Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 I heard this is done deal as well as Mccarron to Browns. Not sure how the trade is going down with Denver but hearing it is a sign and trade and involves aqib Talib. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Von Miller is already talking it up. Good trade for both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Kind of strange that these things are happening so quickly. You would think someone else could potentially swoop in and raise the stakes since anything announced is not official. Just now, dave mcbride said: Von Miller is already talking it up. Good trade for both sides. Trade? Interesting, does that mean they would have to sign him first since he's a free agent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I heard this is done deal as well as Mccarron to Browns. Not sure how the trade is going down with Denver but hearing it is a sign and trade and involves aqib Talib. That makes a lot of sense, and partly explains why they felt comfortable with trading Fuller. I still wouldn't like the way it all went down if I were a Redskins fan but it's a little better now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 I don't get it. Did the Redskins cut Cousins? If not, he can't be talking to Denver; it violates his contract with Washington. It's tampering. And if they DID cut him, doesn't Denver talking to him violate the free agency rules? What am I missing? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 5 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: Skipper!!!!! The city of Denver was named for one of Bob "Gilligan" Denver's ancestors. I think my hunch of Bradford if healthy to the Bills may be more and more likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Haven't seen this on Cowherd's feed or that of his show. No other NFL "insider" has anything on this either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 31, 2018 Author Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, Shaw66 said: I don't get it. Did the Redskins cut Cousins? If not, he can't be talking to Denver; it violates his contract with Washington. It's tampering. And if they DID cut him, doesn't Denver talking to him violate the free agency rules? What am I missing? I'm guessing Cousins gets traded. I don't think you need to make public if permission was given to talk to other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: I don't get it. Did the Redskins cut Cousins? If not, he can't be talking to Denver; it violates his contract with Washington. It's tampering. And if they DID cut him, doesn't Denver talking to him violate the free agency rules? What am I missing? If Wash allows his agent to talk to Denver it’s not tampering. No FA rules involved if it’s a trade Edited January 31, 2018 by YoloinOhio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I heard this is done deal as well as Mccarron to Browns. Not sure how the trade is going down with Denver but hearing it is a sign and trade and involves aqib Talib. Yolo, where are you getting this info, just curious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Shaw66 said: I don't get it. Did the Redskins cut Cousins? If not, he can't be talking to Denver; it violates his contract with Washington. It's tampering. And if they DID cut him, doesn't Denver talking to him violate the free agency rules? What am I missing? I thought that since Cousins was under contract last season that in turn means he is not able to negotiate until March. I thought working trades at this point was against the spirit of the rules. Oh well, I might learn something new today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, TheTruthHurts said: I'm guessing Cousins gets traded. I don't think you need to make public if permission was given to talk to other teams. Thanks. Those are both good points. But can he get traded if he isn't under contract for 2018? He isn't under contract until he's franchised and he's signed. It may be true, but it seems kind of odd in this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: I don't get it. Did the Redskins cut Cousins? If not, he can't be talking to Denver; it violates his contract with Washington. It's tampering. And if they DID cut him, doesn't Denver talking to him violate the free agency rules? What am I missing? I wouldn't be surprised in this case if the Redskins told Cousins that if you don't want to be here then go to the market and get back to us so we can work out a compensation deal. Edited January 31, 2018 by JohnC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, RochesterRob said: I thought that since Cousins was under contract last season that in turn means he is not able to negotiate until March. I thought working trades at this point was against the spirit of the rules. Oh well, I might learn something new today. See Yolo's post above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Has always been my (and many others') assumption that Kirk will sign with Denver. With Smith gone, the FA cupboard isn't looking inspiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, horned dogs said: Yolo, where are you getting this info, just curious? Dunkirk Don j/k 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 6 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: I don't get it. Did the Redskins cut Cousins? If not, he can't be talking to Denver; it violates his contract with Washington. It's tampering. And if they DID cut him, doesn't Denver talking to him violate the free agency rules? What am I missing? He's not under contract with Washington. He's an unrestricted free agent. Washington hasn't tagged him either, so they have no rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 I would also expect Cousins to do his search more deliberately than this. Washington didn't tell him to look for a deal until they locked up Smith, at least I wouldn't think so, so that means Cousins made a decision really fast. Maybe he knew all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Dunkirk Don j/k I thought it was SaviorPeterman and the mysterious "reliable sources". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, horned dogs said: Yolo, where are you getting this info, just curious? Lackawanna Lenny ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, Luxy312 said: He's not under contract with Washington. He's an unrestricted free agent. Washington hasn't tagged him either, so they have no rights. He's not a UFA until the 2018 League year begins. Right now he's on Washington's roster just as the Alex Smith trade is unofficial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simool Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Luxy312 said: He's not under contract with Washington. He's an unrestricted free agent. Washington hasn't tagged him either, so they have no rights. He is until 4pm March 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Cousins had been destined for Denver for a while. He wants to play for a team that doesn't need much to become a winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Just now, Luxy312 said: I thought it was SaviorPeterman and the mysterious "reliable sources". When he gets out of his high level business meetings, we will get the real scoop from his west coast sources 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 1 minute ago, Luxy312 said: He's not under contract with Washington. He's an unrestricted free agent. Washington hasn't tagged him either, so they have no rights. He's not an unrestricted free agent until the period ends for the Redskins to franchise him. I think that's early March. Until then, he is exclusively Washington property. As others have said, he only can talk to other teams if the Redskins gave him permission, which may have happened. However, it's interesting that if Washington gave him permission, say, a week ago, that that information didn't leak out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 The more teams that get out of the QB market give the Bills a better chance in the draft I guess. I was hoping for Cousins or Smith (plus a guy in the draft). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 if yolo is right...talib to dc to pair with norman. nasty. cousins to denver with sanders and thomas...nasty. then denver can take that kid from fl state at cb to replace talib and their defense doesn't lose a beat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Denver is a good situation for a QB to go to. Hard to blame Cousins. Elway has proven to be good at filling the roster with talent and they have good WR's. 1 minute ago, aristocrat said: if yolo is right...talib to dc to pair with norman. nasty. cousins to denver with sanders and thomas...nasty. then denver can take that kid from fl state at cb to replace talib and their defense doesn't lose a beat. I think Elway has had enough of Talib and his chain stealing show so this would make sense to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Muellers Ghost Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Early birds get the worms, McBeane still recovering from Eric Wood fiasco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: He's not an unrestricted free agent until the period ends for the Redskins to franchise him. I think that's early March. Until then, he is exclusively Washington property. As others have said, he only can talk to other teams if the Redskins gave him permission, which may have happened. However, it's interesting that if Washington gave him permission, say, a week ago, that that information didn't leak out. I don't disagree with all of that and the NFL is clearly not transparent in this regard. Cousins has already said that he's testing free agency and doesn't plan to sign anything. So IMO, the Alex Smith signing suggests what you're talking about. At the end of the day, the Redskins could get as much as a 3rd round pick by letting Cousins talk to other teams, by means of a compensatory pick. Washington gains nothing by just making him wait, other than pissing him off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 9 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: Thanks. Those are both good points. But can he get traded if he isn't under contract for 2018? He isn't under contract until he's franchised and he's signed. It may be true, but it seems kind of odd in this situation. Redskins have him under contract until new season starts...i think mid March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I heard this is done deal as well as Mccarron to Browns. Not sure how the trade is going down with Denver but hearing it is a sign and trade and involves aqib Talib. How can it be a sign-and-trade? Unless Washington does franchise Cousins and he agrees to sign and be traded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 8 minutes ago, mattynh said: The more teams that get out of the QB market give the Bills a better chance in the draft I guess. I was hoping for Cousins or Smith (plus a guy in the draft). The Bills would still have to jump to 6th so Denver does not really play a role in this. It's too bad this can't be the Giants, Jets or the Browns making the trade.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, nucci said: Redskins have him under contract until new season starts...i think mid March. But the trade deadline for the current season was back in November. So they can't trade him in this season, and unless they franchise him, he's a FA as soon as the new league year (and trades) are allowed March 14th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guffalo Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 But wait...I thought the Broncos had Chad Kelly to take them to the next level? Why would they screw up his progress by signing an overpaid washed up QB (Sarcasm off). I had heard that Kelly was supposed to have something, what is his next step? CFL, XFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Muellers Ghost Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 (edited) Realistic Bills options left: Minnesota's scraps Move up and throw away picks Stand pat for Manuel/Peterman style pick Edited January 31, 2018 by Jamie Muellers Ghost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, Luxy312 said: I don't disagree with all of that and the NFL is clearly not transparent in this regard. Cousins has already said that he's testing free agency and doesn't plan to sign anything. So IMO, the Alex Smith signing suggests what you're talking about. At the end of the day, the Redskins could get as much as a 3rd round pick by letting Cousins talk to other teams, by means of a compensatory pick. Washington gains nothing by just making him wait, other than pissing him off. That makes sense, and I'm not arguing, because I don't know, but if Denver gave them a compensatory pick in order to talk to Cousins early, wouldn't that trade have to be announced? It's a deal - I let you talk to Cousins early, and if you sign him I get your X pick. That's a trade, and trades have to be reported to the league. The reason this sounds fishy to me is that the rules are set up to keep the free agency playing field level. To have all of this happening in secret, to have Denver just announce sometime "we had a deal with Washington to talk to Cousins early and we've reached a deal with Cousins and he's going to sign with us" doesn't seem at all how the free agent market is supposed to work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Maybe I am missing something, maybe someone can help me out. The trade cant go through til the year opens correct? Once that happens, cousins is a FA right? How can they trade someone that is a FA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 31, 2018 Share Posted January 31, 2018 Cool. I hope the Bills get Bridgewater. Is that still possible? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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