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[teef]

Just now, Coach Tuesday said:

 

To be clear dude - I'm not offended or insulted by you.  I just think you're a waste of oxygen and bandwidth, and that you contribute very little of value or substance to the community here.

yeah...you're offended.  you would have just glazed over my posts if it didn't bother you.  it obviously does.  you have thin skin, and that really isn't a good trait as you move into adulthood.

[HappyDays]

7 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Did they find you funny over at BBMB?  I kinda doubt it.  

 

Teef and ScottLaw were the Abbott and Costello of BBMB

[dave mcbride]

18 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

It was a three game stretch you cited.  The guy has been a starter for (parts of) now 7 seasons.  His last nearly complete season (with a decent running game backing him up), he was mediocre.  This is in line with his previous seasons. 

 

Clearly, this three game stretch was the anomaly of his career to this point.   In fact, the guy who replaced him in Minny has already, in 11 starts, put up nearly a whole season of Bradford yards and TDs with half  of the turnovers.  So he must be playing like an elite QB as well...

I fundamentally disagree with your premise and think you're basically espousing a narrative of permanent stasis with regard to the player we're discussing. He wouldn't be the first highly talented QB to improve over time; the list of such qbs who became better over time is quite long (e.g., Steve Young, another extremely accurate QB, is the most famous example). It takes a while to learn to deal with the complexity and speed of NFL defenses. Bradford always had the potential (no one ever doubted his talent). Injuries took their toll, however.  Indeed, 2013 looked like the year he would turn the corner because he was playing very well for St. Louis. But he was knocked out for the season during game seven. If you recall it, his progress that year was a relatively major topic of discussion across the league. He missed all of 2014 too (knee again). But there is a reason that both Philly and Minnesota traded first round picks for him: extreme talent, which has been on display lately. Both of those organizations understand QBs better than you or I.

 

 

Edited December 14, 2017 by dave mcbride

[Hapless Bills Fan]

40 minutes ago, zow2 said:

I'd say F- everything else and go get Cousins.  He wants nothing to do with DC after this season.  He got jerked around too much by Bruce Allen.  If Cousins becomes unattainable then move up to get one of the college guys.  I'd stay away from Bradford, A. Smith, etc,,,

 

You had me up until "If cousins...then move up".  Change it to "whether or not Cousins is attainable, move up to get...."  and I'm in vehement agreement with you.

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

JasonLacanfoora   ✔@jasonlacanfoora

Sources in Dunkirk close to the @BuffaloBillsNFL confirm there may be infighting among some coaches/front office personnel and ground crews mostly relating to the removal of snow from New Era Stadium. Team has no comment at this time. Grounds Supervisor @StanleyWojachowski feels @MotherNature failed to give proper warning of accumulation totals and prevailing winds. Sideline tablets will now have a "quick link" to @AccuWeather for grounds crews and coaches alike. Biggest conflict between the sides relates to @StanleyWojachowski recommendation that players who are "inactive" should be equipped with Stihl leaf blowers and remove deep snow from yard lines. Sources in Dunkirk claim @CordyGlenn was opposed to this work unless he was furnished properly padded moon boots to protect feet. 

7:32am December 14, 2017

and I nearly skipped these last few pages thinking .... is it really work reading them?

[dave mcbride]

3 minutes ago, teef said:

yeah...you're offended.  you would have just glazed over my posts if it didn't bother you.  it obviously does.  you have thin skin, and that really isn't a good trait as you move into adulthood.

He's not offended; he's annoyed. I do agree with him that it's a pain in the neck to scroll through troll-like commentary in an otherwise good thread. 

[teef]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Teef and ScottLaw were the Abbott and Costello of BBMB

i never thought of being a team with scott!  i think we could make this work.  i could be the humor, and he could just continue being terrible.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

There have been threads discussing stadiums in Batavia for years.

True, but it was not part of DD's info until I mentioned it.  

 

[teef]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

He's not offended; he's annoyed. I do agree with him that it's a pain in the neck to scroll through troll-like commentary in an otherwise good thread. 

annoyed is a better word, but if you think the op started a good thread, i'm not sure what to tell you.  it's more funny than it is informative.  as i said, it's good for a jumping off point for discussion.  in terms of factual info, it's a complete dumpster fire.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

The winner of this fight will take on the winner of the Batavia Benny vs Cheektowaga Charlie....for the WNY Belt!!

I still can't believe I struck gold making up that name (or subconsciously remembering it from childhood) 

[dave mcbride]

2 minutes ago, teef said:

annoyed is a better word, but if you think the op started a good thread, i'm not sure what to tell you.  it's more funny than it is informative.  as i said, it's good for a jumping off point for discussion.  in terms of factual info, it's a complete dumpster fire.

Regardless of what one thinks of the original post, there are some good discussions going on here. When we're at page 38, you can pretty much say that a thread has taken on a life of its own independent of the OP (to an extent).

Edited December 14, 2017 by dave mcbride

[teef]

3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Regardless of what one thinks of the original post, there are some good discussions going on here.

there sure are david.  there sure are.

[Patrick Duffy]

lol

[Jay_Fixit]

I kinda want to feel offended about something now.

[Patrick Duffy]

All the anger....so much anger.

[Jay_Fixit]

3 minutes ago, teef said:

there sure are david.  there sure are.

Thank God you didn’t attack someone here.

 

Or did you?

[4_kidd_4]

2 minutes ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

All the anger....so much anger.

 

Innarnetz r srs bzns mane.

 

Maybe not anymore after today, but still.

[HappyDays]

13 minutes ago, teef said:

i never thought of being a team with scott!  i think we could make this work.  i could be the humor, and he could just continue being terrible.

 

[Mango]

On 12/12/2017 at 7:04 PM, Dunkirk Don said:

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Just in from my source, Taylor will start remainder of season regardless of win/ lose.  Bills will not cut Taylor but if attempt to trade him for another low round pick.  Cousins definitely in mix to be next year qb.  Ties to Buffalo confirmed.   New stadium will be built in 2021or 2022.  Location picked.  Do not buy the hype about land study.   Go to land purchases for last two years and you can determine location.  Also check to see minority investment owners you will will see ties to Buffalo area.   This property in  four years will be most valuable in western New York. Not just where the stadium will be built but surrounding areas. Check transactions and building permits for new restaurants and you will see connections

 

 

Dude, you want us to read through 6 months worth or property transactions for Erie County, pairing them with a map to see localization. Then pick out any shell corporations to see ties to WNY.  Because that is how these things work, including the Harbor Center. Large development is generally purchased as its own LLC, so in the event of something terrible going wrong, the land asset does not effect the Bills, Sabres, or other Pegula's fracking empire.  Should note that the Erie County Clerk records online, are only updated until July 2017. That means dig through the Buffalo news week after week.

 

So to summarize your asking us to take the better part of an entire day, to go through each real estate transaction, submit a request via FOIA to the City/County for any building permits issued in the last 6 months, and notice the buyers, because there are plans to build a new stadium around the same time as the lease at New Era runs out with the county. Got it! 

 

As somebody with a degree in Urban Planning, this would be a great undergrad project to give an early level planning class as an intro/experience into how city planning works internally. All pubic information is not easy to come by. Cities and counties are notorious for making these requests incredibly difficult, draining, and time consuming. So yes public record, no not just a good search. 

 

If I cared enough I could map this all out via GIS, and be able to pinpoint exactly what is happening.  It is also possible that this area is already an artery connected to an area of change currently, and is explainable via pattern. But I won't because your request is absolutely absurd, regardless of truth. 

[Chadwick Bay Chad]

2 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

 

Dude, you want us to read through 6 months worth or property transactions for Erie County, pairing them with a map to see localization. Then pick out any shell corporations to see ties to WNY.  Because that is how these things work, including the Harbor Center. Large development is generally purchased as its own LLC, so in the event of something terrible going wrong, the land asset does not effect the Bills, Sabres, or other Pegula's fracking empire.  Should note that the Erie County Clerk records online, are only updated until July 2017. That means dig through the Buffalo news week after week.

 

So to summarize your asking us to take the better part of an entire day, to go through each real estate transaction, submit a request via FOIA to the City/County for any building permits issued in the last 6 months, and notice the buyers, because there are plans to build a new stadium around the same time as the lease at New Era runs out with the county. Got it! 

 

As somebody with a degree in Urban Planning, this would be a great undergrad project to give an early level planning class as an intro/experience into how city planning works internally. All pubic information is not easy to come by. Cities and counties are notorious for making these requests incredibly difficult, draining, and time consuming. So yes public record, no not just a good search. 

 

If I cared enough I could map this all out via GIS, and be able to pinpoint exactly what is happening.  It is also possible that this area is already an artery connected to an area of change currently, and is explainable via pattern. But I won't because your request is absolutely absurd, regardless of truth. 

Millionnaires are not lazy.  I am investing but I.   did the work.  I gave you bread crumps 

[MarkAF43]

bread crumps? those sound terrible. I'll pass.

[Mango]

1 minute ago, Dunkirk Don said:

Millionnaires are not lazy.  I am investing but I.   did the work.  I gave you bread crumps 

 

 

Christ man. 

 

Cool, you have tons of money, and you are investing. Awesome. We appreciate your investment in our economy and infrastructure. If you are investing, you should do your due diligence, taking the steps I have above. Sounds like you did. Cool!

 

BUT- If you expect NFL fans on a message board to do this kind of research over a new stadium, that they are not directly investing in, with no monetary gain, and in their free time, you are out of your gourd. The FOIA process will take over a month on its own most likely. But sure, call me/us lazy, that is what it is. Get off your high horse and stop being a wiener. 

[CommonCents]

7 minutes ago, Dunkirk Don said:

Millionnaires are not lazy.  I am investing but I.   did the work.  I gave you bread crumps 

 

Donnie I heard rumors Kyle Williams will consider retirement after the season and the Bills will play the NFC North next season.

 

Can you confirm?

[Chadwick Bay Chad]

We are not trading for marcus peters  he is a bad teammate.  it is on the offensive side of the ball

[HappyDays]

9 minutes ago, Dunkirk Don said:

Millionnaires are not lazy. 

 

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

7 minutes ago, Dunkirk Don said:

We are not trading for marcus peters  he is a bad teammate.  it is on the offensive side of the ball

Skill guy or lineman?

[Jay_Fixit]

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Did they find you funny over at BBMB?  I kinda doubt it.  

Nobody found teef funny. Not one poster.

 

We actually referred to him as Kweef. Me and my gang of misfits. Boy did we laugh.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

20 minutes ago, MarkAF43 said:

bread crumps? those sound terrible. I'll pass.

too bad the little birdies ate them up while in need of food after a storm.

 

as to the typo   

18 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

 

Christ man. 

 

Cool, you have tons of money, and you are investing. Awesome. We appreciate your investment in our economy and infrastructure. If you are investing, you should do your due diligence, taking the steps I have above. Sounds like you did. Cool!

 

BUT- If you expect NFL fans on a message board to do this kind of research over a new stadium, that they are not directly investing in, with no monetary gain, and in their free time, you are out of your gourd. The FOIA process will take over a month on its own most likely. But sure, call me/us lazy, that is what it is. Get off your high horse and stop being a wiener. 

ITS a scam to get us to do his work for him!!!!!! 

 

[ddaryl]

25 minutes ago, Dunkirk Don said:

Millionnaires are not lazy.  I am investing but I.   did the work.  I gave you bread crumps 

 

 

well thats not true at all.. There are plenty who lucked into their wealth who are leaches just the same.  Not all poor people are lazy either

 

 

[Augie]

10 minutes ago, horned dogs said:

Skill guy or lineman?

That’s it, narrow things down! What conference did he play in in college? What number is he? Little clues like that.....

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

That’s it, narrow things down! What conference did he play in in college? What number is he? Little clues like that.....

And...I get no response

 

We know its not Kelcie, not Tyreek, Not Hunt.....Must be Spiller

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

To be clear dude - I'm not offended or insulted by you.  I just think you're a waste of oxygen and bandwidth, and that you contribute very little of value or substance to the community here.

 

 

hey look, up there, you see that "I'm better than you" on his high horse.

 

chill out man.

 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

I fundamentally disagree with your premise and think you're basically espousing a narrative of permanent stasis with regard to the player we're discussing. He wouldn't be the first highly talented QB to improve over time; the list of such qbs who became better over time is quite long (e.g., Steve Young, another extremely accurate QB, is the most famous example). It takes a while to learn to deal with the complexity and speed of NFL defenses. Bradford always had the potential (no one ever doubted his talent). Injuries took their toll, however.  Indeed, 2013 looked like the year he would turn the corner because he was playing very well for St. Louis. But he was knocked out for the season during game seven. If you recall it, his progress that year was a relatively major topic of discussion across the league. He missed all of 2014 too (knee again). But there is a reason that both Philly and Minnesota traded first round picks for him: extreme talent, which has been on display lately. Both of those organizations understand QBs better than you or I.

 

 

 

Fitzpatrick could pretty much show up on any the team that took him, learn the offense, and put up Bradford numbers.  Bradford has 80 NFL starts, and now he's finally learning the speed of the game?

 

Philly didn't trade a 1st for him.  But they did, after one season, spend a first on his replacement.(and traded up to do so). 

 

Minnesota blew a first round pick on Bradford, a player who had already blown out his ACL TWICE in order to replace their starting QB, who had just been lost for the season due to....a torn ACL!

 

That is beyond stupid.  I think I (and most others) "understand QBs" enough that we wouldn't have spent a first round pick to pick up a vet with a bad knee who has struggled to stay healthy.  And this wasn't a Rodgers or Brady or Big Ben (those are "extreme talents" at QB, by the way) they were rolling the dice on......

 

Edited December 14, 2017 by Mr. WEO

[Best Player Available]

2 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

I’l ask my wife and kids tonight, while at the dinner table, if they think I’m as much of a jerk as Coach Tuesday thinks I am.

 

Thanks, coach. Now I have a complex.

Wear it as a badge of pride. The dude and his perceived moral high ground and ability to project his opinion on other posters is all he is able to contribute. You can see his opinion of others and myself from yesterday littered throughout the thread. sad.

[TheFunPolice]

17 hours ago, Dunkirk Don said:

You ask why pegula says he is not thinking about building a stadium. Duh, the land price would be sky high.  Buy the land then make the announcement.  He is not stupid 

 

Makes sense, plus the people "in the know" have an incentive to keep quiet so that they can scoop adjacent land up cheap while it's just nondescript and empty fields.  Anything investment related always involves secrecy among a select few so that once the announcement is made your pieces are all in place to cash in.

 

Also why no more specific info can be given. Rich powerful people are getting their ducks in a row and they want only their select group to be able to take advantage. This type of opportunity to own land for pennies on the dollar right next to an unannounced new NFL stadium does not come around often.

 

Imagine the millions that these people will make. That will keep them very, very quiet. 

 

I am almost 100% sure I know where he is talking about. I have a close friend in the local development business who has hinted at this for a while now. Really, the secrecy is about keeping other rich people away, because ordinary people would just get outbid for the land anyway if they caught on. but why add to the cost? Thus it's tight lipped. 

 

 

Edited December 14, 2017 by TheFunPolice

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

If by "mediocre" you mean Bradford's 2016 with the Vikes (15 games), I'd like me a piece of mediocre like that: >70% completion percentage, >7 AY/A.
And no, in 2016 Bradford threw 20 TDs  5 INTs in 15 games. I can flex on 2983 yds and 18 TD (Keenum, 12 games)  being "nearly" 3877 yds and 20 TD (Bradford, 15 games), but um no, 7 INTs in 12 games is not "half" of 5 INTs in 15 games by any credible system of math.

 

 

The 14 ints were Bradfords Philly season--his other nearly full season, my bad.

 

You'd like that piece of mediocrity?  We already have it--TT.  His 2015 reads as well as Bradford's 2016:  3035 yards, 64%, 20TD/6INT, 8. YPA/A.

 

He had a "very good"...3 games.

[TheFunPolice]

Bradford is guaranteed to tear his knee up again, so no thanks. What's the point? 

[dave mcbride]

37 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Fitzpatrick could pretty much show up on any the team that took him, learn the offense, and put up Bradford numbers.  Bradford has 80 NFL starts, and now he's finally learning the speed of the game?

 

Philly didn't trade a 1st for him.  But they did, after one season, spend a first on his replacement.(and traded up to do so). 

 

Minnesota blew a first round pick on Bradford, a player who had already blown out his ACL TWICE in order to replace their starting QB, who had just been lost for the season due to....a torn ACL!

 

That is beyond stupid.  I think I (and most others) "understand QBs" enough that we wouldn't have spent a first round pick to pick up a vet with a bad knee who has struggled to stay healthy.  And this wasn't a Rodgers or Brady or Big Ben (those are "extreme talents" at QB, by the way) they were rolling the dice on......

 

To repeat, Bradford played very well for Minnesota by practically any available measure. That's not really in dispute.  I was in error about the Philly trade; they gave up a second rounder and Foles for Bradford and a fifth rounder (and then immediately guaranteed him $26 million).

We are going to continue to disagree, which I am fine with. Regardless, I think that comparing him with Fitzpatrick's career trajectory is fair. When healthy, Bradford has been a better player at every stage of his career. This is not to deny Fitzpatrick's good 2015 season (although he of course choked in the final game).  The one area they do compare in is the teams they've played for. All have been pretty deeply flawed until the 2017 Vikings. (The Fisher-era Rams were an especially flawed team. Who trades up (with the Bills, no less) to spend a high first on Tavon Austin??) Unfortunately for Bradford, he got hurt again. He's a better QB than Keenum, though, and if he had stayed healthy my guess is that the Vikings would be even better than 10-3 right now. 

Edited December 14, 2017 by dave mcbride

[BigDingus]

54 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

Nobody found teef funny. Not one poster.

 

We actually referred to him as Kweef. Me and my gang of misfits. Boy did we laugh.

 

Not true. I loved me some Teef. I'm old-school lovin' Teef. Don't you mess with my Teef!

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

To repeat, Bradford played very well for Minnesota by practically any available measure. That's not really in dispute.  I was in error about the Philly trade; they gave up a second rounder and Foles for Bradford and a fifth rounder (and then immediately guaranteed him $26 million).

We are going to continue to disagree, which I am fine with. Regardless, I think that comparing him with Fitzpatrick's career trajectory is fair. When healthy, Bradford has been a better player at every stage of his career. This is not to deny Fitzpatrick's good 2015 season (although he of course choked in the final game).  The one area they do compare in is the teams they've played for. All have been pretty deeply flawed until the 2017 Vikings. (The Fisher-era Rams were an especially flawed team. Who spends a high first on Tavon Austin??) Unfortunately for Bradford, he got hurt again. He's a better QB than Keenum, though, and if he had stayed healthy my guess is that the Vikings would be even better than 10-3 right now. 

 

It's not their trajectory that I compared, although both proved flat.  I was doubting the truth that "extremely talented"  QBs need this many years to figure out the speed of the NFL.  Fitz was modestly talented, but he could figure things out pretty quick.

 

What is Bradford proven that he is better than Keenum at?  He never throws for elite numbers of TDs and yards.  Keenum (35 starts) came off the bench and got them to 10-3 (8 wins).  How long did it take him to figure out the speed of the NFL.  How would Bradford gotten them more passing production than Keenum? 

 

This guy, healthy, has never been an elite QB or shown elite talent in the NFL.  Elite talent isn't a hot streak of a small handful of games.  It's just not.