Wagon Circler Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 After seeing the game last week, I saw enough to be VERY optimistic about 2018. Our passing game is completely different. Daboll has installed New England's offense and he is a real strong play-caller. We might be a passing team now. I believe we will score a lot of points this year. If we can find a pass rush (GET HEALTHY MURPH!), I think we will challenge New England for the division title and win 11 games. As such, I do not want to play the quarterback who gives us the best chance to win in 2019! Let this thing play out and take the guy who gives us the best chance to win THIS year, no matter who that is. In other words, if Allen plays the best, let him start. But don't force him into the lineup because he has a cannon for an arm. His time will come (or maybe it won't). I really think we have something here people! Daboll is god, or maybe better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 (edited) Uhhhhh... where to begin. This 'hot take' fer sher needed its own thread though. If Dabol is God, is Allen baby Jesus? Food for thought! Edited August 15, 2018 by gobills1212 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 I'm pessimistic about 2087, don't know why, just have a bad feeling about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 This is the mind of a Wagon Circler! ? I am far more optimistic than some of these crazy 4 win projections. I think the OLine will be better than expected, the D should be better (which is to say quite good), the QB should be....oh wait...there’s the REAL question mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Augie said: This is the mind of a Wagon Circler! ? I am far more optimistic than some of these crazy 4 win projections. I think the OLine will be better than expected, the D should be better (which is to say quite good), the QB should be....oh wait...there’s the REAL question mark. Yes, it all hinges on the QB. I agree with the OP that they should start the guy who gives us the best chance to win in 2018, but realistically, I don't think any of them will bring us 11 wins. (I hope I'm wrong about that.) I'm feeling like 9-7 is realistic and 10-6 is optimistic. Josh showed some real talent last week and he could develop into a great QB - he has all the tools, as they say - but that'll take some time. Edited August 16, 2018 by WhoTom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Buffalo sports in general is on the up. I’m very optimistic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 I’m with this guy! Let’s freaking GOOOOOOOO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 11 minutes ago, WhoTom said: Yes, it all hinges on the QB. I agree with the OP that they should start the guy who gives us the best chance to win in 2018, but realistically, I don't think any of them will bring us 11 wins. (I hope I'm wrong about that.) I'm feeling like 9-7 is realistic and 10-6 is optimistic. Josh showed some real talent last week and he could develop into a great QB - he has all the tools, as they say - but that'll take some time. I’m actually just fine with 7 wins, if we see progress and hope at QB and the general direction. Remember the Process! This is a “set up” year, and a great record would be great, but it’s not essential to me. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 I have only two measures of success 1. Playoffs regardless of the QB 2. Allen starts at some point and shows he has franchise QB potential - don't care how many wins/losses. In fact if no playoffs the fewer the wins the better 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haplo848 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 2 hours ago, WhoTom said: Yes, it all hinges on the QB. I agree with the OP that they should start the guy who gives us the best chance to win in 2018, but realistically, I don't think any of them will bring us 11 wins. (I hope I'm wrong about that.) I'm feeling like 9-7 is realistic and 10-6 is optimistic. Josh showed some real talent last week and he could develop into a great QB - he has all the tools, as they say - but that'll take some time. It's true that it all hinges on the QB, but exactly how many games do you think Tyrod actually WON for us? His style of play was more geared towards not losing rather than winning. Very rarely did he lose us games, but very rarely did he win us games, either. As long as the games this year's QB wins for us matches the number of games he loses for us, then with a slightly worse offense and a slightly better defense, theoretically, we should have the same record as last year. And considering that Daboll will likely put our QB in better positions to win us games than the previous OC did, I'm hopeful that whatever QB we end up with for the season can tread water as well as Tyrod did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 3 hours ago, Mickey said: I'm pessimistic about 2087, don't know why, just have a bad feeling about it. We have two games on the moon that year and no bye week after either. Getting used to the gravity the next week will be tough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 The final score in preseason is meaningless. First team, second team who plays better? Buffalo looked good. Allen showed potential. I'm curious how he looks with a supporting cast that will make the team. If he continues to play well and earns a chance at starting next week my optimism is sky high. I believe Allen could have a big Ben type of entry into the NFL. Buffalo relies on shady and defense, Allen makes enough plays win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 I think I'm generally, but not entirely... pessimistic. 1) I think much of our offensive success hinges on the performance of our O-line. And, I think they are suspect. Could easily be well below average. It's hard to come up with a reason why they wouldn't be worse than they were last season. 2) I think, along with our O-line, much of our Qb success (regardless of who starts) hinges on the success of our receiving corps. And, they may be the worst in the league, even with a healthy KB (and, his health (knees) is also a reason for concern). Take KB out of the picture (again, not unlikely), and our WR corp IS one, if not THE worst in the league. 3) There is plenty of reason to doubt that Allen will develop into a viable, NFL-ready starter this season. Just about everyone thought he was a raw talent coming out of college. Nothing he has done has swayed that opinion. Also, there were more than a few pundits who projected him as a bust. While his latest preseason performance gave us all reason to be optimistic, one preseason game is certainly not enough to simply overturn those predictions. 4) Our running backs are old, and if our O-line isn't at the very least equal to last year (see #1 above), there is no reason to believe Shady will be as productive as he was last year. 5) All of a sudden, we seem to be shallow in the defensive backfield. There has been an assumption that the tandem of White/Davis was elite. Now, after PS game#1, that is in question. 6) Line backers. Edmunds is a star in the making, sure. But, he's 20. And, what else have we done to upgrade our linebackers? 7) In the likely event that McD does not feel that Josh Allen is ready to start the season, we are left with the choice between AJ McCarron, and Nate Peterman. THAT is not good. Or... maybe I'm just being a TROLL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 I don't think our talent is any worse than it was last year, and in some positions we should be improved (wr, dline, maybe even qb?). With McDermott running things, I can't see us being one of the worst three or four teams in the league. Given our schedule, I see 6-8 wins. And I am fine with that at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 I have no idea how the 2018 Bills will do, none of us anywhere have any idea, but for the first time in ages, this organization has direction. There is no denying that. Remains to be seen where it all goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 if we can surprise baltimore and shut down the chargers we will be in the post season. those 2 games will make or break our season and we do have an advantage with a new offense. that being said, i see losses at gb and minny. throw in 2 more to the pats makes 4. they will probably drop one they shouldn't and actually make 11-5 but no worse than 10-6. the first 2 are the most important. go catch the ravens by surprise and then come home and curbstomp the chargers. that will be a great start. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Captain Buzzkill: didn’t we have a preseason game against Pittsburgh where Tyrod and EJ looked like the best passers on the planet? The preseason is pretty much meaningless. Teams don’t gameplan and play very simple coverages. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Captain Buzzkill: didn’t we have a preseason game against Pittsburgh where Tyrod and EJ looked like the best passers on the planet? The preseason is pretty much meaningless. Teams don’t gameplan and play very simple coverages. WE MUST NOT ALLOW ENTHUSIASM. TAMP IT OUT AT ALL COSTS. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, joesixpack said: WE MUST NOT ALLOW ENTHUSIASM. TAMP IT OUT AT ALL COSTS. I have become the person I used to argue against! https://www.google.com/amp/s/cityofchampionssports.com/2015/08/30/pittsburgh-steelers-buffalod-new-york/amp/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 6 hours ago, Rocky Landing said: I think I'm generally, but not entirely... pessimistic. 1) I think much of our offensive success hinges on the performance of our O-line. And, I think they are suspect. Could easily be well below average. It's hard to come up with a reason why they wouldn't be worse than they were last season. 2) I think, along with our O-line, much of our Qb success (regardless of who starts) hinges on the success of our receiving corps. And, they may be the worst in the league, even with a healthy KB (and, his health (knees) is also a reason for concern). Take KB out of the picture (again, not unlikely), and our WR corp IS one, if not THE worst in the league. 3) There is plenty of reason to doubt that Allen will develop into a viable, NFL-ready starter this season. Just about everyone thought he was a raw talent coming out of college. Nothing he has done has swayed that opinion. Also, there were more than a few pundits who projected him as a bust. While his latest preseason performance gave us all reason to be optimistic, one preseason game is certainly not enough to simply overturn those predictions. 4) Our running backs are old, and if our O-line isn't at the very least equal to last year (see #1 above), there is no reason to believe Shady will be as productive as he was last year. 5) All of a sudden, we seem to be shallow in the defensive backfield. There has been an assumption that the tandem of White/Davis was elite. Now, after PS game#1, that is in question. 6) Line backers. Edmunds is a star in the making, sure. But, he's 20. And, what else have we done to upgrade our linebackers? 7) In the likely event that McD does not feel that Josh Allen is ready to start the season, we are left with the choice between AJ McCarron, and Nate Peterman. THAT is not good. Or... maybe I'm just being a TROLL. How dare you NOT blindly jump on the Beane/McDermott bandwagon! You are definitely a TROLL! 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Captain Buzzkill: didn’t we have a preseason game against Pittsburgh where Tyrod and EJ looked like the best passers on the planet? The preseason is pretty much meaningless. Teams don’t gameplan and play very simple coverages. What do you mean by "meaningless"? Didn't the Browns go 4-0 last preseason? If all these Bills cheerleaders watched some of the other preseason games on the NFL network, they'd see that most of the teams expected not to be playoff contenders probably looked "better than expected". Most of the QBs who played in Preseason Game 1 looked competent or better. Those should be red flags warning fans not to read a whole lot into success in Preseason Game 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 9 hours ago, Haplo848 said: It's true that it all hinges on the QB, but exactly how many games do you think Tyrod actually WON for us? His style of play was more geared towards not losing rather than winning. Very rarely did he lose us games, but very rarely did he win us games, either. As long as the games this year's QB wins for us matches the number of games he loses for us, then with a slightly worse offense and a slightly better defense, theoretically, we should have the same record as last year. And considering that Daboll will likely put our QB in better positions to win us games than the previous OC did, I'm hopeful that whatever QB we end up with for the season can tread water as well as Tyrod did. This is the point. The Bill's were a .500 team last year. They had the talent to be .500. The same talent is back, with so.e upgrades and some downgrades. Qb is the only position where one player can have a big impact, anod the Bill's probably made a sidewise move or possibly improved. So it's all about coaching. And Allen. If Allen emerges, then things could be really different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwight in philly Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 My mindset at the start of a season is that we go 16 and 0.. and then as it unfolds and i see how it plays out , i hope for a division title shot.. then wait.. wild card. only approach i can take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 12 hours ago, Wagon Circler said: After seeing the game last week, I saw enough to be VERY optimistic about 2018. I really think we have something here people! Daboll is god, or maybe better. Not to temper your enthusiasm but twice in history NFL teams have gone 0-16. 08 Lions and 2017 Browns. Both teams were 4-0 in the pre-season. I'm excited and optimistic too but be careful judging NFL teams / players based on pre-season performances. GO BILLS !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Circle of liiiiiife.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 I'm still in 7-9 type territory on record. I have predicted 8-8 the last two years and had us going 10-6 in 2015 (as we would have done if we had anything resembling a competent coach). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 39 minutes ago, SoTier said: How dare you NOT blindly jump on the Beane/McDermott bandwagon! You are definitely a TROLL! What do you mean by "meaningless"? Didn't the Browns go 4-0 last preseason? If all these Bills cheerleaders watched some of the other preseason games on the NFL network, they'd see that most of the teams expected not to be playoff contenders probably looked "better than expected". Most of the QBs who played in Preseason Game 1 looked competent or better. Those should be red flags warning fans not to read a whole lot into success in Preseason Game 1. no one gets more upset about bills fans being optimistic! am i right?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 hour ago, SoTier said: How dare you NOT blindly jump on the Beane/McDermott bandwagon! You are definitely a TROLL! What do you mean by "meaningless"? Didn't the Browns go 4-0 last preseason? If all these Bills cheerleaders watched some of the other preseason games on the NFL network, they'd see that most of the teams expected not to be playoff contenders probably looked "better than expected". Most of the QBs who played in Preseason Game 1 looked competent or better. Those should be red flags warning fans not to read a whole lot into success in Preseason Game 1. ALL ENTHUSIASM MUST BE PURGED FROM THIS BOARD, THE NANCY COLLECTIVE WILLS IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stranded in Boston Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 9 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: We have two games on the moon that year and no bye week after either. Getting used to the gravity the next week will be tough. ... and we'll of course have to play New England the week after both those moon games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 Optimism? Is that tolerated here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 10 hours ago, Haplo848 said: It's true that it all hinges on the QB, but exactly how many games do you think Tyrod actually WON for us? His style of play was more geared towards not losing rather than winning. Very rarely did he lose us games, but very rarely did he win us games, either. As long as the games this year's QB wins for us matches the number of games he loses for us, then with a slightly worse offense and a slightly better defense, theoretically, we should have the same record as last year. And considering that Daboll will likely put our QB in better positions to win us games than the previous OC did, I'm hopeful that whatever QB we end up with for the season can tread water as well as Tyrod did. Yup - that's why I said 9-7 is realistic. Our QB will either be a former backup (like Tyrod was) or a rookie. Either should be able to do about as well as TT did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Captain Buzzkill: didn’t we have a preseason game against Pittsburgh where Tyrod and EJ looked like the best passers on the planet? The preseason is pretty much meaningless. Teams don’t gameplan and play very simple coverages. Isn’t this the same argument that was used when the offense couldn’t score in preseason? But then the offense couldn’t score in the regular season either. I know preseason games are practice, but they have to be an indication of something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 13 hours ago, Wagon Circler said: After seeing the game last week, I saw enough to be VERY optimistic about 2018. Our passing game is completely different. Daboll has installed New England's offense and he is a real strong play-caller. We might be a passing team now. I believe we will score a lot of points this year. If we can find a pass rush (GET HEALTHY MURPH!), I think we will challenge New England for the division title and win 11 games. As such, I do not want to play the quarterback who gives us the best chance to win in 2019! Let this thing play out and take the guy who gives us the best chance to win THIS year, no matter who that is. In other words, if Allen plays the best, let him start. But don't force him into the lineup because he has a cannon for an arm. His time will come (or maybe it won't). I really think we have something here people! Daboll is god, or maybe better. If this is true we need somebody glued to him learning the system. If he's "that good", and all of the sudden WE have a high-end NFL offense, he'll be a HC before long. That's the sad truth in an NFL that gives coaches 45 minutes to succeed and then fires them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, Shotgunner said: If this is true we need somebody glued to him learning the system. If he's "that good", and all of the sudden WE have a high-end NFL offense, he'll be a HC before long. That's the sad truth in an NFL that gives coaches 45 minutes to succeed and then fires them. Huh? Terrible coaches get recycled all the time. If anything, it’s like impossible to break into the nfl unless you have family or a connection. If you just look at Daboll’s nfl resume, you would never give him another nfl OC job. But he knows the right people. This is a lot of the coaches in the nfl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 There'll be growing pains this year especially with a raw rookie QB but I'm excited and feel like we could get to 6-8 wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 13 hours ago, Mickey said: I'm pessimistic about 2087, don't know why, just have a bad feeling about it. Hopefully I will not be around by 2087. I'd be a 99 and probably looking pretty rough, unless I could be some sort of Cyborg terminator mix. That would be freakin awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 11 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: We have two games on the moon that year and no bye week after either. Getting used to the gravity the next week will be tough. And one of those games is that team from Uranus with that giant tight end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overdue Bill Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 10 hours ago, Mat68 said: The final score in preseason is meaningless. First team, second team who plays better? Buffalo looked good. Allen showed potential. I'm curious how he looks with a supporting cast that will make the team. If he continues to play well and earns a chance at starting next week my optimism is sky high. I believe Allen could have a big Ben type of entry into the NFL. Buffalo relies on shady and defense, Allen makes enough plays win games. Agree! Everyone gets hung up on the score...the fact that the offense could move the ball down the field consistently and score is more important and a better indicator of future success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, BuffaloBillies said: And one of those games is that team from Uranus with that giant tight end. The Patriots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 my stockpile of imaginary roses and bricks and D-cell batteries are sitting beside the couch to be thrown based on what is deserved by actual results on the field i am prepared for a steep learning curve taking a few years, improvement is what i want to see through the year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted August 16, 2018 Share Posted August 16, 2018 (edited) Play whoever makes Allen better down the road. We aren't winning a Super Bowl this year. The next 15 years or so are far more important. Pre-season games should NOT be taken as predictive. They're not. Edited August 16, 2018 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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