. 

 

And really, he should be somewhat relieved it's this week and not when we're 0-5, which would be his epitaph for any future NFL job.

 

 

[Batman1876]

Peterman’s raw deal sounds. .. creepy. 

[BuffaloRush]

In a time when role models in sports are hard to come by and good character is sometimes forgotten, it’s nice to see an athlete like a Nathan Peterman on our football team.  He is humble, soft spoken, professional and generally very likeable.  He also demonstrated a strong work ethic and dedication to the Bills.

 

With that being said, I feel very bad about his NFL career.  On paper it seemed like a Hollywood script.  A 5th round draft pick that is an all-around good guy, gets his shot starting thanks in part to his coach’s unwavering confidence.  After a disaterous football debut in San Diego, he uses this bad experience as motivation and tirelessly works hard at improving.  His hard work pays off, and he gets a second chance to redeem himself and..... he failed almost as bad!?!?!?!?!

 

This just doesn’t seem right.  Call me crazy but this kid deserved better.  From what I have read Nate is one of the first players to arrive at OBD sand one of the last to leave practice.  I personally witnessed him signing autographs for EVERYONE who approached him at St. John Fisher, while about 90% of the coaches and players were already in the locker room.  

 

I think that starting Josh Allen was the right move by Coach McDermott.  He had no choice.  I only wish that the story was different for Peterman.  He seems like a very good guy and hopefully we’ll get that Hollywood ending....just at a later time.  

[Dablitzkrieg]

10 minutes ago, no name said:

 and the most inconsistent when put in to a meaningful game.

 

at this point I don't even have the belief he can be a viable back up. the kid had his chance and the best job for him is as a teller at M&T bank.

 

why make yourself look foolish? you really can't be that obsessed with him, can you? 

Some people have legitimate blind spots for people.  

[Happy]

Peterman seems like a good guy who I wish things would have worked out better.  Just like Tim Tebow is a good guy who the Broncos probably wish it would have worked out better than it did.  Supposedly things happen for a reason, so hopefully better times are ahead for Nate...NFL or not.

[Aussie Joe]

Repeat thread moved in 60 seconds...

 

Mods on the ball today ... ?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said:

In a time when role models in sports are hard to come by and good character is sometimes forgotten, it’s nice to see an athlete like a Nathan Peterman on our football team.  He is humble, soft spoken, professional and generally very likeable.  He also demonstrated a strong work ethic and dedication to the Bills.

 

With that being said, I feel very bad about his NFL career.  On paper it seemed like a Hollywood script.  A 5th round draft pick that is an all-around good guy, gets his shot starting thanks in part to his coach’s unwavering confidence.  After a disaterous football debut in San Diego, he uses this bad experience as motivation and tirelessly works hard at improving.  His hard work pays off, and he gets a second chance to redeem himself and..... he failed almost as bad!?!?!?!?!

 

This just doesn’t seem right.  Call me crazy but this kid deserved better.  From what I have read Nate is one of the first players to arrive at OBD sand one of the last to leave practice.  I personally witnessed him signing autographs for EVERYONE who approached him at St. John Fisher, while about 90% of the coaches and players were already in the locker room.  

 

I think that starting Josh Allen was the right move by Coach McDermott.  He had no choice.  I only wish that the story was different for Peterman.  He seems like a very good guy and hopefully we’ll get that Hollywood ending....just at a later time.  

 

Yes, I feel bad for him, but many people don't get what they "deserve", both good and bad.

 

Having a strong work ethic and dedication don't make one a good pro football player. 

 

Someone said if you're 6'4" you have to prove you can play basketball.  if you're 6'11 you get to prove you can't. 

 

Similar thing applies to top vs 5th round draft picks.

[reddogblitz]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said:

This just doesn’t seem right.  Call me crazy but this kid deserved better.  From what I have read Nate is one of the first players to arrive at OBD sand one of the last to leave practice.  I personally witnessed him signing autographs for EVERYONE who approached him at St. John Fisher, while about 90% of the coaches and players were already in the locker room.  

 

Who had a better chance, Nasty Nate or Cardale Jones?  And Cardale was even drafted higher.

 

Nasty Nate had a much better chance than most non first round rookie QBs get.  and he screwed the pooch much worse. 

 

He should never play another down for the Bills.  I wouldn't even trust him on  kneel down.

Edited September 14, 2018 by reddogblitz

[Foxx]

8 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said:

In a time when role models in sports are hard to come by and good character is sometimes forgotten, it’s nice to see an athlete like a Nathan Peterman on our football team.  He is humble, soft spoken, professional and generally very likeable.  He also demonstrated a strong work ethic and dedication to the Bills.

 

With that being said, I feel very bad about his NFL career.  On paper it seemed like a Hollywood script.  A 5th round draft pick that is an all-around good guy, gets his shot starting thanks in part to his coach’s unwavering confidence.  After a disaterous football debut in San Diego, he uses this bad experience as motivation and tirelessly works hard at improving.  His hard work pays off, and he gets a second chance to redeem himself and..... he failed almost as bad!?!?!?!?!

 

This just doesn’t seem right.  Call me crazy but this kid deserved better.  From what I have read Nate is one of the first players to arrive at OBD sand one of the last to leave practice.  I personally witnessed him signing autographs for EVERYONE who approached him at St. John Fisher, while about 90% of the coaches and players were already in the locker room.  

 

I think that starting Josh Allen was the right move by Coach McDermott.  He had no choice.  I only wish that the story was different for Peterman.  He seems like a very good guy and hopefully we’ll get that Hollywood ending....just at a later time.  

feel bad for a man playing a kids game? seriously? did he lose his big girl panties or something?

 

role models are everywhere if you look close enough. it is just that asshats are everywhere these days and they obscure the positive. the time for looking for external saviours should have passed long ago, unfortunately it has not.

[njbuff]

I freaking KNEW that Peterman wouldn't last the first half of the first game. And I am just a stupid fan.

 

If I can see this, how come McDermott couldn't?

Edited September 14, 2018 by njbuff

[Spiderweb]

On 9/10/2018 at 8:16 PM, gr8billsfan said:

im surprised anyone on the starting OL earned their job. Aside from Groy and Dawkins, everyone else must go. ESPECIALLY DucASSe

Miller and Ducasse have zero ability to anchor. Watching them get pushed into Peterman and then Allen was absolutely disgusting.

[prissythecat]

43 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

.....

 

 

Now Nathan Peterman didn't light things up obviously and the replacing of Peterman with Josh Allen before game's end was understandable.

 

That is the understatement of the week

43 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

......

 

 

If anything should have been realized this whole off-season, it is that Nathan Peterman is very much a rhythm passer.

 

Where was the rhythm?

 

A good QB shouldn't need rely on being in rhythm.  Need to be able to work through frequent disruptions which any good D will throw at you

 

43 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

.....

The offense was dead and Peterman again failed to play well enough before a national audience, who remember him for his debacle against the San Diego Chargers a season ago, still the move to replace him feels like one that didn't have to be made...not this soon. 

 

I did start a thread where I asked if Peterman got pulled too early .  Most posters though felt that the notion was absurd =)

 

43 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

How about drumming up an NFL-level game plan to go along with NFL-level playcalling, with Peterman under center, Week 2 at home, versus the San Diego Chargers for a potentially different and positive outcome?

 

......

 

 

And yes...I still believe Peterman can lead an offense with the right supporting cast. ?

 

So we just need to build the right team for Peterman to become Brees?

 

43 minutes ago, BurpleBull said:

 

 

 

[reddogblitz]

14 minutes ago, prissythecat said:

I did start a thread where I asked if Peterman got pulled too early .  Most posters though felt that the notion was absurd ?

 

Nasty Nate was pulled at the right time.  He was starting to fall in to old habits of ducking and chucking.  If he were allowed to stay in he would have thrown a couple of more of those.

[Prickly Pete]

1 hour ago, BuffaloRush said:

In a time when role models in sports are hard to come by and good character is sometimes forgotten, it’s nice to see an athlete like a Nathan Peterman on our football team.  He is humble, soft spoken, professional and generally very likeable.  He also demonstrated a strong work ethic and dedication to the Bills.

 

With that being said, I feel very bad about his NFL career.  On paper it seemed like a Hollywood script.  A 5th round draft pick that is an all-around good guy, gets his shot starting thanks in part to his coach’s unwavering confidence.  After a disaterous football debut in San Diego, he uses this bad experience as motivation and tirelessly works hard at improving.  His hard work pays off, and he gets a second chance to redeem himself and..... he failed almost as bad!?!?!?!?!

 

This just doesn’t seem right.  Call me crazy but this kid deserved better.  From what I have read Nate is one of the first players to arrive at OBD sand one of the last to leave practice.  I personally witnessed him signing autographs for EVERYONE who approached him at St. John Fisher, while about 90% of the coaches and players were already in the locker room.  

 

I think that starting Josh Allen was the right move by Coach McDermott.  He had no choice.  I only wish that the story was different for Peterman.  He seems like a very good guy and hopefully we’ll get that Hollywood ending....just at a later time.  

 

He glad-handed his way into the lineup. 

Such a sweet boy.

 

 

[atlbillsfan1975]

11 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said:

He's had a tough start to his career. It's not over. Especially considering both starts were on the road vs good defense and the Bills offense lacked weapons. 

Totally agree that his career is still very early. Selfishly I hope he doesn’t get another shot as a starter for the Bills. I’d rather see this Sunday by the first of a long Allen Era. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

On 9/10/2018 at 8:05 PM, realtruelove said:

Because he "earned it"  My guess is McBeane already had Josh's backup on his radar and this game 1 audition was Peterman's last chance to prove he could play under "live" fire.  They intended for Allen to start very early in the season when they traded McCarron.  Watch them sign Paxton Lynch.

 

...so in your view, where was McD in the decision making process?...just curious.............

[PlayoffsPlease]

My hot take: Peterman is not good. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...Peterman is an enigma......performed decently in TC and pre-season with rubber bullets....come "live ammo", he wilted faster than OTAG on a good day.....baffling............

[reddogblitz]

20 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Totally agree that his career is still very early. Selfishly I hope he doesn’t get another shot as a starter for the Bills. I’d rather see this Sunday by the first of a long Allen Era. 

 

I suspect his career is just about over.  In the late stages.