benderbender Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 I’m curious as to why Kelvin Benjamin was, for the most part, vilified by the national media for giving honest answers regarding Cam Newton, and yet the talking heads praise Jalen Ramsey’s trash talk. Stephen A Smith called his rant “compelling.” https://youtu.be/WeW5ngFzt8w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Kelvin Benjamin took cheap shots at his ex quarterback who always seemed to perform better without him. Jalen Ramsey has only been on one team and didn't take any cheap shots at any players on his team. That should be rather obvious. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Racism 6 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 24 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Kelvin Benjamin took cheap shots at his ex quarterback who always seemed to perform better without him. Jalen Ramsey has only been on one team and didn't take any cheap shots at any players on his team. That should be rather obvious. at least Benjamin was with Cam to make his opinion. Jalen doesn't now anything about the people he trashed except for Bortles who he lied about. Jalen is a punk who needs to learn grammar. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 They both were wrong. Benjamin knew about Cam’s skills, but doesn’t make it smart to air out his criticisms to the media. Ramsey is just a moron. Why would you ever give 2/3 the league bulletin board material whenever playing Jax. I would have have loved to be in the room when both Marrone and more importantly Coughlin read the article. Coughlin’s Head probably came close to exploding. If we didn’t have the new CBA, he’d make him run gamers for a week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: at least Benjamin was with Cam to make his opinion. Jalen doesn't now anything about the people he trashed except for Bortles who he lied about. Jalen is a punk who needs to learn grammar. You should have a comma after Bortles, grammar king. ? Edited August 16, 2018 by C.Biscuit97 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: You should have a coma after Bortles, grammar king. ? Bortles plays like he's in a coma. 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Bortles plays like he's in a coma. Haha, I was just coming back to change it! But I never said I was a grammar king! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 4 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: at least Benjamin was with Cam to make his opinion. Jalen doesn't now anything about the people he trashed except for Bortles who he lied about. Jalen is a punk who needs to learn grammar. You are correct, Jalen is a punk. But, I'm pretty sure he's not concerned and doesn't care about his grammar. He didn't exactly attend FSU on an academic scholarship working on his Masters in Language Arts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 24 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: They both were wrong. Benjamin knew about Cam’s skills, but doesn’t make it smart to air out his criticisms to the media. Ramsey is just a moron. Why would you ever give 2/3 the league bulletin board material whenever playing Jax. I would have have loved to be in the room when both Marrone and more importantly Coughlin read the article. Coughlin’s Head probably came close to exploding. If we didn’t have the new CBA, he’d make him run gamers for a week. Some things are better off left unsaid right? Unfortunately, some players don’t understand that dignity and professionalism can go a long way in this world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 People are afraid to criticize Ramsey because his comments seem racially motivated and you can't possibly call out a non-Caucasian for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 I’m embarrassed for Jalen and the media for even covering this nonsense. Jalen just showed the world how unintelligent he is. Those quotes were not just uncalled for, but incoherent and shows he barely has a grasp of the English language. Sad really, considering how on paper he competed high school and attended a prestigious university university like FSU. The media, on the other hand, shows how devoid they are of any semblance of interesting thought by breathlessly discussing this as if it were a treatise by Socrates. They are, a flat out joke at this point. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbosrrgood Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, benderbender said: I’m curious as to why Kelvin Benjamin was, for the most part, vilified by the national media for giving honest answers regarding Cam Newton, and yet the talking heads praise Jalen Ramsey’s trash talk. Stephen A Smith called his rant “compelling.” https://youtu.be/WeW5ngFzt8w It's not a double standard for a couple of reasons...one, Benjamin was rightly trashed for his comments about Cam, it was not ignored. 2nd, what they said was not comparable, Ramsey attacked a number of high profile QBs in the NFL, for no apparent reason other than to troll for attention (which he's getting). Those teams fans represent millions and millions of people. KB's comments were stupid, but it was a personal situation with his old team, there was history behind it. Edited August 16, 2018 by Turbosrrgood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 I am among those who think Jalen Ramsey is a punk, and I would love to see him get put in his place, but I also agree that you're trying to compare apples to oranges. It is almost always in bad taste to burn your bridges after you crossed them. I would never publicly say bad things about a former workplace just because I had an unpleasant experience there. It would be another issue entirely if there were unfair labor practices, if for example Carolina had violated the CBA. To me it just shows class if you can be graceful in dealing with your past employer and work associates, unless there are ongoing abuses that need to be addressed for the protection of future employees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 7 hours ago, benderbender said: I’m curious as to why Kelvin Benjamin was, for the most part, vilified by the national media for giving honest answers regarding Cam Newton, and yet the talking heads praise Jalen Ramsey’s trash talk. Stephen A Smith called his rant “compelling.” https://youtu.be/WeW5ngFzt8w Jalen Ramsay markets himself as a cocky villain, is a known trash-talker, who didn't throw his QB under the bus. Kelvin Bejamin isn't a known trash-talker who threw shade at a longtime, former teammate from his new team, blaming him for his past shortcomings as a player, by highlighting a deficiency in him, possibly out of his control to fix. It was just tasteless on many levels. Ramsay is the arguably the league's best CB, he's better at what he does than many QB's are at what they do. His opinion has value because of his rank, his perspective on each QB was unfiltered and non-conforming, which made the article compelling. I for one, expected to stop at his take on Josh Allen, but I couldn't stop there, I had to go down the list to see what he had to say about the other QB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbosrrgood Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 I'd just like to point out that Ramsey knew exactly what he was saying and doing...I don't claim him to be smart, but this was obviously trolling for responses...which everyone is gladly giving to him. He's getting exactly what he wanted out of it, and most people are feeding him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 I don't like bulletin board material by Bills players against other teams and players. I hated when Rex did that , even for coin toss. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Ramsey: Good player talking about guys on other teams Benjamin: Meh player talking about a former teammate 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Lurker said: Ramsey: Good player talking about guys on other teams Benjamin: Meh player talking about a former teammate Yup. Neither should have said anything. But Benjamin looks like a jilted ex. Ramsey is just saying what he thinks, right or wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 A couple of differences that come to mind: 1. Jalen is an all pro at his position I believe. Regarded as the best corner in the game today. KB is far from the best WR in the game today. Might not be fair but the better you are at your job the greater margin of error you have in any outlandish comments you may have. 2. KB criticized a player who was league MVP and lead his team to the super bowl all while KB was injured. Jalen is criticizing a player that is at this point in their career a complete unkown and does for better or worst have a lot of question marks regarding ability to perform at the NFL stage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Jalen Ramsey is the best player at his position. Kelvin Benjamin has been a disappointment for most of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Benjamin waiting until a year after he left Carolina to dump on Newton, his former team mate who never did him wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Kelvin Benjamin took cheap shots at his ex quarterback who always seemed to perform better without him. Jalen Ramsey has only been on one team and didn't take any cheap shots at any players on his team. That should be rather obvious. Yeah, that and Ramsey is taking shots at an unproven rookie while Benjamin targeted a former league MVP. It's not a double standard. Trash talking other teams isn't really problematic. Trashing a guy you played with, and so closely, is. Edited August 16, 2018 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 8 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: at least Benjamin was with Cam to make his opinion. Jalen doesn't now anything about the people he trashed except for Bortles who he lied about. Jalen is a punk who needs to learn grammar. And here's your winning answer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 52 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Benjamin waiting until a year after he left Carolina to dump on Newton, his former team mate who never did him wrong. It was in the lead up to playing Carolina. Likely venting from all the questions asked about Carolina and the matchup. Newton is polarizing. To solicit a response of strong beliefs is obvious, whether negative or positive. But, honestly, even in my distaste for him, I think it's fair to say no one truly ever praises him fairly. Sure coaches and others will do the warm fuzzies and patronization but you don't ever hear true compliments about him or his Integrity or what he is up to you as a person... Because generally he's regarded as a douche. And that's mostly because the way he buffets off the field as well it's his Antics on the field which do not belong on there. as a football player he's among the top five in the league perhaps, as a quarterback he's barely top 10 if at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 How many career interceptions does he have? Enough said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said: Yeah, that and Ramsey is taking shots at an unproven rookie while Benjamin targeted a former league MVP. It's not a double standard. Trash talking other teams isn't really problematic. Trashing a guy you played with, and so closely, is. I agree with your second statement, but the first statement isnt necessarily correct, more like imcomplete. Jalen took shots at most qbs, including former MVP Matt Ryan. Edited August 16, 2018 by Bray Wyatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 5 hours ago, billsbackto81 said: You are correct, Jalen is a punk. But, I'm pretty sure he's not concerned and doesn't care about his grammar. He didn't exactly attend FSU on an academic scholarship working on his Masters in Language Arts. Yep nothing real surprising here when it comes to the NFL ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Yes, by all means, use Stephen A. Smith's opinion as the gold standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Boyst62 said: It was in the lead up to playing Carolina. Likely venting from all the questions asked about Carolina and the matchup. Newton is polarizing. To solicit a response of strong beliefs is obvious, whether negative or positive. But, honestly, even in my distaste for him, I think it's fair to say no one truly ever praises him fairly. Sure coaches and others will do the warm fuzzies and patronization but you don't ever hear true compliments about him or his Integrity or what he is up to you as a person... Because generally he's regarded as a douche. And that's mostly because the way he buffets off the field as well it's his Antics on the field which do not belong on there. as a football player he's among the top five in the league perhaps, as a quarterback he's barely top 10 if at all. I'm not a fan of Cam the man--possibly the greatest poster boy for the dirty that is NCAA Football ever. And as a pro he's consistently proven that he is still a man child. But Benjamin's public comments weren't warranted, not a year later, regardless of Carolina being their opponent. Newton has had plenty of success without Benjamin, and other receivers had no complaints about their catch % on that team. Benjamin's ONLY success has come at the hands of Newton so far in this League. He should have led with that... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodneykm Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 11 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Racism I thought that was pretty obvious too. Literally everything now days is racist. Printer paper? Whys it got to be white? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 12 hours ago, benderbender said: I’m curious as to why Kelvin Benjamin was, for the most part, vilified by the national media for giving honest answers regarding Cam Newton, and yet the talking heads praise Jalen Ramsey’s trash talk. Stephen A Smith called his rant “compelling.” https://youtu.be/WeW5ngFzt8w No. And BTW, Steven A. Smith isn't compelling and wouldn't know it if it hit him in his "all knowing" face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Not a very smart move by both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 47 minutes ago, rodneykm said: I thought that was pretty obvious too. Literally everything now days is racist. Printer paper? Whys it got to be white? And toilet paper? White paper to wipe the brown mess away? Joseph Gayetty was a damn bigot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: I'm not a fan of Cam the man--possibly the greatest poster boy for the dirty that is NCAA Football ever. And as a pro he's consistently proven that he is still a man child. But Benjamin's public comments weren't warranted, not a year later, regardless of Carolina being their opponent. Newton has had plenty of success without Benjamin, and other receivers had no complaints about their catch % on that team. Benjamin's ONLY success has come at the hands of Newton so far in this League. He should have led with that... Don't disagree. But was looking for any glimmer of reason on why he would have spoke out. I think a little bit of behind the scenes stuff could have been going om, as well. I'd not put it past either he or Newton - or others - to have had a small exchange prior somewhere we didn't know about. Perhaps privately being called out for being able to produce only with Newton. Benjamin was wrong. Don't talk about others unless others are involved in the conversation. Then, when necessary, don't back down from backing up your words with actions. That doesn't mean a physical alteration, not by any means. But, that could come from taking time to approach the issue with the person you spoke about to state the claims to them directly. It doesn't result in some thuggish behavior like Newton attempted on the field. That was even lower of a move. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 We'll Ramsey was also asked for his opinion. KB's remarks were a unsolisited I believe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 16 minutes ago, JaxBills said: We'll Ramsey was also asked for his opinion. KB's remarks were a unsolisited I believe. Exactly. Ramsey was asked a question and he ran with it. Benjamin threw a sucker punch at his old running mate just to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 5 hours ago, JMF2006 said: How many career interceptions does he have? Enough said Ints is the worst way to judge a cornerback. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Ints is the worst way to judge a cornerback. For what it's worth, he has 2 less than Revis at this point. Revis had his big pick year in his 3rd season.... Than guys stopped throwing his way. Lots of 2 and 3 pick seasons after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 5 hours ago, Bray Wyatt said: I agree with your second statement, but the first statement isnt necessarily correct, more like imcomplete. Jalen took shots at most qbs, including former MVP Matt Ryan. This isn’t true. He took shots at a few qbs, but said postive things about the majority of qbs he discussed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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