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[BuffaloRush]

2 minutes ago, Steptide said:

Maybe not, but I can tell you I'd prefer that over downtown Buffalo 

You know, I would too.  I just don't think it happens - Terry has too much invested downtown to build at a location that far away.  But we'll see

[runner68]

3 minutes ago, Steptide said:

Maybe not, but I can tell you I'd prefer that over downtown Buffalo 

100% wrong. I would never ever spend a weekend in Buffalo. Building a stadium downtown might be great for people aged 18-25, but anyone over 30 who lives outside buffalo would. Much rather avoid a down town stadium. I'm speaking of people from Rochester, Erie and Toronto. Not people who live out of state. 

Rochester,  Erie, and Toronto are the people that are targeted for that kind of weekend economy. And it’s a real thing. 

[DC Tom]

How about North Tonawanda,  in that wooded spot west of the Deerwood golf course? 

[Steptide]

5 minutes ago, runner68 said:

“I’m a fan of the Buffalo Bills, but I hate the City of Buffalo because I’m from Rochester and want to spend as little time there as possible.”  

 

Makes sense. 

You're missing the point. People who go to bills games that live in rochester arnt going to see the city, they're going to support their favorite team. If you've ever had to drive home after a bills game and you live outside Buffalo, you know how much it sucks. A stadium outside downtown makes more sense and I'd love it

Edited December 15, 2017 by Steptide

[runner68]

2 minutes ago, Steptide said:

You're missing the point. People who go to bills games that live in rochester arnt going to see the city, they're going to support their favorite team. If you've ever had to drive home after a bills game and you love outside Buffalo, you know how much it sucks. A stadium outside downtown makes more sense and I'd love it

It may make more sense for certain fans who live in Rochester. But it makes no sense for the fans from Buffalo, Toronto, or Erie. It also makes no sense for Buffalo’s economy which is why it shouldn’t be located there. And because it makes no sense for anything pertaining to Buffalo, it probably won’t happen. 

[Steptide]

6 minutes ago, runner68 said:

It may make more sense for certain fans who live in Rochester. But it makes no sense for the fans from Buffalo, Toronto, or Erie. It also makes no sense for Buffalo’s economy which is why it shouldn’t be located there. And because it makes no sense for anything pertaining to Buffalo, it probably won’t happen. 

I would just say be careful what you wish for. Downtown stadiums do not have near the tailgating experience that a stadium like New era has, and let's be honest, half the fun of going to a bills game is the tail gating. 

[4_kidd_4]

40 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

My inside source tells me they are most certainly not building it west of Buffalo.

 

Oh yeah? 

 

Two words....

 

Bills. Island.

[Steptide]

1 minute ago, runner68 said:

That’s not half the fun unless your underage and love throwing yourself into flaming tables. That’s the stuff Pegula and the NFL want to get rid of. Will that stop downtown? Most likely. That’s doesn’t means tailgating stops. That’s a myth that needs to stop being purpetuated by anti-downtown stadium people. Tailgating still exists in a Chicago, Cleveland, Pitt, and yes, Detroit. They just don’t do stupid crap that Bills fans do..what you think of as tailgating is not tailgating.. it’s drunken stupidity. Tailgating exists in all these places, in parking lots and closed city streets. Don’t act like it just magically disappears. 

You don't have to act like a drunken fool to enjoy tailgating. I was making the point that it's part of the fun/experience. 

[runner68]

13 minutes ago, Steptide said:

I would just say be careful what you wish for. Downtown stadiums do not have near the tailgating experience that a stadium like New era has, and let's be honest, half the fun of going to a bills game is the tail gating. 

That’s not half the fun unless you’re underage and love throwing yourself into flaming tables. That’s the stuff Pegula and the NFL want to get rid of. Will that stop downtown? Most likely. That’s doesn’t means tailgating stops. That’s a myth that needs to stop being purpetuated by anti-downtown stadium people. Tailgating still exists in a Chicago, Cleveland, Pitt, and yes, Detroit. They just don’t do stupid crap that Bills fans do..what you think of as tailgating is not tailgating.. it’s drunken stupidity. Tailgating exists in all these places, in parking lots and closed city streets. Don’t act like it just magically disappears. There’s no reason to be careful. I wish immensely for a downtown stadium so the idiocy stupidity before the games can come to an end. The rest of the NFL looks at us like we’re Neanderthals. 

Just now, Steptide said:

You don't have to act like a drunken fool to enjoy tailgating. I was making the point that it's part of the fun/experience. 

And it can still exist (and most likely will) and has been proven to exist in their cities with urban stadiums. 

[Fadingpain]

We can all ramble on about stadium talk forever.

 

The only immediately obvious thing, at least to me, is that it MUST be built in downtown Buffalo.

 

The current location out in OP is total BS.  If they aren't going to fix that mistake and put it downtown, don't bother building one.

 

 

[TheFunPolice]

South Newstead area

 

Lots of recent sales of open land and right down the 90 and 33 from the airport

[Jay_Fixit]

Information overload!

[PolishDave]

2 hours ago, runner68 said:

“I’m a fan of the Buffalo Bills, but I hate the City of Buffalo because I’m from Rochester and want to spend as little time there as possible.”  

 

Makes sense. 

 

Plus the city is mostly a craphole ghetto with people who don't care about their own neighborhoods at all.   Obviously some exceptions.   The city sucks and the people who run it suck.

19 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

South Newstead area

 

Lots of recent sales of open land and right down the 90 and 33 from the airport

 

Lots of land available in Lancaster/Alden area also.

 

Did the county repurpose the Erie County Home on Walden yet?   That is a big space with lots of room.   Right across from Erire County correctional facility.

 

Plus then they could take the inmates (a.k.a. players) from the game right back into their cells.   

Edited December 15, 2017 by PolishDave

[ColoradoBills]

29 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

We can all ramble on about stadium talk forever.

 

The only immediately obvious thing, at least to me, is that it MUST be built in downtown Buffalo.

 

The current location out in OP is total BS.  If they aren't going to fix that mistake and put it downtown, don't bother building one.

 

 

 

Don't know if you guys have seen this software site to place the new stadium.

It's pretty fun to play with.

It's a few years old but it looks like to Google Map is updated.

I can't get the site to save my spot, but it's close to the one that you open up to.

 

I searched the forums and couldn't find a thread with it.

 

https://19ideas.com/stadium/?id=1534

 

 

[KDIGGZ]

8 hours ago, Dunkirk Don said:

We are not trading for marcus peters  he is a bad teammate.  it is on the offensive side of the ball

Tyreek Hill is the only offensive player on the Chiefs worth a 2nd. Have you seen their offense lately?

[Mango]

1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said:

South Newstead area

 

Lots of recent sales of open land and right down the 90 and 33 from the airport

 

 

I made a point earlier abour seatching property sales and access to data. But I forgot a point. 

 

If this was in the works, a better and more efficient search is planning board meetings for the region. No way that “non-lazy millionaires” are purchasing 7 figures + worth of land without DEC recommendations and changing of zoning laws.

 

Your post for some reason actually lead to me thinking of the restaurant and business “purchases” mentioned. If this is happening on a large scale, areas would have to be rezoned. With the amount of traffic, businesses, density, and sheer size of this, there is no way that it is not mentioned at a town council meeting or planning board meeting. Any environmental testing, which would be necessary, would be made public as well. It’s just how things work.

 

Dopey Don mentioned the testing in his OP. The city is the only rumor with legs, because it’s the only location following standard practice across the nation. The township/county/state could declare eminent domain, but that is always dicey, and has a process of its own, would have started rolling,  and would have been picked up already. 

 

I don’t care how much money you have. You can’t just buy 1000 acres and say, “my land, I’m building a stadium.” And nobody trying to get major tax breaks/profit would do so haphazardly. 

 

Everything about this is total poop. 

 

You are poop Dumbkirk Dan

 

Sincerely,

 

somebody who knows what they are taking about 

 

EDIT: grammar-still might be a mess. Sent from phone 

Edited December 15, 2017 by Mango

[HansLanda]

This thread is making me not care that net neutrality got rolled back. 

[stevewin]

3 hours ago, DC Tom said:

How about North Tonawanda,  in that wooded spot west of the Deerwood golf course? 

Sadly the field behind Lancaster High School where The Dome was going to be built so many years ago is now developed.  Will cost Pegs extra cash to relocate those people to East Aurora

[DC Tom]

9 minutes ago, stevewin said:

Sadly the field behind Lancaster High School where The Dome was going to be built so many years ago is now developed.  Will cost Pegs extra cash to relocate those people to East Aurora

 

Or he can just start fracking and they'll leave in droves.

[Gugny]

6 hours ago, DC Tom said:

 

Or he can just start fracking and they'll leave in droves.

 

Please don't try to get around the bad word filter.

[PolishDave]

6 hours ago, Mango said:

 

 

I made a point earlier abour seatching property sales and access to data. But I forgot a point. 

 

If this was in the works, a better and more efficient search is planning board meetings for the region. No way that “non-lazy millionaires” are purchasing 7 figures + worth of land without DEC recommendations and changing of zoning laws.

 

Your post for some reason actually lead to me thinking of the restaurant and business “purchases” mentioned. If this is happening on a large scale, areas would have to be rezoned. With the amount of traffic, businesses, density, and sheer size of this, there is no way that it is not mentioned at a town council meeting or planning board meeting. Any environmental testing, which would be necessary, would be made public as well. It’s just how things work.

 

Dopey Don mentioned the testing in his OP. The city is the only rumor with legs, because it’s the only location following standard practice across the nation. The township/county/state could declare eminent domain, but that is always dicey, and has a process of its own, would have started rolling,  and would have been picked up already. 

 

I don’t care how much money you have. You can’t just buy 1000 acres and say, “my land, I’m building a stadium.” And nobody trying to get major tax breaks/profit would do so haphazardly. 

 

 

As was already mentioned, stadiums don't take 1,000's of acres city boy.    Charlotte takes 33 acres.    Dallas' massive site takes 80 acres.    Both of those are smaller than a typcial small family dairy farm in western NY.

 

There are literally many hundreds of clear sites that large inside Erie county on the outskirts of suburbs all around WNY including numerous places east of the city of Buffalo.

 

You must not get out of the city much. 

 

And what if this area they have in mind is already zoned commercial (like a large chunk of property bordering Walden avenue for miles heading through Cheektowaga, Depew and beyond)?   Or maybe its zoned agricultural but borders a commercial zone (like property adjacent to the commercial properties already on Walden)?   Spots like that likely won't be as difficult as you think to get rezoned.   

 

And I am sure the state is going to have its hand in and use its power in the location process for the stadium.    That is a bit different than some random little guy trying to get a piece of land rezoned in front of his local town zoning board.

[cd1]

21 hours ago, transient said:

 

I always thought the "P" in LAMP was for "post," but my anonymous source **cough**MattLauer**cough** assures me it's for "penis."

 

You mean like in Ha-Penis? 

[nkreed]

10 hours ago, 4_kidd_4 said:

 

Oh yeah? 

 

Two words....

 

Bills. Island.

I like it. Buy Navy island from the Canadians, build the stadium there, have a bridge from Canada and a bridge from US. Park in your respective countries take a tram to the island. Picturesque shots of Niagara Falls then up to the stadium.  It's a great idea, but impossible to pull off.

[Big Turk]

Move the stadium out to Lamvastwe so it will be close to home

[MarkAF43]

11 hours ago, DC Tom said:

How about North Tonawanda,  in that wooded spot west of the Deerwood golf course? 

 

 

I just bought that land, have Terry call me, we'll talk.

[xxxxxxxx]

If you fancy yourself an internet sleuth, with the capability to diagnose injuries based on twitter information, take the act somewhere else. No one cares.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, Gugny said:

9 hours ago, DC Tom said:

 

Or he can just start fracking and they'll leave in droves.

 

Please don't try to get around the bad word filter.

I thought that the Pegulas got out of the. Fracking business ?  

[Chadwick Bay Chad]

On 12/14/2017 at 6:47 AM, Dunkirk Don said:

I am amazed at the non believers. He is all over the place.  The sports world is very fluid. If you were following the Stanton situation everyone thought he would be on the west coast but he landed in New York happened at the last minute.  My source is not making decisions just is sharing what is being discussed. Don’t you think the redskins front office isn’t doing contigency thinking and what if scenarios around cousins?  What if we don’t sign him? What if we fanchise him again? Cost? What if will sign him to a long term deal? Cost is he worth the investment.  Don’t be naive.  Bills are parting ways with Taylor period.  Is peterman the answer? If yes, need experienced back up. If no then who? Cousins is their top pick, McDermott loves his commitment and preparation. If Washington franchise him then what? Vikings will have one or two qb available, are they the answers? If not then what.  Looking to kc. That how it works folks.   I am just passing on their current thought process and I am not saying with 100 percent certainty any of it comes true.  The bills don’t have any idea either what is going to happen either. On the stadium front, that news is accurate, the property been bought   Some people want 100percent certainty on every move, I have information that is accurate today but may change tomorrow,  we don’t make decisions for the redskins or the Vikings or kc.  This is called contigency planning.  Every organization does it so read the information or not.  If you don’t want inside information do not read my posts. The thought process will change based on circumstances and I am not being inconsistent just the thought process has changed based on the last domino. Make sense

The stadium is not being built downtown for the last time.  Pegula wants the Bills fans to enjoy the tailgating experience and you cannot do that downtown.  It will be open air the cost for a dome without state money is too prohibitive. I know has been reported that “Pegual is not even thinking about building a new stadium”is so ridiculous. You don’t believe my source but believe that non sense.  All bidders for bills when Wilson widow sold the team were told as a condition for the sale of the team the new owners had to built a new stadium within two years of current lease otherwise the league owners would reject their bid acceptance of their offer.  This is all public knowledge and cotsnined in the language of the deal.  Look it up on google if you don’t believe me. Therefore pegula has been studying location for the last two years.  People act like the man is Jed clampett and got his oil money by shooting at a rabbit . He is a brilliant businessman.   The land for the stadium has been bought and business will be developed around it.    I am fortune because my hunting buddy worked for the bills and still has friend at obd.  He is an investment banker tied to commercial real estate and is handling many of the transactions for the adjoining property and has allow me to make a small investment ( big to me).   I have no idea who his source is but he has been right 75% of the time.  The bills will not give up their second pick for the player in kc.  It will be a third and seven.

[HappyDays]

3 minutes ago, Dunkirk Don said:

The bills will not give up their second pick for the player in kc.  It will be a third and seven.

 

Maybe one of their offensive linemen?

[Chadwick Bay Chad]

Regardless of the outcome of the season, major changes in front office as McDermott solidifies his position in the organization.  Pegula is enamored with him.  Long term employees will be leaving.  Don’t believe when it is reported that they are retiring.  My source says this will be bunk.   They are being pushed out.  (Even the haters on this side will be happy.).  On a side note, I found humor in people, defining the word rift. I should have side they had words and Beane was angry. Because he gets beat up by the moron here about his moves and now he has to give away Glenn for peanuts.   FYI before the trade, they asked Darius to restructure contract to free up some more money for next year.  As I reported, bills want to be more active in free agent market and go after top tier free agents.  He refused and that was the last straw

[goldenboy81]

Thanks man for your time and the work you put into all this.Very interesting stuff you have talked about.

[Roundybout]

2 minutes ago, Dunkirk Don said:

Regardless of the outcome of the season, major changes in front office as McDermott solidifies his position in the organization.  Pegula is enamored with him.  Long term employees will be leaving.  Don’t believe when it is reported that they are retiring.  My source says this will be bunk.   They are being pushed out.  (Even the haters on this side will be happy.).  On a side note, I found humor in people, defining the word rift. I should have side they had words and Beane was angry. Because he gets beat up by the moron here about his moves and now he has to give away Glenn for peanuts.   FYI before the trade, they asked Darius to restructure contract to free up some more money for next year.  As I reported, bills want to be more active in free agent market and go after top tier free agents.  He refused and that was the last straw

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

Good bye, mr, khaki pants analytics department guy. We never knew ‘ye! 

 

[Roundybout]

Just now, joesixpack said:

 

That is such a good movie. 

[HappyDays]

Thank God they're getting rid of the lifers. Also the rift isn't a big deal. I've gotten in heated arguments with coworkers before, it is the nature of any stressful business. No hard feelings at the end of the day.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

10 minutes ago, Dunkirk Don said:

Regardless of the outcome of the season, major changes in front office as McDermott solidifies his position in the organization.  Pegula is enamored with him.  Long term employees will be leaving.  Don’t believe when it is reported that they are retiring.  My source says this will be bunk.   They are being pushed out.  (Even the haters on this side will be happy.).  On a side note, I found humor in people, defining the word rift. I should have side they had words and Beane was angry. Because he gets beat up by the moron here about his moves and now he has to give away Glenn for peanuts.   FYI before the trade, they asked Darius to restructure contract to free up some more money for next year.  As I reported, bills want to be more active in free agent market and go after top tier free agents.  He refused and that was the last straw

Ok, Pegula loves McDermott.  McDermott is changing the culture by jettisoning long term employees.  Beane and McDermott spar. Some posters, haters here, will be happy because some long time folks will be gone.  I'm not following you on "he gets beat up by the moron here".   While it sounds a bit like a line from a Pink Floyd song, who is "the moron here"?  Besides me, I mean.

Edited December 15, 2017 by leh-nerd skin-erd

[Malazan]

Why is there a Hot Topic and no Cold Topic? 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Dunkirk don killin' it.

 

Burying the haters under an avalanche of truth.

 

The Julian Assange of Bills news.

 

 

[Augie]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

Thank God they're getting rid of the lifers. Also the rift isn't a big deal. I've gotten in heated arguments with coworkers before, it is the nature of any stressful business. No hard feelings at the end of the day.

 

Yeah, if you don’t disagree from time to time, you don’t have enough thinking in the room. It happens, and it's no biggie as long as they can move on. Who wins the battle can be telling, though.