Daniel jeremiah mock has a key Bills message

[Magox]

So if there is a criticism of Jackson or comparing him to TT runs the risk of being labeled as lazy or racist?  Sounds risky and unfair.

 

Personally I think Lamar is way ahead where TT was at this point of his career.  Which makes him an intriguing prospect due to his arm strength and athleticism, but I do believe the comparison of not being a top end anticipation thrower is valid.  This is an area that he doesn't execute as well as some of the other prospects and I believe is completely valid to question.

 

Having said that, if the Bills have not traded up for either Rosen or Mayfield and Jackson is available at 21 then I think Jackson or for that matter Rudolph are available you have to seriously consider them.  I like both of their potential.

[H2o]

3 hours ago, DJB said:

Check out Daniel  Jeremiah  2nd mock post combine.

 

 

 

21. Rashad Evans

 

22. Lamar Jackson  - " I wouldn't  be surprised  if the Bills packaged some picks to move up for one of the other quarterbacks, but if they sit still  I could see them building  an offence around  Jackson  skill set.

 

 

Jeremiah  is extremely  connected. He's right down on the floor rubbing shoulders with our very own Bills management  and scouts. Obviously  many of us are hoping  this happens but to hear from someone  actually  in the know is very positive . 

 

 

(Sorry I don't know how to embed stuff and make it look all nice and clean, if someone  could  do that it would  be great ! )

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[Chicken Boo]

55 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...just a quick question (and not a smart azz one) about your assessment of Jackson versus TT......I've asked if Jackson is perhaps an "upscale TT" with more potential in areas where TT falls short (ain't rehashing 67,381 posts).....is he an upscale that could be trained to adapt to the pocket first versus one read and run mentality?...is that where you assess him to struggle mightily at the NFL level?..............

 

My belief is that almost any QB can be successful.  A lot depends on the coaching staff to put said QB in the right system while developing him along the way.

 

Andy Reid is the best in the business at this, in my opinion.  McNabb, AJ Feely, Kolb, Vick, Foles, Alex Smith...he just plain gets the best out of his QBs.

 

I'd trust Jackson with him and only him.  Other than that scenario, I'll believe Lamar can hack it when I see it.

Edited March 7, 2018 by Chicken Boo

[stinky finger]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

If you think that he plays anything like Tim Tebow you’ve probably never seen him play.  Jackson has an elite arm (that it is inconsistent). Tebow throws like a blind guy with no arms. 

 

I don't laugh out loud at much here.........but this.......

[H2o]

Wait till it comes out Lamar got a 6 on his Wonderlic. Let the VY comparisons fly!!!

[SmokinES3]

I've been watching everything I can on the guy.. Fantastic arm strength and athleticism. He throws a duck that makes you scratch your head and say WTF almost every game it seems. He throttled down to about 60% power at the combine and still couldn't feign any semblance of accuracy.  Do people really think the receiver talk came from nowhere? He reminds me a lot of Vick. If the FO likes him I'd love to be wrong.

Edited March 7, 2018 by SmokinES3

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

16 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

My belief is that almost any QB can be successful.  A lot depends on the coaching staff to put said QB in the right system while developing him along the way.

 

Andy Reid is the best in the business at this, in my opinion.  McNabb, AJFeely, Kolb, Vick, Foles, Ales Smith...he just plain gets the best out of his QBs.

 

I'd trust Jackson with him and only him.  Other than that scenario, I'll believe Lamar can hack it when I see it.

 

...thanks for your assessment and point of view....much appreciated bud...

[Joaquin1119]

Mayfield is my first choice too. But if we end up drafting Lamar Jackson I also be ok with it. BUT if TT is the starter I don’t want LJ learning from TT at all. So if LJ end up being a buffalo bills. Hopefully that kid end up being a star. Hell any QB we draft ends up being a star. I just want a QB 

[Green Lightning]

The thing that bothers me about Lamarr is his lack of accuracy. I have heard it time and time again that footwork and accuracy can be coached up but it never seems to happen. Then I hear revisionist stats such as - if nobody dropped a pass on him he'd be 10 pct pts higher in his completion rate. For once why not draft a QB that is accurate from the get-go and can throw comfortably from the pocket. I am tired of bouncing passes off the turf, missed slants and passes that need receivers with 8 foot wingspans to have a chance at the reception.. 

[ThunderGun]

3 hours ago, joesixpack said:

 

Any time I hear the word "dynamic" associated with a QB, it leads me to believe they'll never work long-term in the NFL.

 

See: Kaepernick, Colin and Taylor, Tyrod.

 

Tyrod Taylor is a former 6th round pick, going into his 8th year in the league, coming off 3 consecutive years starting... pretty sure he's worked out long term, and out performed his draft status.

 

Wentz, Prescott, Wilson, Watson, Mariota, Newton (not big on, but went to a SB), are all pretty "dynamic"... 

[YattaOkasan]

22 minutes ago, ThunderGun said:

Tyrod Taylor is a former 6th round pick, going into his 8th year in the league, coming off 3 consecutive years starting... pretty sure he's worked out long term, and out performed his draft status.

 

Wentz, Prescott, Wilson, Watson, Mariota, Newton (not big on, but went to a SB), are all pretty "dynamic"... 

You could argue Kap was successful considering he lead a super bowl appearance. 

[BobbyC81]

48 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

You could argue Kap was successful considering he lead a super bowl appearance. 

 

Kap was pretty awesome at times in his first 2.5 seasons as a starter, both running and throwing.  Then Harbaugh left the Niners, Jim Thomsula took over in, Kap struggled and was benched.  Kelly took over the next season and named Gabbert the starter but Kap seemed to rebound when he started vs the Bills in week 6 and finished the year strong but the team stunk.

Edited March 7, 2018 by LittleJoeCartwright

[Domdab99]

4 hours ago, the skycap said:

For what it's worth, Rosen threw for 10 less TDs and 1 less INT than Lamar Jackson in his collegiate career

 

The word you're looking for is "fewer."

[Bag of Milk]

2 hours ago, H2o said:

Wait till it comes out Lamar got a 6 on his Wonderlic. Let the VY comparisons fly!!!

lol

 

Just remember, Jim Kelly had a score of 15 on the Wonderlic. So if it's low we can also compare him to Jimbo.

[LABILLBACKER]

6 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

 

Seriously.  The “Lamar Jackson is Tyrod 2.0” argument is just dumb.  Lazy, ignorant assessment, IMO.

Lamar will be better than Tyrod in more ways than just athleticism. If we can save a ton of picks and still draft a QB with a ceiling somewhere between Bridgewater and Watson, I'd be very happy with that. Allen smells of bust. Rosen and Darnold will be gone. Mayfield is still 6-0. Lamar should be the target!

[transplantbillsfan]

I think if we draft Jackson there's going to be a faction of this board up in arms about how Jackson is just Taylor 2.0 and McBeane failed before even seeing him play.

 

Gonna be hilarious if he's who we draft... and I think he's our most likely pick

 

 

And FTR, I want Mayfield then Darnold then Jackson then Rosen then Rudolph then Allen... in that order.

[#34fan]

I hate Jeremiah's mock.. Phish take Lamar Jackson if he's still on the board... Cowboys will take Ridley if he's still on the board... Provided those hold up then Da'ron Payne will be available... The Bills won't pass that up... Rashaan Evans would be great at 22, (if you're not too scared of a potential groin issue) If not, I could see them trading down for more picks...

[GunnerBill]

9 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

They are black and run all of the time. Same guy...

 

Also, they can’t read defenses or process information. Jackson is a combination of Tyrod, Vick, Watson, Leftwich, Doug Williams, Jameis, David Garrard and 1/2 of Russell Wilson (the half that runs all of the time).

 

You forgot Bridgewater, who might be the most classic 'pro style' pocket Quarterback to come out of the draft in 5 or 6 years and yet is constantly referred to as "athletic" by which people mean "black".  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 hours ago, ThunderGun said:

Tyrod Taylor is a former 6th round pick, going into his 8th year in the league, coming off 3 consecutive years starting... pretty sure he's worked out long term, and out performed his draft status.

 

Wentz, Prescott, Wilson, Watson, Mariota, Newton (not big on, but went to a SB), are all pretty "dynamic"... 

 

One of those guys won a super bowl. One. And the only reason TT started three years is he played HERE. No competent franchise would have let that happen.

4 hours ago, Domdab99 said:

 

The word you're looking for is "fewer."

 

English: hard since 1066

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, Domdab99 said:

 

The word you're looking for is "fewer."

 

Yea that "less" instead of "fewer" thing bugs the hell out of me.  Just say it to yourself and it even sounds wrong.  

8 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

 

Rosen also had way too many balls batted at the line for a 6'4 qb

 

I'm high on Rosen - he is my QB#1 - but you are absolutely right on this point.  That is on my scouting report.  

[smuvtalker]

9 hours ago, whatdrought said:

I wouldn't be too happy if Mayfield gets into the late teens and we don't swing a trade for him.

If Mayfield gets into the late teens and we don't have a QB on our roster with the last name Rosen, I'll vomit. Violently.

[H2o]

Any QB not named Mayfield or Rosen will be a miss imo. This scenario would be disastrous in that it would set us back at least 3 years again. 

[JM57]

11 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

Yet at the same time the kid has a less than 60% completion percentage and his rushing numbers are off the charts, if he did this in college no doubt he did the same in high school and pop warner etc. He was the 12th ranked duel threat QB entering college. Stuff like this scares me as makes me worry that they need to learn to change from a running QB to a QB that can run (in my opinion two vastly different things). 

List of offensive players from Louisville drafted since Lamar Jackson became QB:

 

 

 

 

 

*end*

 

Completion percentage and rushing yards were a direct result of him having to play a little bit of hero ball, playing with literally no upperclassmen worthy of being drafted.

[The Jokeman]

8 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

making plays with your legs is highly overrated? You sir do not understand how players make impactful plays. I guess Kaep's plays with his legs against the Packers in the playoffs was pretty overrated. It only resulted in a superbowl appearance. Pretty overrated. Christ.

 

I guess Russel Wilson and Cam the 2015 MVP are pretty overrated lol. GTFO

Cam and Russell also had great passing numbers those years which helped propel them to another level.

1 minute ago, JM57 said:

List of offensive players from Louisville drafted since Lamar Jackson became QB:

 

 

 

 

 

*end*

 

Completion percentage and rushing yards were a direct result of him having to play a little bit of hero ball, playing with literally no upperclassmen worthy of being drafted.

And? Were any of Drew Brees team mates drafted? What about Rodgers' at Cal or even Alex Smith from Utah State? That's the thing when you start making excuses why a QB its shifting the blame. If Jackson was the elite QB everyone making him out to be he'd be in the top 2 discussion but he's not.

[Coach Tuesday]

Jackson’s accuracy issues come from his odd base set.  He has a very untraditional stance and his a wrist-flicker.  He has an incredible arm to be able to make throws like he does without driving through his lower body.  I don’t know if it’s fixable or even if you’d want to try to tinker with his mechanics.  He is an incredible athlete and he’s going to scare the daylights out of defensive coordinators.  He’ll need to go to a smart offensive coordinator and we do happen to have one.  I’d still prefer Mayfield or possibly Rosen but I guess I can see the appeal.

[FeelingOnYouboty]

13 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

I respect Jeremiah as a talent evaluator yet disagree with his thoughts regarding Jackson, as to me Jackson is a taller version of Tyrod which to me not a significant improvement. 

 

Other than them being black there really isn't a comparison. 

[PolishDave]

10 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

Lamar's legend grows on this board and gets more and more ridiculous with each passing day.

 

Keep Jackson in the pocket, run a zone and render him useless.

 

These delusions of him being this prolific passer from the pocket are just that - delusions.  He is going to struggle mightily against NFL caliber defenses.

 

I've noticed this also and agree completely.    Bills fans have a way of talking themselves into bad ideas for some reason.

 

Even if the guy ends up being a decent starter in the NFL, he is not going to last much past age 30 unless he transitions from being a dual threat QB into a pure pocket passer.

 

Wouldn't you rather have a guy who is an above average passer that can run this team 95-100% of his entire lengthy NFL career like a Big Ben or Brady or Rivers or Manning(s)?

 

At best with Jackson, he is probably good for a few years somewhere between the ages of 27-30 and then fades away as his legs start to no longer be an important factor.

 

Probably better odds starting out with a guy who is a primary pocket passer who only runs in key situations where he needs a few yards for a first down and sees the opportunity to run for it.   

[Tatonka68]

Jackson is Smoke......

[ddaryl]

I expect Jackson to be available in the 2nd rd. He just does not have the vision, accuracy, mechanics or anticipation worthy of a 1st rd pick.. He has a high ceiling and is a gifted athlete but way to risky to spend a 1st rd pick on.

[FearLess Price]

If Mayfield lasts passed 10, passed up cuz of Allens 'physical hype' and we haven't traded up for him yet, im gonna be looking @this OBD team sideways for a long time.

[Mikie's Bills]

I've said this before, but imo a lot of mock draft experts are overlooking Lamar Jackson's potential fit with the Chargers at 17. 

 

I'm betting Lynn is pounding the table for this guy to run the same offense Tyrod ran with Shady 2 years ago. Jackson/Gordon read option= top 3 rushing offense, and with that Defensive front 7? That's a recipe for contending for a playoff spot year in and out. A true successor to Philip Rivers one year from now where Jackson can redshirt a year and learn a lot from. Just saying that I don't think it's a given that Jackson even makes it to 21.

 

That being said if they don't move up I'm fine with them taking Jackson. Can sit behind Tyrod for a year and get used to taking snaps from under center.

 

[starrymessenger]

11 hours ago, Green Lightning said:

The thing that bothers me about Lamarr is his lack of accuracy. I have heard it time and time again that footwork and accuracy can be coached up but it never seems to happen. Then I hear revisionist stats such as - if nobody dropped a pass on him he'd be 10 pct pts higher in his completion rate. For once why not draft a QB that is accurate from the get-go and can throw comfortably from the pocket. I am tired of bouncing passes off the turf, missed slants and passes that need receivers with 8 foot wingspans to have a chance at the reception.. 

 

Footwork and accuracy can be coached - sometimes. Not all prospects can do it but some can. The great Aaron Rodgers has a tendency to mess up his throwing mechanics. It was considered a negative when he was drafted. It just about gutted the Packer's season couple of years ago in a four or five game stretch if memory serves. When that happens his QB coach gets on his case and they work through it until the real Aaron Rodgers shows up.

Lamar Jackson knows what he has to do to improve his accuracy. Its up to him now to prove that he can do it. No guarantees but I think the evidence suggests that he can improve as a pocket passer. Given what all else he can do I think that makes him a first round guy without question.

[Jauronimo]

16 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

I respect Jeremiah as a talent evaluator yet disagree with his thoughts regarding Jackson, as to me Jackson is a taller version of Tyrod which to me not a significant improvement. 

If we had a taller version of Tyrod then we could get taller linemen too.  Its a win win.

[Solomon Grundy]

12 hours ago, Domdab99 said:

 

The word you're looking for is "fewer."

 

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea that "less" instead of "fewer" thing bugs the hell out of me.  Just say it to yourself and it even sounds wrong.  

 

I'm high on Rosen - he is my QB#1 - but you are absolutely right on this point.  That is on my scouting report.  

Sorry I'm not a wordsmith.

[GunnerBill]

33 minutes ago, the skycap said:

 

Sorry I'm not a wordsmith.

 

Sorry wasn't meant as a dig at you skycap. It is one of my general pet irritations. 

[John from Riverside]

Im trying to figure out how poster's talking about Lamar and "keeping him in the pocket" is actually a thing

 

LAMAR JACKSON IS NOT TYROD TAYLOR......they are both athletic and can run but that is where the comparison stops

 

Lamar throws from the pocket.  And he actually THROWS the ball.....take a look at his passing TDs in the short amount of time for crying out loud.  Stop being so lazy with your analysis.

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, Mikie's Bills said:

I've said this before, but imo a lot of mock draft experts are overlooking Lamar Jackson's potential fit with the Chargers at 17. 

 

I'm betting Lynn is pounding the table for this guy to run the same offense Tyrod ran with Shady 2 years ago. Jackson/Gordon read option= top 3 rushing offense, and with that Defensive front 7? That's a recipe for contending for a playoff spot year in and out. A true successor to Philip Rivers one year from now where Jackson can redshirt a year and learn a lot from. Just saying that I don't think it's a given that Jackson even makes it to 21.

 

That being said if they don't move up I'm fine with them taking Jackson. Can sit behind Tyrod for a year and get used to taking snaps from under center.

 

 

So I had the Chargers trading back into the 1st in my initial mock draft to take Jackson. But as Yolo rightly pointed out the GM there is a Polian disciple and Polian has been as critical as anyone of Jackson. 

[Spielman]

19 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

Forget about Lamar Jackson.....is Rashaan Evans worth a first round pick?

Yeah.  He will be the best LB from this draft.  Can do it all and play inside or outside.  

6 hours ago, ddaryl said:

I expect Jackson to be available in the 2nd rd. He just does not have the vision, accuracy, mechanics or anticipation worthy of a 1st rd pick.. He has a high ceiling and is a gifted athlete but way to risky to spend a 1st rd pick on.

I gotta laugh when I read this stuff.  The guy throws for over 300 yds per game, runs for 100 plus per game, wins a Heisman, has a cannon got an arm, has the size ..... but he lacks in all these areas above. Come on .  Kelly had a worse completion percentage coming out.  

 

I would love to see him with the Bills.  He is twice the player Tyrod is.  Get him some receivers, a tight end and we’ll have a great offense. 

[Like A Mofo]

20 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Please explain how this is the case.

 

 

I think we really know the answer as to why it is the case.

[ddaryl]

25 minutes ago, Loosh said:

 

I gotta laugh when I read this stuff.  The guy throws for over 300 yds per game, runs for 100 plus per game, wins a Heisman, has a cannon got an arm, has the size ..... but he lacks in all these areas above. Come on .  Kelly had a worse completion percentage coming out.  

 

I would love to see him with the Bills.  He is twice the player Tyrod is.  Get him some receivers, a tight end and we’ll have a great offense. 

 

 

I really don't understand how anyone thinks this guy is going to all of sudden be accurate go through reads. You can not teach accuracy and Lamar is well documented of having accuracy issues, mechanical issues, and an inabiltiy to dissect defenses and read a full field consistently

 

You say he throws for 300 yds a game.. Not even close.. 7 games he threw for 300 yds (actually 1 is recorded at 299 but I let you have that)  in 2017 out of 13 games. Of those 7 games 4 of them  were losses. So how many of those 300 yd games were deseperate throws against a prevent D.. and he only threw for 300 yds in10 games in his entire college career.

 

SO the guy throws for 10 300 yds games in his entire college career and 5 of them were for a loss.

 

I wouldn't touch Lamar until round 2 and even then I would hang my hopes on him

Edited March 7, 2018 by ddaryl