Who wants to try and win this year, and who wants to see development?

[Steptide]

Seems to be 2 sides to the fans lately. The fans that want to try and win and start whoever gives us the best chance, and the fans who want to start Allen regardless of how bad he might be to get experience and develop. 

 

I'm on the side of whoever gives us the best chance to win. Call me selfish, but I want more of what we had at the end of last season. I understand Peterman or Allen or McCarron may not get us to the playoffs this year. But I personally have seen so many seasons of developing a qb with this team (Losman, Edwards, Manuel) that I really don't want another 5 or 6 win season just so we can go into next season with some hope. I personally don't care if Peterman is our starter for the next 4 years if he's THAT good. Romo sat 4 seasons before he became starter. No I don't expect Allen to sit that long, but I also don't wanna see this team crash and burn this year, only to hope that the team is better next year. 

[RochesterRob]

Just now, Steptide said:

Seems to be 2 sides to the fans lately. The fans that want to try and win and start whoever gives us the best chance, and the fans who want to start Allen regardless of how bad he might be to get experience and develop. 

 

I'm on the side of whoever gives us the best chance to win. Call me selfish, but I want more of what we had at the end of last season. I understand Peterman or Allen or McCarron may not get us to the playoffs this year. But I personally have seen so many seasons of developing a qb with this team (Losman, Edwards, Manuel) that I really don't want another 5 or 6 win season just so we can go into next season with some hope. I personally don't care if Peterman is our starter for the next 4 years if he's THAT good. Romo sat 4 seasons before he became starter. No I don't expect Allen to sit that long, but I also don't wanna see this team crash and burn this year, only to hope that the team is better next year. 

  Coming off of the draft I think most would have said development.  Camp made us a little too optimistic for the coming season.  I think that we have too many areas of uncertainty to expect anything other than development.  Keep our 2019 picks and have more expectations for that season.

[teef]

I wasn’t expecting much at all this year, so for me it’sall about development. Especially at the qb position.  That being said, I don’t expect to see a train wreck of a season either.  Gradual progress would make me happy. 

[PlayoffsPlease]

4 minutes ago, Steptide said:

Seems to be 2 sides to the fans lately. The fans that want to try and win and start whoever gives us the best chance, and the fans who want to start Allen regardless of how bad he might be to get experience and develop. 

 

I'm on the side of whoever gives us the best chance to win. Call me selfish, but I want more of what we had at the end of last season. I understand Peterman or Allen or McCarron may not get us to the playoffs this year. But I personally have seen so many seasons of developing a qb with this team (Losman, Edwards, Manuel) that I really don't want another 5 or 6 win season just so we can go into next season with some hope. I personally don't care if Peterman is our starter for the next 4 years if he's THAT good. Romo sat 4 seasons before he became starter. No I don't expect Allen to sit that long, but I also don't wanna see this team crash and burn this year, only to hope that the team is better next year. 

The beauty of this is that Allen does both. Gives the Bills the best chance to have a winning season, and will have better development than sitting on the bench. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

I'm on the side of getting Allen in there right now.

 

Waiting until the team is perfect is not realistic in my opinion. 

 

At the latest Allen has to be starting by 2019. 

 

 

[Jauronimo]

Both please.  I do not believe the two are mutually exclusive.

Edited August 27, 2018 by Jauronimo

[Foreigner]

This was stupid. The coaches and players are professionals who get paid. Why would they not try and win?

 

We are living in todays' world. Who cares about next year at this point, but don't worry because with this

OL there will not be many wins with whoever is sacrificed at QB this year. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, RochesterRob said:

  Coming off of the draft I think most would have said development.  Camp made us a little too optimistic for the coming season.  I think that we have too many areas of uncertainty to expect anything other than development.  Keep our 2019 picks and have more expectations for that season.

 

 

..saying less is WTF.......first, the landscape is littered here with 4-12, 5-11 or 6-10 prognostications rationally.......secondly it was McBeane's FIRST DRAFT as a rook GM.....thirdly, are we talkin' irrational exuberance or just plain ignorance?....Bi-Polar 101 defined with 4-12, 5-11 or 6-10 prognostications AND instant gratification?.....good Lord, calling this a "dichotomy" is a vast understatement........

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, teef said:

I wasn’t expecting much at all this year, so for me it’sall about development. Especially at the qb position.  That being said, I don’t expect to see a train wreck of a season either.  Gradual progress would make me happy. 

I’m in this boat but I expect it to be a little worse than you do. I bet under 6.5 last week and don’t regret it. I hope it is a donation but at least it’s a hedge. This is a 3 year process IMO. If Allen proves that he can play I’m not worried about much else this year. Hopefully we find some guys that can play (maybe Teller for example) and worry about everything else next offseason.  Let’s load up next year and take our shot. 

[teef]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I’m in this boat but I expect it to be a little worse than you do. I bet under 6.5 last week and don’t regret it. I hope it is a donation but at least it’s a hedge. This is a 3 year process IMO. If Allen proves that he can play I’m not worried about much else this year. Hopefully we find some guys that can play (maybe Teller for example) and worry about everything else next offseason.  Let’s load up next year and take our shot. 

If Allen and Edmunds both look like they’re going to develop into the guys we need them to be, I’ll be satisfied. I just don’t know what to think after the Cincy game. It had that Rex Ryan type disorganization to it. 

[Dr.Sack]

If we play this out conservatively a similar argument could be made next year that Allen is not ready and has limited experience. This isn’t the 2004 Chargers with 4th year veteran Drew Brees. Peterman is not Drew Brees. Brees never had a game like Peterman had against LA last year. Furthermore Allen needs to take a beating in 2018 to learn. 

 

In 2004 rookie Big Ben was not ready but started nonetheless. He was told to play it conservatively and didn’t do much his first year statistically. 

 

I see Alleen enduring on the worse end an Aikman like 1989. On the top end we will get a Big Ben 2004 season. I don’t care about winning in 2018. This is all about letting the rookie battle through the growing pains.

[Seanbillsfan2206]

Anything less than 9-7 will be a disappointment 

[reddogblitz]

Just win baby

[Marv's Neighbor]

Winning should always be NO1.  If we can win, development will take care of itself.

[Putin]

24 minutes ago, Steptide said:

Seems to be 2 sides to the fans lately. The fans that want to try and win and start whoever gives us the best chance, and the fans who want to start Allen regardless of how bad he might be to get experience and develop. 

 

I'm on the side of whoever gives us the best chance to win. Call me selfish, but I want more of what we had at the end of last season. I understand Peterman or Allen or McCarron may not get us to the playoffs this year. But I personally have seen so many seasons of developing a qb with this team (Losman, Edwards, Manuel) that I really don't want another 5 or 6 win season just so we can go into next season with some hope. I personally don't care if Peterman is our starter for the next 4 years if he's THAT good. Romo sat 4 seasons before he became starter. No I don't expect Allen to sit that long, but I also don't wanna see this team crash and burn this year, only to hope that the team is better next year. 

Both 

[berg1029]

I fall into the "both" category.  Let Peterman start, he's earned it.  He has looked good all preseason.  Give the guy a shot, forget what happened last year.  If he turns things around, it's a great feel good story and he will become trade bait or our franchise QB. If he doesn't impress then you let Allen play once Peterman has proved he is not the guy and the Bills are out of it. 

[Victory Formation]

Playoffs first, if or when we're out of the playoffs hunt we bench Peterman for Allen.

[corta765]

I WANT BOTHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

[dayman]

41 minutes ago, Steptide said:

Seems to be 2 sides to the fans lately. The fans that want to try and win and start whoever gives us the best chance, and the fans who want to start Allen regardless of how bad he might be to get experience and develop. 

 

I'm on the side of whoever gives us the best chance to win. Call me selfish, but I want more of what we had at the end of last season. I understand Peterman or Allen or McCarron may not get us to the playoffs this year. But I personally have seen so many seasons of developing a qb with this team (Losman, Edwards, Manuel) that I really don't want another 5 or 6 win season just so we can go into next season with some hope. I personally don't care if Peterman is our starter for the next 4 years if he's THAT good. Romo sat 4 seasons before he became starter. No I don't expect Allen to sit that long, but I also don't wanna see this team crash and burn this year, only to hope that the team is better next year. 

 

Agreed. Just win baby.

 

A little thought exercise--imagine we win the Superbowl. Feels good. What a rush. Then what? Then nothing. Your life won't change. Nothing magical happens.  Ultimately, the key to this whole football fan thing is enjoying Sundays as much as possible. No point in pissing a single Sunday down the drain. 

[Playoffs?]

Obviously want both.. but if the Bills know they won’t win much this year, do they trade Shady now?

[reddogblitz]

52 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

In 2004 rookie Big Ben was not ready but started nonetheless. He was told to play it conservatively and didn’t do much his first year statistically.  

 

He didn't do much statistically in SB XL either.

[without a drought]

It's easier for a bad team to work on development than it is for them to win.

[bg17]

Beane has said many times his job is to win today and win tomorrow. I’m on board with that kind of thinking. 

[NewEra]

Win as many games as we can while developing the young guys we have.  Progress 

[Steptide]

4 minutes ago, bg17 said:

Beane has said many times his job is to win today and win tomorrow. I’m on board with that kind of thinking. 

I still don't even know what that means exactly, as well as trust the process 

[reddogblitz]

30 minutes ago, dayman said:

 

Agreed. Just win baby.

 

A little thought exercise--imagine we win the Superbowl. Feels good. What a rush. Then what? Then nothing. Your life won't change. Nothing magical happens.  Ultimately, the key to this whole football fan thing is enjoying Sundays as much as possible. No point in pissing a single Sunday down the drain. 

 

Amen and double Amen.

 

I just wanna win as many games as possible. while many were pissed because we went to playoffs last year and lost in the first round.  I thought it was awesome because it made the stretch run of November and December fun for once.  I want to do it again this year.  Winning is fun.  Losing sucks.

 

Besides, I don't know about the rest of yall, but I'm getting older by the minute. I've done enough losing for one lifetime and I've only been a bills fan since 1996.

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, RochesterRob said:

  Coming off of the draft I think most would have said development.  Camp made us a little too optimistic for the coming season.  I think that we have too many areas of uncertainty to expect anything other than development.  Keep our 2019 picks and have more expectations for that season.

That's how I feel. Let Allen play just enough to continue to learn & develop, but not at the expense of getting him hurt. We realistically don't have the personnel to get to the playoffs this year. Go crazy on Oline & Dline improvements in 19 and  then our expectations can be higher. 

[The Final Word]

Again perspective here gang.  The answer is both.  After making the playoffs many thought we were knocking at the door of greatness, we weren’t  hecki I even saw we should have not traded Tyrod. Simply remarkable and short sighted.  Does anyone really think Taylor was a franchise quarterback?  He would assure six to eight wins we have to sell tickets.  Kim and terry know that if the team can win seven plus games, their stadium will be packed so we need a competitive team while building for the future and they have accomplished that goal.  We are getting better and in a few years we will be a beast the final word

[Yav]

The plan was to take a step back this year. They need to clear dead cap space and get some experience for these young QBs. 

 

If you really listen to what they have been saying you can tell last year was a surprise and even if they kept players there’s no room for improvement. They moved on from trading water and are looking at long term success. 

 

Trust the process and embrace the change. 

[SouthNYfan]

Just now, The Final Word said:

Again perspective here gang.  The answer is both.  After making the playoffs many thought we were knocking at the door of greatness, we weren’t  hecki I even saw we should have not traded Tyrod. Simply remarkable and short sighted.  Does anyone really think Taylor was a franchise quarterback?  He would assure six to eight wins we have to sell tickets.  Kim and terry know that if the team can win seven plus games, their stadium will be packed so we need a competitive team while building for the future and they have accomplished that goal.  We are getting better and in a few years we will be a beast the final word

 

nice to see you again dunkirk.

[The Final Word]

5 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

nice to see you again dunkirk.

I don’t understand 

[oldmanfan]

It is not an either/or.  Did you not watch last season?

[Augie]

I’d LOVE both, but let’s be sensible here. We are NOT winning the SB this year. Development is FAR more important than a few extra wins. 

[nedboy7]

I want to see some huge losses so I can be convinced we are on the right path to development. 

No way do I want to trade wins with the false hope of development. 

Is this some sort of a joke?  The lack of logic on this board is convincing me that the earth is flat. 

[Nuncha]

There won't be much winning with this O-line....

[Bills Fan of St Augustine]

Both - no one lines up to lose. But this team is at least 2-3 years from potential to win SB. All else doesn't really matter. They got their franchise QB, now we need to win in the trenches on both sides of the ball. OL/DL play was horrific. Duckass lead our team in sacks with his backside! I would be very surprised to see 6 wins, but I will be at the Raven's game wearing the colors! Go Bills!

[SouthNYfan]

23 minutes ago, The Final Word said:

I don’t understand 

 

stahp.

[ndirish1978]

Peterman/McCarron are the best bets for this time to start the season. If we win a decent amount of games, let them play for a while. If not, pull them and let the Allen era begin around mid-season. I'd like Allen to start Week 8 and spend the rest of the season learning the position at this level. The D has regressed and our Oline is not winning us more than 5 games so we don't have the option to choose "win now"; we're only left with win later.

[Chandler#81]

We can’t want both??

[Da webster guy]

2 hours ago, teef said:

If Allen and Edmunds both look like they’re going to develop into the guys we need them to be, I’ll be satisfied. I just don’t know what to think after the Cincy game. It had that Rex Ryan type disorganization to it. 

 

My buddy said the same thing about the game looking Rex iSH.

 

And it looked a little MarroneISH with the no challenge on flag on the 3rd down dive.    May have been overturned, but either way, what a perfect time to take a few minutes and set up a 4th down play to get that last foot or so.  Would have changed things drastically.