‘the Process’ = Fools Gold

[Bing Bong]

2 minutes ago, T-Bomb said:

 

Too many fans are looking to simply get a monkey off their backs, it could severely hamper the future. It's shortsighted.

"severely" is quite the overstatement.

[klos63]

4 minutes ago, T-Bomb said:

 

Too many fans are looking to simply get a monkey off their backs, it could severely hamper the future. It's shortsighted.

Making progress will hamper the future- that could be your life's motto.

[Lurker]

2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

ridiculous

The Process was never about tanking, like the Sabres.   It was about building a team culture of accountability and sell-lessness.   That's being accomplished whether they make the playoffs or not.    And in the long run, having meaningful games in December for the rookies like White, Dawkins, Milano and Jones may be of greater value than 2-3 earlier slots in the April lottery.

[Max Fischer]

You’re right, look at the Patriots, they win every year and look where it got them. 

[aristocrat]

we got a stud few players in last years draft. if the bills can do that again and sign a nice couple of free agents along with getting a qb somehow we're on the way to success

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Sadly, this season will be known more for the disaster it is 3-4 years down the road. The increasing number of excellent college players is slipping dramatically with each meaningless win in a Draft year where we’ve garnered so many high pics at such a great cost. ‘The Process’ is pure Fools Gold. We simply aren’t talented enough to be considered contending, and now we likely won’t be for a few more years either. QB, DE, DL, OL, RB & WR need upgrades and more than a few players played their last Home Game yesterday. Our wins this year were all unnecessarily close and gifted with multiple T/O’s and ridiculously long FG’s. Our losses? No T/Os and blown out of stadiums. 

Even if we somehow receive a holiday miracle to break the 17 year streak for one more hour, we’re in worse shape talent wise than we were before ‘the Process’ started shredding the roster. I’ll go on record as saying we won’t make the playoffs and the result of this tease will negatively impact the team for years to come.

 

Blashemy. What is the average number pick of the top 10 NFL QBs ?

[Max Fischer]

What they’re trying to say is, “winning is for losers.”

 

No doubt the same folks who are lamenting the wins are those who would call for McDermott to be fired if they lost 10+ games. 

[Malazan]

1 hour ago, T-Bomb said:

 

So the guy is trolling because what he says makes KoolAid drinkers/homers butthurt?

 

Uhm, no.

 

Even if we have a miracle one and done drought ending season, it's not worth the quality of talent we are watching slip away IMO.  We will not be getting a franchise QB in the 2018 draft, that is bad news for the future of the franchise.

 

So many Bills fans are so clueless....

 

 

Seems like he is trolling dims who think winning is bad by being a caricature of them...

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

25 minutes ago, klos63 said:

I find nothing meaningless about a playoff berth.

I don't believe he ever played a sport in his life.

[Bing Bong]

6 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said:

 

Seems like he is trolling dims who think winning is bad by being a caricature of them...

Well everyone knows NFC wins are bad.. Stupid tiebreaker rules.

[T-Bomb]

4 minutes ago, horned dogs said:

I don't believe he ever played a sport in his life.

 

And no sport you have ever played has anything to do with the Buffalo Bills or the NFL, I guarantee it.

[Bill_with_it]

I disagree. We see what talented yet undisciplined and lacking in work ethic contributed to the team in years past.

This year is about building a foundation for the future. You dont build a foundation by showing your team its ok to lose. That plants a seed of bad habit; something that hes worked so hard to get rid of.

We might not win another game, but we shouldnt lose on purpose; thats unprofessional, lazy, and would destroy the foundation of this team whos searching for an identity.

[Starr Almighty]

Why cant making the playoffs benefit the Bills? Free agents may see the change in culture, new ownership, new front office and be interested as a potential spot to sign. I am sure over the years a guy or two said to his agent I don't want to sign with them they haven't made the postseason since 1999. Also Aaron Rodgers was picked 24th. We don't have a clue on how the draft will play out

[BillnutinHouston]

With all due respect to the OP's post, I am comfortable with the process.  Completely comfortable.

[rochester rob]

While it is true that the college player pool is getting less talented than in years past, it is by no means totally defunct of some fine players. There exists on this forum a number of people who will tell you that there are franchise quarterbacks,but only at the very top of the draft. I am sure there are team personnel guys who would like to know who these guaranteed franchise men are. It seems every year that the can't miss guys-do. Part of the process is to get those that will work in whatever system is being preached. I do not agree with all this front office has done and doubt I ever will agree  with everything. . As long as we have a winning team I will enjoy it for that particular season. Although I don't post much and joined this forum under different name before the current 2001, I remember it as being much better than a place to call out morons and idiots. Back in the days of Bob Lamb and 89 (Cindy) and many others ,we could express points and discuss without all the look at me- I am the best poster -I know more than anyone else attitudes. Sadly I miss those days. As long as I am a bills fan I refuse to give up that hope that someday we will get back to being better than just good. I got through several good times in the sixties and a bunch more in the nineties. Here is to the future. Go bills and yes trust the process (for now)

Edited December 19, 2017 by rochester rob

[Nihilarian]

4 hours ago, Bangarang said:

You don’t need top picks to find talented players

 

See: White, Tre’Davious 

This is exactly right.  See NE and since 2001 the team has had only one 9-7 season while missing the playoffs only once in all that time! 

 

While you may not get that super elite player like Bruce Smith right away because you don't have a top 5 pick in the draft. You can still find the Freddy Jacksons as a walk-on or a Kyle Williams later in the draft. Judging by the first few picks under McD I'm not overly worried about finding the talent as I am about this teams scout finding that franchise QB who can lead the team to a SB. 

 

I trust McD to get it right. Now to beat New England! 

[John from Riverside]

Yeah I really hate this winning record

 

The process sucks

[nucci]

8 minutes ago, John from Hemet said:

Yeah I really hate this winning record

 

The process sucks

and who wants to make the playoffs? It will only ruin our draft spot.....and isn't that more important?

[T-Bomb]

12 minutes ago, rochester rob said:

While it is true that the college player pool is getting less talented than in years past, it is by no means totally defunct of some fine players. There exists on this forum a number of people who will tell you that there are franchise quarterbacks,but only at the very top of the draft. I am sure there are team personnel guys who would like to know who these guaranteed franchise men are. It seems every year that the can't miss guys-do. Part of the process is to get those that will work in whatever system is being preached. I do not agree with all this front office has done and doubt I ever will agree  with everything. . As long as we have a winning team I will enjoy it for that particular season. Although I don't post much and joined this forum under different name before the current 2001, I remember it as being much better than a place to call out morons and idiots. Back in the days of Bob Lamb and 89 (Cindy) and many others ,we could express points and discuss without all the look at me- I am the best poster -I know more than anyone else attitudes. Sadly I miss those days. As long as I am a bills fan I refuse to give up that hope that someday we will get back to being better than just good. I got through several good times in the sixties and a bunch more in the nineties. Here is to the future. Go bills and yes trust the process (for now)

 

I'm glad you don't post much because your grammar and punctuation are absolutely brutal.

[BuffaloBillyG]

3 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

Lighten up Francis. Nice job of completely missing the point.

 

I never said McBeane won't completely avoid UFA. They're just not going to be huge spenders there and will likely save cap room for existing players and low to moderate UFA types like Hyde, Poyer, and Haushka. It would not completely shock me to see them sign 2-3 guys in the range of those deals next March. They'll have some cap room and there's really no one from the 2013, 2014, and 2015 drafts to re-sign. 

 

it doesn't take away that this roster is lacking in play-makers and you're not going to find those types with low to moderate UFAs and rookies.  This is a roster getting older (Incognito, Wood, McCoy, Alexander, and Kyle) that still is without a definite starting QB in 2018.

 

Teams aren't winning with "the process." Because, no matter how hard the coaching staff works to prepare for game-day, it's talent that wins out. And Buffalo's is aging, quite pedestrian, and "the process" isn't going to surprise anyone next year. That is, unless McBeane find their QB of the future this April and add some pieces to the defensive front 7, the right side of the OL, and at WR.

Whoa...you quoted an old Bill Murray line. You must know what you're talking about. 

 

Ironic that you blast me for missing points when you missed mine. I'm well aware of what the roster looks like. Yup, old. No playmakers. Gotcha. Tons of holes to fill. Yup. What I'm saying is you have no clue what is going to happen in FA. Neither do I. They could dink and dunk some less expensive guys....or they could go all in for a Cousins, some oline help or even some front 7 help. Could be a mix of all.

 

As far as teams not winning with the process...no team wins by accident in this league (except appearently the Bills). Not every team has a name for it, but teams that sustain winning have a plan, a procedure a...ummmm...."process" to how they accomplish it. 

 

And I agree that team's win with talent, however talent isn't all encompassing. Because someone has skill doesn't mean they fit. Yea, Hauschka, Poyer, Hyde were all considered "mid to lower tier" guys. But I'd be fine with them signing players that fit the system, play smart and can flourish in our systems rather than fork out the big bucks because of what it says on the back of someone's jersey. Give me an EJ Gaines (when healthy) over 20 Richard Sherman's.

[nucci]

47 minutes ago, T-Bomb said:

 

Too many fans are looking to simply get a monkey off their backs, it could severely hamper the future. It's shortsighted.

How does making the playoffs hurt the future? That doesn't make sense. Yes, I want to make the playoffs. I remember the excitement leading up to the playoffs. it's a lot of fun and that's what we're here for. To have fun watching our team win. Let the FO worry about the future

[vorpma]

3 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Let’s discuss this.

The Process includes drafting players who were 3 or 4 year starters in college, with Captaincy and Conference recognition. Factual, right? 

The Process includes ridding the team of highly compensated prima donnas who -in coach’s mind, lack a gritty work ethic. Factual, right?

The Process includes bringing high-motor jags in to substitute regularly and play ST’s. Factual, right?

 

So, is it just ‘opinion’ that McDermott wouldn’t have wanted Shady McCoy -with his racial tantrums, prima-drama-‘tude and off field disgressions on his team? If you think he would, you’re not understanding ‘the Process’. Is it just ‘opinion’ that McDermott would forsake a trade for Big Ben, given his past promiscuity? The Process says yes to it. The problem with ‘the Process’ is how great players who fit these descriptions dominate games, lead to many victories and they can be found on every contending team. It typically is motivation for their stellar play, Process notwithstanding. 

In short, 53 choir boys enraptured by a Process don’t achieve greatness. History says so.

 

please share your factual information.

Congratulations, you win for the most ridiculous post ever! Are you new to the NFL?

[Patrick Duffy]

I just want to see the Bills in the playoffs one more time before I die.

Edited December 19, 2017 by Patrick_Duffy

[BeginnersMind]

4 hours ago, billsfan11 said:

Yep. Seattle built the majority of their core through Mid round picks

 

New England has done okay picking from 30-32 for two decades. 

[T-Bomb]

2 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

New England has done okay picking from 30-32 for two decades. 

 

They get all the slow white guys.

[BillsFan130]

26 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

New England has done okay picking from 30-32 for two decades. 

Yes that's very true 

[MJS]

Let's do what the Browns have been doing for the past few years. It is clearly working for them.

[reddogblitz]

4 hours ago, joesixpack said:

 

AND when was the last time the Bills were playing meaningful football heading into week 16?

 

 

 

2014

[EasternOHBillsFan]

5 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Sadly, this season will be known more for the disaster it is 3-4 years down the road. The increasing number of excellent college players is slipping dramatically with each meaningless win in a Draft year where we’ve garnered so many high pics at such a great cost. ‘The Process’ is pure Fools Gold. We simply aren’t talented enough to be considered contending, and now we likely won’t be for a few more years either. QB, DE, DL, OL, RB & WR need upgrades and more than a few players played their last Home Game yesterday. Our wins this year were all unnecessarily close and gifted with multiple T/O’s and ridiculously long FG’s. Our losses? No T/Os and blown out of stadiums. 

Even if we somehow receive a holiday miracle to break the 17 year streak for one more hour, we’re in worse shape talent wise than we were before ‘the Process’ started shredding the roster. I’ll go on record as saying we won’t make the playoffs and the result of this tease will negatively impact the team for years to come.

 

I'll go on the record and say you are flat out wrong. I'll go on the record that the Bills are MILES better than the Sabres at this point BECAUSE THEY ARE INSTILLING ACCOUNTABILITY, PRIDE AND A WINNING ATTITUDE. Just like in the military, you can have the fanciest weaponry and the most advanced ships, however if you are riddled with poor motivation, lackadaisical attitudes and a getting a paycheck kind of mentality, you're fodder.

 

For your information, we were only "blown out of stadiums" ONE TIME this season with an experienced starter at QB, and the other one doesn't count. Whatever beef you have with Beane and McDermott, it is really on full display. I mean, do you SERIOUSLY think that our draft was that bad with the picks we had last season? Your whole post massively discounts the undercurrent of WINNING we have established. You sound as if Tom Donahoe is still the GM.

Edited December 19, 2017 by EasternOHBillsFan

[CLTbills]

Go be a patriots fan, you fool.

[Roundybout]

10 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

2014

 

strangely, I was there both times we went 8-6. I need to go to games more often. 

[BigBuff423]

4 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

I enjoy the banter here. Of course it’s a polarizing topic. The new administration chose to jettison great players, while replacing them with likely one year guys. How many of you think the Ram CB & Eagle WR will be here next year? How many think Glenn, Kyle, Tyrod, Miller, LoAl and even Hughes, Wood, Incognito will be retained? That’s pretty much every Bill with a PB under their belt who hadn’t already been shown the door? I really have no idea what ‘the Process’ means in terms of fielding specific players. I just don’t like the early returns. At all.

 

btw, I’m also trying to show new posters in particular how to write a thread and the importance of staying with it, be it taking shots and barbs or agreeing with others positions. 

Let the barrage continue.

 

I may not agree with your take regarding the Bills and “The Process”, but I whole-heartedly agree with the intent to model the ability to

have educated and contested debate without devolving into juvenile insults and childish antics.

[apuszczalowski]

6 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

....19 of the 22 starters for Steelers 2009 SB win were acquired through the draft.....

What rounds and what area? How many times have the Steelers drafted in the top 10 of the draft?

 

How come good teams stay good when they have to keep drafting at the end of the round?

[BillsVet]

2 hours ago, BigBuff423 said:

I may not agree with your take regarding the Bills and “The Process”, but I whole-heartedly agree with the intent to model the ability to

have educated and contested debate without devolving into juvenile insults and childish antics.

 

And predictably that is what this thread has devolved into. 

 

None of it takes away that Buffalo is an 8-6 team with 2 road games needing to win at least 1 and get help to make it as a 6 seed. Sure, a lot can change in the final 2 weeks, but watching this team now for 14 games I don't come away overly optimistic. The Bills are averaging 14 points scored and 14 points allowed per game over their last 4 (EDIT: in going 3-1. That's not going to continue unless their offensive production improves mightily).  

 

I would still like to see how this team improves from an 8-9 win team into a 11+ win team. That kind of leap isn't automatic, especially when key contributors are aging and you don't have many players opposing coordinators have to game plan for. 

Edited December 19, 2017 by BillsVet

[keepthefaith]

Anyone remember the '87 Bills?  Finished 7-8 in the strike year.  Looked pretty good down the stretch of the season and hurt their draft position in doing so when they had a lot of needs.  Learned how to win though and in '88 they were great. 

[Nick the Greek]

We are DOOMED! 

 

Chandler, thanks for pointing this out. This hot take definitely deserves a thread of its own. Keep up the good work. 

[njbuff]

This thread is a crock of sh/t.

 

It makes absolutely no difference where you pick in the draft as long as you pick players and your coaches can coach them up.

 

And you have to make smart pick ups in FA and the trade market.

 

While I am a Negative Nancy towards playing NE............... I do actually like the process going forward, as this organization will add more considerable talent and McDermott might learn a few things.

[BeginnersMind]

11 minutes ago, njbuff said:

This thread is a crock of sh/t.

 

It makes absolutely no difference where you pick in the draft as long as you pick players and your coaches can coach them up.

 

And you have to make smart pick ups in FA and the trade market.

 

While I am a Negative Nancy towards playing NE............... I do actually like the process going forward, as this organization will add more considerable talent and McDermott might learn a few things.

 

Exactly. Good teams win with good picks and a stable organization. 

 

Teams that pine away for top picks and tank don't win in the NFL. 

 

"Tank to win" 100% works in the NBA where the top picks almost always work out and are instant studs. 

 

In the NFL, the draft is far harder to predict. Good teams build a system that works and plug in the best players they know how within the salary cap. NE and Pitt never break the bank and never tank. Other consistent teams like the Eagles, Chiefs, Ravens, Seahawks, Chargers follow suit. 

 

For sure and 100%: QB matters and the Bills MUST find that QB. But picking 13 vs. picking 22 won't help. The top 2 are the studs. Everyone after that is a crapshoot. Jimmy Garapolo: 2nd round pick from a top organization. Alex Smith was half a bust until he got to KC, where better coaching made him pretty good (not great). 

Edited December 19, 2017 by BeginnersMind

[GreggTX]

Let me state clearly so there is no miunderstanding.You can not make a sound judgement on this process if:

 

1. You don't know the details which neither McD nor Beane is going to reveal publicly and...

2. You don't know how the 2018 offseason (ESPECIALLY the draft) turns out.

 

Also, why does everyone ovelook  the fact that this team is playing better with less talent? Also, we have some more cap space with Dareus gone and will have a LOT more the following year thanks to Marrone.

Edited December 19, 2017 by GreggTX
Typo

[atlbillsfan1975]

Not sure what I find more distasteful, the fact that the OP is a moderator of a Bills fan forum and he wants the Bills to lose. Or the fact that the OP is so arrogant that he needs to teach us how to construct a fan thread on a Bills board. Good for you. 

Remember the old days when moderators main task was to make sure people didn’t use profanity?