Do you REALLY THINK our GM & HC will trade UP?

[MrEpsYtown]

There are definitely stand out quarterbacks in this draft, but they are all very different so it's hard to compare. Rosen is the 5 star recruit, intelligent precise passer with the big arm. Darnold is the guy coaches and scouts love with all the inagibles and athletic ability. Allen is the prototype, massive athletic quarterback with an amazing arm. Mayfield is the undersized fiery wolverine who just simply makes plays. Lamar Jackson is probably one of the all time most electrifying players to come out of college football. 

 

There are in fact 5 standout guys in this draft in my opinion. However, with the way college is going I think NFL teams have to find the one that fits best. Back in the day it was really easy to compare quartbacks. They were all kind of cut from the same cloth. This is not true anymore. To me Rosen is the guy that could fit any team's offense, but to say there are no standout quarterbacks in this draft just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. 

 

Will they all make it? Likely not, but they are certainly standout players. After number five there is a huge drop off and a bunch of JAGS. 

Edited March 11, 2018 by MrEpsYtown

[DrDawkinstein]

Yep

[Boca BIlls]

1 hour ago, Punt75 said:

These are smart NFL men.  They are here for the LONG TERM!  Trading away two #1 picks and more isn't their style.  ESPECIALLY when there is NO standout Quarterback in this draft.  NO Manning, NO Luck and NO Newton.  It's a crap shoot and everybody knows that. 

 

Get a CB, LB or DL in the first Round.  Grab a QB like Rudolph, Falk or Lauletta in the 2nd.  With the other 2nd rounder get a RB or WR.  I can't image what we can do with two 3's, a 4 and two 5's to fill-out our needs.

 

Then take a look at Glennon, Bradford or Bridgewater for $7-8 mil as a veteran presence at QB.  We'll have Free Agency for the O-Line.

 

We've become a SMART organization!  It's very nice!

 

lol No QB... Said every year and every year there are QBS, and every year the Bills miss out.

[BigDingus]

1 hour ago, Punt75 said:

These are smart NFL men.  They are here for the LONG TERM!  Trading away two #1 picks and more isn't their style.  ESPECIALLY when there is NO standout Quarterback in this draft.  NO Manning, NO Luck and NO Newton.  It's a crap shoot and everybody knows that. 

 

Get a CB, LB or DL in the first Round.  Grab a QB like Rudolph, Falk or Lauletta in the 2nd.  With the other 2nd rounder get a RB or WR.  I can't image what we can do with two 3's, a 4 and two 5's to fill-out our needs.

 

Then take a look at Glennon, Bradford or Bridgewater for $7-8 mil as a veteran presence at QB.  We'll have Free Agency for the O-Line.

 

We've become a SMART organization!  It's very nice!

 

 No standout QB?

 

Wtf are you talking about? There are no guarantees in the draft, yet every year you have QBs that rise to the top. This year is better than most, that's for sure.

 

Fans that think "wait until next year!" every year while watching the team go 18 years with no playoffs are ridiculous. 

 

You mention Manning, he wasn't a sure thing, or else why was there so many "experts" and teams wanting Leaf? Newton was better than others in his class, but not nearly as good as other less hyped QBs over the years. Aaron Rodgers, Drew Bread, Philip Rivers, Eli Manning, Big Ben etc all came out with less hype and have had better careers than Newton.

 

Wentz and Goff weren't sure things, yet look what they did. Russell Wilson and Derek Carr went after the 3rd round, yet 1 has won a SB, and the other has been better than anything the Bills have had since Kelly.

 

Rosen, Darnold and Mayfield have been more highly touted than most of the guys mentioned above, and yet you'd want to wait year after year after year after year, kicking the can down the street hoping the stars align and some gift from the heavens falls into our lap.

 

It rarely works that way, and in the past 10 years, the closest thing to a sure-thing has been Andrew Luck, and look what he's done lately. Point being waiting for some god-send is not a successful way to build a franchise. It is a good way of going another 18 years without playoffs though. 

1 hour ago, ColdFront_USAF said:

Your username fits the post. Refusing to take a shot at a franchise qb in a draft loaded with top end qb talent, picking the types of players that will be available in literally every draft class ever, and going with a retread of some sort to continue the mediocrity we've become accustomed to is pretty much punting the offseason away. 

 

Next years qb class looks awful at this point, and other than Cousins (who's not an option) there is nobody available in free agency or trade that would fit the bill as a franchise passer. If there was ever a time to make a move and get your guy, this is the time. 

 

Bingo! That's the problem with always waiting, sometimes you're stuck with a crappy hand year after year (like the year we drafted EJ Manuel) and missed your chance at legitimate talent. This year there are actual good prospects, some of the most promising in years, so waiting for a year better than this could be a looooong time away. 

[par73]

IMO, everything they have done so far points to a move. No guarantee it will pay off, but they have the draft capital and an enticing group of QB's. Enough of putting it off until next year and bringing in a scrub to run the show as another "stopgap."

If not now, when?

[ganesh]

1 hour ago, Logic said:

Yes.

They've made nothing but bold moves since they got here. Walking right through the door and immediately trading away Sammy Watkins, Ronald Darby, Reggie Ragland, and Marcell Dareus was borderline insane.But they had a conviction, they followed through with it, purged the roster of bad contracts and bad attitudes, and made the playoffs. Bold.

After making the playoffs for the first time in 17 seasons, what did they do? Fired their offensive coordinator because they knew they could do better. Traded their quarterback away because they knew they could do better. Bold.

This coach/GM combo are NOT going to sit on their hands and be wishy-washy and hesitant to acquire a franchise QB. BOTH of them come from an organization whose sustained success the past few seasons stems largely from having a franchise QB. They know the importance of it. They've spoken about it multiple times.

They're not afraid. On the contrary, they're bold and, so far, pretty fearless in their roster building. They're going to trade up. Just watch.

And they did trade up last year to get the players they coveted.  They were also not afraid to make a in-season trade to get Benjamin.  They have been one of the most active team through the entire season.  The beauty of it is that McDermott has still been able to focus on getting his players ready to play for all the 18 weeks.   If he had a playoff caliber QB, then they win the Jacksonville game. 

[DefenseWins]

Here is a nice article on the subject of trading up - particularly as it relates to the NYJ...

 

https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2018/03/10/bills-dolphins-trades-could-impact-jets-draft-plans/

 

 

[Kelsos cap]

Yes. Accept it, embrace it.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

3 hours ago, Punt75 said:

These are smart NFL men.  They are here for the LONG TERM!  Trading away two #1 picks and more isn't their style.  ESPECIALLY when there is NO standout Quarterback in this draft.  NO Manning, NO Luck and NO Newton.  It's a crap shoot and everybody knows that. 

 

Get a CB, LB or DL in the first Round.  Grab a QB like Rudolph, Falk or Lauletta in the 2nd.  With the other 2nd rounder get a RB or WR.  I can't image what we can do with two 3's, a 4 and two 5's to fill-out our needs.

 

Then take a look at Glennon, Bradford or Bridgewater for $7-8 mil as a veteran presence at QB.  We'll have Free Agency for the O-Line.

 

We've become a SMART organization!  It's very nice!

 

 

Mayfield is the standout.

 

So you want to get a bunch of bum QBs?? Glad that out FO is smarter than you.

 

 

Edited March 11, 2018 by Buffalo Barbarian

[Kelsos cap]

I can imagine we will rinse and repeat. This point of view is old, dated and duly filed in statistics. Think bigger think better. We all deserve that.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

Baker Mayfield is the only QB in this draft I would trade up to get.

[Kelsos cap]

3 hours ago, Punt75 said:

These are smart NFL men.  They are here for the LONG TERM!  Trading away two #1 picks and more isn't their style.  ESPECIALLY when there is NO standout Quarterback in this draft.  NO Manning, NO Luck and NO Newton.  It's a crap shoot and everybody knows that. 

 

Get a CB, LB or DL in the first Round.  Grab a QB like Rudolph, Falk or Lauletta in the 2nd.  With the other 2nd rounder get a RB or WR.  I can't image what we can do with two 3's, a 4 and two 5's to fill-out our needs.

 

Then take a look at Glennon, Bradford or Bridgewater for $7-8 mil as a veteran presence at QB.  We'll have Free Agency for the O-Line.

 

We've become a SMART organization!  It's very nice!

 

 

They are going rosen. Farm be damned. I endorse this message 

[FearLess Price]

If youve seen everything weve done this offseason and last, and still think we arent trading up for a QB, you might be really stupid. 

 

Anyone with a brain that doesnt want to create a speculation thread can see the question isnt if, its who and how far.

[GunnerBill]

Yes. They are trading up. 

[billsfan1959]

As with every other Bills fan, I hope they trade up and draft one of the top QBs who are sure to go in the top of the first round. However, at this point, it is mere speculation as to whether they actually trade up to draft a QB and, if so, which QB they covet. I do trust "the process" and the football acumen of the people in charge of building this team (something I haven't felt in many, many years), and Beane strikes me as detailed, disciplined, and practical.

 

The trade of Tyrod says, to me, that they have their plans (primary and contingency) in place and are very confident they will be able to execute one of those plans (free agent, trade up, select a QB later in Rd 1/early in Rd 2, or some combination) to put this team in a better position to compete, long-term, than if they had kept Tyrod.

 

I know what I hope they do and who I hope they select. But, in the end, I feel they have earned the trust, at least from me, that they will make the best decision possible for the short and long-term interests of this team.

[BillsFan2313]

10 hours ago, Punt75 said:

These are smart NFL men.  They are here for the LONG TERM!  Trading away two #1 picks and more isn't their style.  ESPECIALLY when there is NO standout Quarterback in this draft.  NO Manning, NO Luck and NO Newton.  It's a crap shoot and everybody knows that. 

 

Get a CB, LB or DL in the first Round.  Grab a QB like Rudolph, Falk or Lauletta in the 2nd.  With the other 2nd rounder get a RB or WR.  I can't image what we can do with two 3's, a 4 and two 5's to fill-out our needs.

 

Then take a look at Glennon, Bradford or Bridgewater for $7-8 mil as a veteran presence at QB.  We'll have Free Agency for the O-Line.

 

We've become a SMART organization!  It's very nice!

 

 

I hear this BS almost every year. Wentz sucked, Goff sucked, Watson sucked... blah blah blah. The only recent year where there was no standout was the EJ Manual draft class. This draft class is 100000× better. 

[PauleeeWalnuts]

10 hours ago, Punt75 said:

These are smart NFL men.  They are here for the LONG TERM!  Trading away two #1 picks and more isn't their style.  ESPECIALLY when there is NO standout Quarterback in this draft.  NO Manning, NO Luck and NO Newton.  It's a crap shoot and everybody knows that. 

 

Get a CB, LB or DL in the first Round.  Grab a QB like Rudolph, Falk or Lauletta in the 2nd.  With the other 2nd rounder get a RB or WR.  I can't image what we can do with two 3's, a 4 and two 5's to fill-out our needs.

 

Then take a look at Glennon, Bradford or Bridgewater for $7-8 mil as a veteran presence at QB.  We'll have Free Agency for the O-Line.

 

We've become a SMART organization!  It's very nice!

 

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they stay put, draft a QB and sign a veteran. They can fill a lot of needs with all of their picks, and they seem like the type of guys who really value draft picks. I could see them going either way really, it's going to be an interesting wait and see. 

[Kirby Jackson]

10 hours ago, Punt75 said:

These are smart NFL men.  They are here for the LONG TERM!  Trading away two #1 picks and more isn't their style.  ESPECIALLY when there is NO standout Quarterback in this draft.  NO Manning, NO Luck and NO Newton.  It's a crap shoot and everybody knows that. 

 

Get a CB, LB or DL in the first Round.  Grab a QB like Rudolph, Falk or Lauletta in the 2nd.  With the other 2nd rounder get a RB or WR.  I can't image what we can do with two 3's, a 4 and two 5's to fill-out our needs.

 

Then take a look at Glennon, Bradford or Bridgewater for $7-8 mil as a veteran presence at QB.  We'll have Free Agency for the O-Line.

 

We've become a SMART organization!  It's very nice!

 

Yeah if we can get Glennon and Rudolph we will be in great shape!!

[The_Dude]

12 hours ago, Punt75 said:

These are smart NFL men.  They are here for the LONG TERM!  Trading away two #1 picks and more isn't their style.  ESPECIALLY when there is NO standout Quarterback in this draft.  NO Manning, NO Luck and NO Newton.  It's a crap shoot and everybody knows that. 

 

Get a CB, LB or DL in the first Round.  Grab a QB like Rudolph, Falk or Lauletta in the 2nd.  With the other 2nd rounder get a RB or WR.  I can't image what we can do with two 3's, a 4 and two 5's to fill-out our needs.

 

Then take a look at Glennon, Bradford or Bridgewater for $7-8 mil as a veteran presence at QB.  We'll have Free Agency for the O-Line.

 

We've become a SMART organization!  It's very nice!

 

 

You’re advocating for raining deficient at QB and you’re calling it “smart.” I’ve another word for it. 

[bigduke6]

my take on this coaching/management staff so far,

 

they have a plan,   started working on it right after McBeane got here.

 

theyre sticking to it.

 

accumulating draft picks,  most likely to move up and grab their guy at QB

 

accumulated those draft picks because this was supposed to be the best QB draft in a decade

 

all of a sudden it doesnt look like the best QB draft in a decade.

 

somehow we won 9 games,  made the playoffs,  wasnt expected,  now we're stuck with crappy first round pick position,  add that to KCs  draft pick we acquired.

 

now things change significantly with the process.

 

i really dont believe OBD thought they would be in this exact position they find themselves in right  now.    spend alot for a chance at a QB,  or stay pat and build the rest of the team.

 

tough position to be in.   should be fun to watch.

[xRUSHx]

11 hours ago, BigDingus said:

 No standout QB?

 

Wtf are you talking about? There are no guarantees in the draft, yet every year you have QBs that rise to the top. This year is better than most, that's for sure.

 

Fans that think "wait until next year!" every year while watching the team go 18 years with no playoffs are ridiculous. 

 

You mention Manning, he wasn't a sure thing, or else why was there so many "experts" and teams wanting Leaf? Newton was better than others in his class, but not nearly as good as other less hyped QBs over the years. Aaron Rodgers, Drew Bread, Philip Rivers, Eli Manning, Big Ben etc all came out with less hype and have had better careers than Newton.

 

Wentz and Goff weren't sure things, yet look what they did. Russell Wilson and Derek Carr went after the 3rd round, yet 1 has won a SB, and the other has been better than anything the Bills have had since Kelly.

 

Rosen, Darnold and Mayfield have been more highly touted than most of the guys mentioned above, and yet you'd want to wait year after year after year after year, kicking the can down the street hoping the stars align and some gift from the heavens falls into our lap.

 

It rarely works that way, and in the past 10 years, the closest thing to a sure-thing has been Andrew Luck, and look what he's done lately. Point being waiting for some god-send is not a successful way to build a franchise. It is a good way of going another 18 years without playoffs though. 

 

Bingo! That's the problem with always waiting, sometimes you're stuck with a crappy hand year after year (like the year we drafted EJ Manuel) and missed your chance at legitimate talent. This year there are actual good prospects, some of the most promising in years, so waiting for a year better than this could be a looooong time away. 

Excellent post

[NewEraBills]

How far we trade up is the question.

[Chuck Wagon]

Going into the season with Glennon / Rudolph - Falk - Lauletta as the QBs is not what a "smart" organization would do.

[TigerJ]

At think point, I don't think a trade up is the most likely strategy for the Bills.  We'll see what happens in free agency.  That will have a strong effect on draft strategy.

[NewEraBills]

2 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

At think point, I don't think a trade up is the most likely strategy for the Bills.  We'll see what happens in free agency.  That will have a strong effect on draft strategy.

 

Honestly, they are either signing a FA or trading for a Vet, or they are trading way up.  They have pretty much put themselves into a situation where they have to do one or the other or all of the above.

Edited March 11, 2018 by NewEraBills

[Stank_Nasty]

yes. i believe 100% they will trade up and get whomever they deem fit. and i absolutely love that, even after a playoff birth, we still have the ammo to do that without crippling future drafts. Its called having your cake and eating it too. bills fans deserve it.... and it tastes ohhhh soooo good.

[Cripple Creek]

14 hours ago, Punt75 said:

These are smart NFL men.  They are here for the LONG TERM!  Trading away two #1 picks and more isn't their style.  ESPECIALLY when there is NO standout Quarterback in this draft.  NO Manning, NO Luck and NO Newton.  It's a crap shoot and everybody knows that. 

 

Get a CB, LB or DL in the first Round.  Grab a QB like Rudolph, Falk or Lauletta in the 2nd.  With the other 2nd rounder get a RB or WR.  I can't image what we can do with two 3's, a 4 and two 5's to fill-out our needs.

 

Then take a look at Glennon, Bradford or Bridgewater for $7-8 mil as a veteran presence at QB.  We'll have Free Agency for the O-Line.

 

We've become a SMART organization!  It's very nice!

 

You have lots of interesting opinions. Many of them are patently false, but interesting nonetheless. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...do I THINK they trade up?....McBeane employs about 16 scouts....I'd GUESS with his salary, the payroll is $3.5-$4 mil ALL on Pegula's nickel......pretty formidable gang of exec level folks from around the NFL....first the 2018 QB class probably has at least 6 viable candidates.....strong points, weak points, tape showing excellence and tape showing gaffes......attitudes and reserved.......bottom line is one of THE better classes in recent memory....so if you have a need, "take 'em while they're hot" and forget next year.....the time is here...I foresee (a/k/a unsubstantiated guess) two schools of thought for McBeane.....first, he covets his draft capital and has several scenarios who may be there at 21 or 22, with his pick in mind depending on how 1-20 unfolds....OR......he's movin' up to get his guy but only to a certain extent.......he has Plan A for that guy but knows how FAR and how MUCH he is willing to give up.....alternate Plans, B, C, D probably exist as to who may be available at his max moveup spot and who fits the McBeane/McD/McDaboll mold....another caviat is this gang going OL/DL or DL/OL with the 1sts and having a next tier QB in mind as their "franchise QB"....their definition and your definition probably differ wildly and there in NO definition in the Funk & Wagnalls.......so there you have it, my "War and Peace" novel like answer to the thread and the whole DAMN thing REMAINS "clear as mud".....

[gobills1212]

Its pretty clear there are two factions here in regard to how the draft is run. 

This has been established and discussed and will continue to be....

Yay

[26CornerBlitz]

It's perfectly appropriate that a guy with Punt in his TBD name is afraid to trade up to finally solve the Bills' 22 year long QB void. 

[Johnny Hammersticks]

Not only do I think they should trade up for a top QB, I think they should give this draftee Terrell Owens’ key to the city!!

 

I would be happy with Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield, Allen, and Lamar “action” Jackson...in that order.

[That's No Moon]

Not only do I think they don't trade up, I wouldn't be shocked if they trade down from 21 and collect more picks.

[Real McClappy]

[Ga boy]

We have many bridges to cross in the next 7 weeks.  If we get Bridgewater or another vet, my crystal ball says we stay put and pick up a rookie in 1st and/or 2nd.  Don't look desperate.  Let it come to you, and look like the smartest guy in the room.

[YoloinOhio]

12 hours ago, Kelsos cap said:

 

They are going rosen. Farm be damned. I endorse this message 

The “farm” is overrated. Sell it.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Yeah if we can get Glennon and Rudolph we will be in great shape!!

 

I read that and re-tasted last hour's lunch in my throat.

[Cripple Creek]

1 hour ago, That's No Moon said:

Not only do I think they don't trade up, I wouldn't be shocked if they trade down from 21 and collect more picks.

I disagree, but I agree with the way you stated your opinion.  The OP could learn a thing or 3 from you.

[Matt_In_NH]

A smart organization knows you need a great QB to build a winning franchise.  Sure you can make a run here and there, get into the playoffs sometimes and maybe, just maybe once in a blue moon win it all with a guy like Glennon or Bridgewater.  But to win year in and year out requires one main ingredient, a franchise QB.  A smart organization leaves no stone unturned, does not rule anything out when it comes to finding that franchise QB.  

 

I don't think the QB's are just a crap shoot this year either, sure there is no "Andrew Luck" but there seem to be 4 confirmed high end prospects.  You can have whatever DL, CB and LB you want, it wont affect wins and losses much.  A franchise QB on the other hand can directly contribute a lot to winning.    Just look at he Packers last year when Rodgers went out or SF when they started Garapplolo

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

19 hours ago, ColdFront_USAF said:

Next years qb class looks awful at this point, and other than Cousins (who's not an option) there is nobody available in free agency or trade that would fit the bill as a franchise passer. If there was ever a time to make a move and get your guy, this is the time. 

 

I'm not against moving up high in the draft however...

 

Last August this current years draft class was being talked about as the best ever.  Now for every article out there about someones strengths there's another questioning them. 

 

So based on how good the talent evaluators really are, not to say next years class may just as likely surprise in the positive

[Punt75]

8 hours ago, bigduke6 said:

all of a sudden it doesn't look like the best QB draft in a decade.

 

somehow we won 9 games,  made the playoffs,  wasn't expected,  now we're stuck with crappy first round pick position,  add that to KCs  draft pick we acquired.

 

now things change significantly with the process. 

 

Nobody really wants our crappy #21 & #22 picks - - everybody in Buffalo is dreaming.  Use our 9 picks in 5 rounds and re-build the team - the TEAM.  To contend year after year we need so much!