D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 10 minutes ago, davspo said: That would mean that Cleveland, the Jets and the Cardinals are the only teams that are definite to select a qb before the Bills. The Giants may or may not. Bills could move up to the 10 to 14 range without leveraging the future. Don't rule out teams like Miami, Chargers and Bengals though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Jamie Muellers Ghost said: Early birds get the worms, McBeane still recovering from Eric Wood fiasco. Or he really meant it when he said we're building through the draft so don't expect any big FA signings. 1 hour ago, Jamie Muellers Ghost said: Early birds get the worms, McBeane still recovering from Eric Wood fiasco. Or he really meant it when he said we're building through the draft so don't expect any big FA signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: I think it's possible that Cousins' agent was given permission to talk to other teams, and that he has the framework of a deal with Denver in place. I also think it's possible that Denver and Washington--knowing that--agreed upon compensation. Likely? Meh, not sure. Nope. The transition tag only mandates the level of compensation if a player signs an offer sheet with a new team. Once Cousins signs the transition tender, he is under contract and can be traded for any agreed-upon compensation. So from Washington's standpoint what is the reason to do this now versus seeing if anybody offers better? Cousins is in stasis until March unless he sign's with a Euro league or the XFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) Damn. Our QB upgrade options are quickly disappearing. Smith, Cousins, McCarren... I am starting to be more and more on board with a trade up for Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold. I am not seeing many options left for an upgrade at QB. But I really don't know that Beane will be willing to give up how draft to move way up for a QB, especially sitting at #21. It is starting to look like a lot of people (including myself) may be disappointed at what the Bills roll out at QB next season. Unfortunately, this may not be a problem that the Bills can solve this year. But there is still a lot of time, so I'm not giving up hope yet by any means. We are just going to have to draft our long term solution. Buffalo is not a destination and probably never will be (unless we somehow turn into a true perennial super bowl contender) Edited January 31, 2018 by BillsFan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Has this been substantiated anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, Virgil said: Has this been substantiated anywhere? All speculation still. Nothing concrete / verifiable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, Virgil said: Has this been substantiated anywhere? No. Not that it matters on TSW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, RochesterRob said: So from Washington's standpoint what is the reason to do this now versus seeing if anybody offers better? Cousins is in stasis until March unless he sign's with a Euro league or the XFL Not sure...could be a number of things... Maybe Cousins' agent shopped around and--of the teams he'd be happy to go to--Denver offered the most in compensation. Maybe the feedback from Cousins' agent is that teams would rather take their chances that they can sign him on the open market, and Washington decided they'd rather get something for him before he walks. Again, this is all speculation. All I was speaking to is that the mechanics of a trade are fairly straightforward: give agent permission, agent gets deal framework, GMs speak and agree to compensation, Cousins gets the transition tag prior to March 14, Cousins signs the tag, teams submit paperwork for trade, Cousins officially signs extension once traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, Virgil said: Has this been substantiated anywhere? No, because it's nonsense and NFL would never allow it since it skirts their tampering rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yav Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Well, if all this is true then I guess we can stop with all the Cousins and Alex Smith talk on here. Bring on Bradford talk, it'll be great watching him play in 5 games before he gets hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTBill Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 As far as it "happening already" - that's not quite possible/above board. As far as agents and teams talking in principle about a signing, that would not shock me. And the charade can go on 'til March... Only way a trade could happen is if the Redskins do a tag again - which would allow other teams to sign him, but they'd lose picks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Cousins and Denver agree to a long-term deal. Washington and Denver agree to trade compensation. Washington signs him to the deal he worked out with Denver and trades him to Denver. The question is why does Cousins agree to a long-term deal? This stifles his ability to test the water with others and drive up his price. Washington lost leverage when the news broke that they have a trade in place for Alex Smith, so I dunno why he would agree to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, TheTruthHurts said: I am not sure I believe this. The league does not allow trades until the new year starts and Kirk Cousins at that point woul not be under contract. Alex Smith can happen because he still had a year left on his contract, but there are rules for guys that have been franchised. Unless there is a window that Washington could sign him before the start of the new year and then trade him afterwards - this seems phony. Even then there would be potential salary cap implications unless the contract is written specifically to prevent that with the trade - such as base pay to start the year - signing bonus after the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 41 minutes ago, McBean said: Is Donny boy your source? Yup. We are at Walleye Willies right now. Jealous? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 I think I will ignore this rumor until someone more credible than Cowherd is reporting it. Does not make sense from many perspectives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Did anyone even hear cowherd say this? Nothing on his Twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, MDFan said: I think I will ignore this rumor until someone more credible than Cowherd is reporting it. Does not make sense from many perspectives. Schefter was on his weekly spot on local station today and while he didn’t report this, he did say he believed Washington was likely open to his agent talking to other teams for awhile now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boco357 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said: Super Bowl 52 week headlines! ALEX SMITH TRADED! COUSINS TO DENVER! it's also super bowl 52 week... I can't remember a SB with less juice than this one. Maybe SF-SD, but at least that had Young storyline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: I am not sure I believe this. The league does not allow trades until the new year starts and Kirk Cousins at that point woul not be under contract. Alex Smith can happen because he still had a year left on his contract, but there are rules for guys that have been franchised. Unless there is a window that Washington could sign him before the start of the new year and then trade him afterwards - this seems phony. Even then there would be potential salary cap implications unless the contract is written specifically to prevent that with the trade - such as base pay to start the year - signing bonus after the trade. ....only possible thing I can think of is that all 2017 player agreements do not expire until March 14.......so even though Cousins is a UFA, technically his 2017 tag deal does not expire until March 14 (I think).....I'm guessing the Smith tariff was too tall for Beane as well as extension duration so Cousins is out who gets more money and probably 5 years.....Beane and McD are committed to building through the draft so their bridge vet is probably a 2 year scenario to groom the new 1st round QB and Peterman.....guys like McCown and Stanton are probably on their radar for openers.....also guessing that Rudolph is their pick at 21/22, preserving draft capital versus moving up.... Edited January 31, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Maybe the agent is trying to drive the price up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, boco357 said: I can't remember a SB with less juice than this one. Maybe SF-SD, but at least that had Young storyline. PHIL takes 20-3 lead. NE wins 21-20 because of poor clock mgmt and PI call vs PHIL. PHIL receiver catches the ball at the three stumbles into end zone and loses the ball after getting hit in the EZ.Ball rolls out of bounds. 1st and 10 NE at their 20. Edited January 31, 2018 by Tcali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Ok here is the difference in the 2 pending QB transactions. 1. Any teams are ok to talk trades even though they can't be finalized until the new league year. In Alex Smiths case this is what has transpired. And if KC wants to grant permission for Washington to negotiate what deal will be signed when the trade is finalized...that is Kansas City's choice as far as I know. Again, deal can't be made or contract signed until new league year. 2. In the case of Cousins, he is still under contract and set to be a free agent when the new league year hits. If Washington can work out the trade parameters they are still withing their rights to tag him and negotiate a deal with Denver. They can also give permission to work on a deal to be signed upon trade completion. In both cases, nothing is official. Either deal could conceivably fall apart until completed. In any event there really isn't a case for tampering as both players likely have permission from the team that owns their rights to negotiate. Very similar to when Colin Kapernick was allowed to visit Denver's facility and try to work a deal a couple of off-seasons ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 49 minutes ago, Yav said: Well, if all this is true then I guess we can stop with all the Cousins and Alex Smith talk on here. Bring on Bradford talk, it'll be great watching him play in 5 games before he gets hurt. You think he will go that long? Or were you including preseason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Yav said: Well, if all this is true then I guess we can stop with all the Cousins and Alex Smith talk on here. Bring on Bradford talk, it'll be great watching him play in 5 games before he gets hurt. 10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: You think he will go that long? Or were you including preseason? Lasted one game this season and attempted to come back which lasted 2 quarters. I see 3 quarters next season as his goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, Captain Murica said: Lasted one game this season and attempted to come back which lasted 2 quarters. I see 3 quarters next season as his goal. ...could be lofty.......what's the Vegas over/under?................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 20 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Oh the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Oh the internet ....two choices..... 1. Find the Pegula jet 2. Find Chapstick Chad ...the truth shall set us free................ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKBills25 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Things are opening up for us to draft Mayfeild ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 9 minutes ago, DKBills25 said: Things are opening up for us to draft Mayfeild ? yeah I think its going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jacobo Peterman Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Having to overpay for free agents has been the bane of the Bills. Cap issues are now compounded by Wood's forced retirement leaving OBD with way to too many holes to fill to snag Cousins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: But the trade deadline for the current season was back in November. So they can't trade him in this season, and unless they franchise him, he's a FA as soon as the new league year (and trades) are allowed March 14th. I was wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 4 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Haven't seen this on Cowherd's feed or that of his show. No other NFL "insider" has anything on this either. Cowherd reported it in his final hour today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Just now, LABILLBACKER said: Cowherd reported it in his final hour today. Figured it was something verbal. Doesn't seem to add up upon further scrutiny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 As much as I may not want to admit it, Denver makes much more sense than Buffalo for Cousins. Yes, they were worse than us this season, but they are barely 2 years removed from winning the Super Bowl. They have a veteran team, a lot of good, skilled playmakers on offense and a good QB could really put them over the top again (assuming their defense rebounds). The head coach may be a question mark at the moment, but other than that they have a whole lot going for them. I feel that Buffalo is a team on the rise and should be looked at more favorably by free agents. But we just this year broke a 17yr playoff drought. I'm guessing that the Bills have a lot more proving to do to the rest of the league before we are really taken seriously by free agents looking to win (especially if they're not just looking to win, but win a championship). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 3 hours ago, Virgil said: Which rumor is this? That the Giants covet Barkley and aren't looking to draft a QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 Just now, eball said: That the Giants covet Barkley and aren't looking to draft a QB The Giants should take heed from the drafting of Kamara and Hunt in the 3rd round last season and there's also the deep/talented 2018 RB class to consider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) So OBD again asleep at the wheel, no Smith, no Cousins, does this mean no high draft pick used on a QB either? So sick of OBD going all in on QB purgatory, will Tyrod return or some other teams backup again? Same fail different staff. They never try for one so we will never have one. Edited February 1, 2018 by xRUSHx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted February 1, 2018 Share Posted February 1, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Schefter was on his weekly spot on local station today and while he didn’t report this, he did say he believed Washington was likely open to his agent talking to other teams for awhile now That part is believable. Personally, I hope the rumour to Denver is true. I don't want this guy on the Bills, while I realize this probably puts me in the minority opinion. I would rather see another QB spot open in front of the Bills in the draft. Edited February 1, 2018 by MDFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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